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 2012-04-12 7:19 AM in reply to: #4144895 |
Master  2238    Dallas |  Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closedjdiis - 2012-04-11 10:49 PM It all seems to indicate it will be as hot as 2011. Gabriel is up for some fun.Happy Birthday Marcia! Ernesto, You running Texas IM loop brought back lots of emotions for me as a spectator too. I hope it's not as hot this year! |
| 2012-04-12 7:22 AM in reply to: #4142970 |
Master 1531  TORONTO | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Sammeg - 2012-04-11 9:57 AM dangremond - 2012-04-11 9:23 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 8:52 AM So what's the groups thoughts on a first time Marathon plan? I'm currently leaning towards the Hal Hidgon Novice 2 plan ( http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program  for MCM in the fall. It's basically 4 runs per week with one long and 1 tempo. It appeals to me because of the simplicity, I'm a real shiny object distractable kinda guy (Just ask Marcia or David )What other races do you have on your calendar prior to the Marathon. How many weeks until the marathon from today? I'm asking because I think (1) it's incredibly hard to train appropriately for HM and longer while also trying to focus on triathlon training (just my opinion) and (2) I think 4 days isn't enough. I think if you want to run a marathon you should begin working toward running 5 to 6 days a week (preferably 6)...all easy and then slide into an appropriate training plan that has a similar # of days of running. How much are you currently running per week (total miles, total days, how are the runs broken down)? Also, your training log is restricted to friends for viewing - no issues with that - but wondering if you'd open it up to the mentor group? Thanks for the feedback Mitch. My training for the last coupla months has been basically nil but I'm 25 weeks out from the race and was planning on building base back up over the next 6-7 weeks to begin the 18 week Marathon plan. I don't have alot of races on the calendar, Oly at the end of July, coupla summer sprints, an Oly the first week of September and that's it. I was figuring I'd folllow the 4 days per week plan through the summer(last oly of the season) and have 8 weeks prior to the race to add runs during the week. Been planning on adding the group to my logs as soon as I compile the list of peeps in the group
Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? |
| 2012-04-12 7:24 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed I had to work out of town yesterday, there goes work getting in the way of fun. I squeezed in a sprint brick between dinner and parents meeting for our oldest daughters soccer team. Both girls made the varsity team this year, oldest as a Junior number 2 as a Freshman (little competition issue at home, older daughter played JV as a Frosh, and didn't make varsity until Sophmore year). Bike 12.4 miles at 39:47 a little slow, but also very windy. Run 3.1 miles at 24:10. |
| 2012-04-12 7:58 AM in reply to: #4145137 |
Extreme Veteran 622 Dubai, United Arab Emirates | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed ernestov - 2012-04-12 7:19 AM jdiis - 2012-04-11 10:49 PM It all seems to indicate it will be as hot as 2011. Gabriel is up for some fun.Happy Birthday Marcia! Ernesto, You running Texas IM loop brought back lots of emotions for me as a spectator too.� I hope it's not as hot this year! Speaking of IMTX, they updates the maps. Run and bike are slightly different. |
| 2012-04-12 8:02 AM in reply to: #4145141 |
Master 3022 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed kimmax - 2012-04-12 8:22 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 9:57 AM dangremond - 2012-04-11 9:23 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 8:52 AM So what's the groups thoughts on a first time Marathon plan? I'm currently leaning towards the Hal Hidgon Novice 2 plan ( http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program for MCM in the fall. It's basically 4 runs per week with one long and 1 tempo. It appeals to me because of the simplicity, I'm a real shiny object distractable kinda guy (Just ask Marcia or David )What other races do you have on your calendar prior to the Marathon. How many weeks until the marathon from today? I'm asking because I think (1) it's incredibly hard to train appropriately for HM and longer while also trying to focus on triathlon training (just my opinion) and (2) I think 4 days isn't enough. I think if you want to run a marathon you should begin working toward running 5 to 6 days a week (preferably 6)...all easy and then slide into an appropriate training plan that has a similar # of days of running. How much are you currently running per week (total miles, total days, how are the runs broken down)? Also, your training log is restricted to friends for viewing - no issues with that - but wondering if you'd open it up to the mentor group? Thanks for the feedback Mitch. My training for the last coupla months has been basically nil but I'm 25 weeks out from the race and was planning on building base back up over the next 6-7 weeks to begin the 18 week Marathon plan. I don't have alot of races on the calendar, Oly at the end of July, coupla summer sprints, an Oly the first week of September and that's it. I was figuring I'd folllow the 4 days per week plan through the summer(last oly of the season) and have 8 weeks prior to the race to add runs during the week. Been planning on adding the group to my logs as soon as I compile the list of peeps in the group
Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? I think Ernesto will chime in here, but I believe it is a recovery issue. A lot of training thinking is that you should never have a training run longer than 2.5 hours to 3 hours (depending on who you read - and depending on how fast you run). I haven't run a full mary yet - hope to this fall - but hear that the recovery from 26 miles is long and that the run has a significant impact on the body. |
| 2012-04-12 8:07 AM in reply to: #4145141 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed kimmax - 2012-04-12 7:22 AM Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? My understanding is that any gains from training over 20 miles are outweighed by the risk of injury and extended recovery time. The risk of injury goes up substantially after that distance. I'm sure someone, somewhere has plotted this out on a graph showing at what point during long training runs people have sustained injuries. |
| 2012-04-12 9:05 AM in reply to: #4145233 |
Veteran 445 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Climbinggonzo - 2012-04-12 8:07 AM kimmax - 2012-04-12 7:22 AM Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? My understanding is that any gains from training over 20 miles are outweighed by the risk of injury and extended recovery time. The risk of injury goes up substantially after that distance. I'm sure someone, somewhere has plotted this out on a graph showing at what point during long training runs people have sustained injuries.
Ditto on this Marcia & Happy belated birthday! You wouldn't think the extra measly 4,5 or 6 miles would make that much of a difference but it does. To me, it's not worth the extra risk of injury. |
| 2012-04-12 9:33 AM in reply to: #4145224 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed dangremond - 2012-04-12 8:02 AM kimmax - 2012-04-12 8:22 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 9:57 AM dangremond - 2012-04-11 9:23 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 8:52 AM So what's the groups thoughts on a first time Marathon plan? I'm currently leaning towards the Hal Hidgon Novice 2 plan ( http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program for MCM in the fall. It's basically 4 runs per week with one long and 1 tempo. It appeals to me because of the simplicity, I'm a real shiny object distractable kinda guy (Just ask Marcia or David )What other races do you have on your calendar prior to the Marathon. How many weeks until the marathon from today? I'm asking because I think (1) it's incredibly hard to train appropriately for HM and longer while also trying to focus on triathlon training (just my opinion) and (2) I think 4 days isn't enough. I think if you want to run a marathon you should begin working toward running 5 to 6 days a week (preferably 6)...all easy and then slide into an appropriate training plan that has a similar # of days of running. How much are you currently running per week (total miles, total days, how are the runs broken down)? Also, your training log is restricted to friends for viewing - no issues with that - but wondering if you'd open it up to the mentor group? Thanks for the feedback Mitch. My training for the last coupla months has been basically nil but I'm 25 weeks out from the race and was planning on building base back up over the next 6-7 weeks to begin the 18 week Marathon plan. I don't have alot of races on the calendar, Oly at the end of July, coupla summer sprints, an Oly the first week of September and that's it. I was figuring I'd folllow the 4 days per week plan through the summer(last oly of the season) and have 8 weeks prior to the race to add runs during the week. Been planning on adding the group to my logs as soon as I compile the list of peeps in the group
Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? I think Ernesto will chime in here, but I believe it is a recovery issue. A lot of training thinking is that you should never have a training run longer than 2.5 hours to 3 hours (depending on who you read - and depending on how fast you run). I haven't run a full mary yet - hope to this fall - but hear that the recovery from 26 miles is long and that the run has a significant impact on the body. So what are the ideal number of miles you want to put in per week to be capable of doing a Marathon? My longest run in this half of my life was the 15 mile race I did this winter, but those were not normal conditions or a normal course. That took about three days for me to recover.
Edited by JBacarella 2012-04-12 9:53 AM |
| 2012-04-12 10:09 AM in reply to: #4145233 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Climbinggonzo - 2012-04-12 8:07 AM That's exactly right. 20 miles or two and a half hours, whichever happens first (usually the time, unless you're really fast), anything over is just going to further the beating and make injuries more than possible, best case scenario a lot of recovery.kimmax - 2012-04-12 7:22 AM Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? My understanding is that any gains from training over 20 miles are outweighed by the risk of injury and extended recovery time. The risk of injury goes up substantially after that distance. I'm sure someone, somewhere has plotted this out on a graph showing at what point during long training runs people have sustained injuries. Running long is about creating the adaptations (musculo-skeletal type) to endure the marathon. It is futile to try to train your body to go past the "wall" because you will hit it regardless of fitness or training. The only way to minimize the effects of the wall on your body is to address nutrition properly from the moment the gun goes off. That way you will offset the effects of depletion of carbohydrates in your system (liver, blood and muscles). My longest run while training for Ironman Texas was sixteen miles, and I did just fine. Another approach becoming more of mainstream now is to go fourteen miles or so and then pick the pace up to a "hard" effort for the last two or three, simulating the race effect. That's what I did too. |
| 2012-04-12 10:22 AM in reply to: #4145529 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed JBacarella - 2012-04-12 9:33 AM
One way to think of a marathon time is marathon time = multiple x 10k time. This multiple is very negatively correlated with number of miles run per week. From http://www.hillrunner.com/jim2/id64.html, the average multiple is 30-35mpw: 5.5 40mpw: 5.0-5.3 55 mpw: 4.9 60 mpw: 4.75-4.85 70 mpw: 4.70-4.80 80-100 mpw: 4.55-4.65 So you can run a marathon training "only" 40 mpw, but if you do, expect to run it between 4:20 and 4:36 (based on your 52:10 10K time. Is that your PR?) Edited by chris2533 2012-04-12 10:39 AM |
| 2012-04-12 10:37 AM in reply to: #4145129 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed JBacarella - 2012-04-12 7:13 AM JoePetto - 2012-04-11 7:23 PM Heading to Auburn Hills, Michigan tomorrow to see my idol in concert (I'm from New Jersey - guess who that might be) with my three closest friends that I have known since I'm 9 years old. Keep up the training and see you guys in a couple of days. Joe enjoy the boss! The palace is a great concert venue. LOL Joe and Jim, I was thinking Bon Jovi. BTW Joe, to add to the concept that it is a small world concept, I was also born in New Jersey! |
| 2012-04-12 11:59 AM in reply to: #4142097 |
Expert 1255 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chapfallen - 2012-04-10 7:42 PM . . . Following on from a couple of weekends of long rides, I have a question for the group. For those with experience of a lot of long riding, how saddle sore is normal? I'm trying to decide if I should be looking for a new saddle. I've currently got the Adamo Road, which dealt with a number of problems that I had with saddles last year. However, the longer I ride on it, the more I realise that it's still quite uncomfortable. After cycling 60 miles on Friday, when I got on the bike on Sunday I actually felt like someone was stabbing me in my sit bones. And today (over 48 hours after finishing the last ride) I still have pain in the top of my left leg. If I was new to riding, or just getting used to the saddle I'd kind of expect that, but I've been on this saddle since June last year, and riding at least twice a week pretty consistently since November. Do I need to HTFU, or is it time to go shopping? Rachel, I went through these issues, not with quite as much pain as it sounds like you have. I switched to the Adamo Race saddle on my tri-bike which fixed a lot of my issues. When I recently got my new road bike, the saddle was pretty comfortable at first. Then it started to get a little uncomfortable. A friend suggested the Garneau neo-power bib shorts, my first pair of bibs. I will NEVER go back to other shorts. Lots of panels, very comfy. Now I wear them for all of my rides longer than about 30 miles. For me, I think it was mainly the shorts. They also make a non-bib version. I would also try foam rolling. Good luck. |
| 2012-04-12 12:51 PM in reply to: #4145141 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed kimmax - 2012-04-12 7:22 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 9:57 AM dangremond - 2012-04-11 9:23 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 8:52 AM So what's the groups thoughts on a first time Marathon plan? I'm currently leaning towards the Hal Hidgon Novice 2 plan ( http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program for MCM in the fall. It's basically 4 runs per week with one long and 1 tempo. It appeals to me because of the simplicity, I'm a real shiny object distractable kinda guy (Just ask Marcia or David )What other races do you have on your calendar prior to the Marathon. How many weeks until the marathon from today? I'm asking because I think (1) it's incredibly hard to train appropriately for HM and longer while also trying to focus on triathlon training (just my opinion) and (2) I think 4 days isn't enough. I think if you want to run a marathon you should begin working toward running 5 to 6 days a week (preferably 6)...all easy and then slide into an appropriate training plan that has a similar # of days of running. How much are you currently running per week (total miles, total days, how are the runs broken down)? Also, your training log is restricted to friends for viewing - no issues with that - but wondering if you'd open it up to the mentor group? Thanks for the feedback Mitch. My training for the last coupla months has been basically nil but I'm 25 weeks out from the race and was planning on building base back up over the next 6-7 weeks to begin the 18 week Marathon plan. I don't have alot of races on the calendar, Oly at the end of July, coupla summer sprints, an Oly the first week of September and that's it. I was figuring I'd folllow the 4 days per week plan through the summer(last oly of the season) and have 8 weeks prior to the race to add runs during the week. Been planning on adding the group to my logs as soon as I compile the list of peeps in the group
Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? Marcia, Happy Belated Birthday! Which Marathon are you planning on doing in October? Like Ted, I'm also enrolled for the Marine Corp Marathon in DC on October 28, anyone else? Regarding the plans not going over 20 miles, as Ernesto and others have explained to me before, it has to do with the concept of adding miles with diminishing returns (junk miles) and extending your risk of injuries. Last year I did my first HIM tri and then had only six weeks to switch to marathon training before the Chicago Marathon. I had a coach that believes in high volume and I ended up doing multiple long runs up to 24 miles. Short story, I was over trained and tired for the marathon, which was probably one of the factors why I missed my goal of finishing under 4 hours. |
| 2012-04-12 1:31 PM in reply to: #4145750 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chris2533 - 2012-04-12 10:22 AM JBacarella - 2012-04-12 9:33 AM One way to think of a marathon time is marathon time = multiple x 10k time. This multiple is very negatively correlated with number of miles run per week. From http://www.hillrunner.com/jim2/id64.html, the average multiple is 30-35mpw: 5.5 40mpw: 5.0-5.3 55 mpw: 4.9 60 mpw: 4.75-4.85 70 mpw: 4.70-4.80 80-100 mpw: 4.55-4.65 So you can run a marathon training "only" 40 mpw, but if you do, expect to run it between 4:20 and 4:36 (based on your 52:10 10K time. Is that your PR?)So what are the ideal number of miles you want to put in per week to be capable of doing a Marathon? My longest run in this half of my life was the 15 mile race I did this winter, but those were not normal conditions or a normal course. That took about three days for me to recover.
My PR is 49:52 for 10 k. I haven't seriously considered a marathon, but the discussion and my oldest was invited to an honors humanities program at Michigan State the day before the Lansing Marathon (which is the day after my birthday), coupled with this bizare thought of running it as a "present" to myself, got me thinking. I think the "present" is more me raging against the machine. Enough rambing thanks for the link. |
| 2012-04-12 1:34 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Veteran 419 clayton | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Wow - I just realised my first race is two weeks saturday!!! I have been so absorbed in fitting training plans into work schedules that I compeltely missed the end is near - best to start practicing transitions, me thinks! :-) C'mon, 4/28!! |
| 2012-04-12 1:38 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 5 mile runch today in 43:52. MAF-5 more of a recovery run. It must be Spring I saw my first runner on todays run. |
| 2012-04-12 2:22 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Okay...I have a question for the group. I have a sprint on Sunday and we are suppose to have 16-18 MPH winds with gusts up to 28MPH. I have already put my Wheelbuilder disk cover on my rear wheel and really do not want to take it off this close to the race. Does anyone think this is a bad idea or have experience with this? Thank you in advance! |
| 2012-04-12 2:40 PM in reply to: #4146734 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed mikar_68 - 2012-04-12 2:22 PM Okay...I have a question for the group. I have a sprint on Sunday and we are suppose to have 16-18 MPH winds with gusts up to 28MPH. I have already put my Wheelbuilder disk cover on my rear wheel and really do not want to take it off this close to the race. Does anyone think this is a bad idea or have experience with this? Thank you in advance! I would take the disk off. Winds like that will make a disk do funny things and it will act like a sail if you hit a stiff cross wind. A disk make your bike very hard to handle in heavy winds. |
| 2012-04-12 2:53 PM in reply to: #4146734 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed mikar_68 - 2012-04-12 2:22 PM Take it off.Okay...I have a question for the group. I have a sprint on Sunday and we are suppose to have 16-18 MPH winds with gusts up to 28MPH. I have already put my Wheelbuilder disk cover on my rear wheel and really do not want to take it off this close to the race. Does anyone think this is a bad idea or have experience with this? Thank you in advance! |
| 2012-04-12 3:12 PM in reply to: #4146841 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Thank you two for the quick response. My gut was telling me that, but my ambition was telling me different. I think I will put my other wheels on and use my aero helmet.
Thank you again. |
| 2012-04-12 3:24 PM in reply to: #4145750 |
Master 1609 Gold Coast Australia. | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chris2533 One way to think of a marathon time is marathon time = multiple x 10k time. This multiple is very negatively correlated with number of miles run per week. From http://www.hillrunner.com/jim2/id64.html, the average multiple is 30-35mpw: 5.5 40mpw: 5.0-5.3 55 mpw: 4.9 60 mpw: 4.75-4.85 70 mpw: 4.70-4.80 80-100 mpw: 4.55-4.65 So you can run a marathon training "only" 40 mpw, but if you do, expect to run it between 4:20 and 4:36 (based on your 52:10 10K time. Is that your PR?) This is really interesting. Clearly somebody putting 100 miles/wk has to be doing long runs back to back. If he/she runs 5x/wk it would be 20 mile run every day! Injuries? O course, it's just part of the game. Edited by markz 2012-04-12 3:35 PM |
| 2012-04-12 3:29 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed People running over 100 miles a week are running more than once a day. |
| 2012-04-12 3:44 PM in reply to: #4146956 |
Master 1609 Gold Coast Australia. | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chris2533 - 2012-04-12 3:29 PM People running over 100 miles a week are running more than once a day. Good point. I don't know how many kms Brent was running a week, as pro cyclist he was doing 800km + in Italian Alps every week with races on weekends. My point was - that's a bloody lot of miles that will get you injured!!! |
| 2012-04-12 3:45 PM in reply to: #4146897 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed mikar_68 - 2012-04-12 3:12 PM Thank you two for the quick response. My gut was telling me that, but my ambition was telling me different. I think I will put my other wheels on and use my aero helmet.
Thank you again. My instincts and my ego are constantly at odds. A personal good versus evil. |
| 2012-04-12 4:21 PM in reply to: #4146291 |
Master 1531 TORONTO | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed sirgab - 2012-04-12 1:51 PM I'm thinking of the Niagara International which covers both sides of the falls and is reputed as fast. I did the half before and it ends going downhill towards the falls in Canada. Sometimes weather (rainy) can suck though.kimmax - 2012-04-12 7:22 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 9:57 AM dangremond - 2012-04-11 9:23 AM Sammeg - 2012-04-11 8:52 AM So what's the groups thoughts on a first time Marathon plan? I'm currently leaning towards the Hal Hidgon Novice 2 plan ( http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program ) for MCM in the fall. It's basically 4 runs per week with one long and 1 tempo. It appeals to me because of the simplicity, I'm a real shiny object distractable kinda guy (Just ask Marcia or David )What other races do you have on your calendar prior to the Marathon. How many weeks until the marathon from today? I'm asking because I think (1) it's incredibly hard to train appropriately for HM and longer while also trying to focus on triathlon training (just my opinion) and (2) I think 4 days isn't enough. I think if you want to run a marathon you should begin working toward running 5 to 6 days a week (preferably 6)...all easy and then slide into an appropriate training plan that has a similar # of days of running. How much are you currently running per week (total miles, total days, how are the runs broken down)? Also, your training log is restricted to friends for viewing - no issues with that - but wondering if you'd open it up to the mentor group? Thanks for the feedback Mitch. My training for the last coupla months has been basically nil but I'm 25 weeks out from the race and was planning on building base back up over the next 6-7 weeks to begin the 18 week Marathon plan. I don't have alot of races on the calendar, Oly at the end of July, coupla summer sprints, an Oly the first week of September and that's it. I was figuring I'd folllow the 4 days per week plan through the summer(last oly of the season) and have 8 weeks prior to the race to add runs during the week. Been planning on adding the group to my logs as soon as I compile the list of peeps in the group
Like Ted I hope to run a marathon in October. My A race is a HIM in June and then I'll have roughly 17 weeks to plan. I'll likely do some other sprints/olympics but just for fun. I've looked at a lot of marathon plans and I never understand why they only take you to 20miles..? I get the theory that on race day you'll have that little extra oomphf (sp?) to go the distance but personally - not being a strong runner - I'd rather train right up to the distance than be unprepared. So as a question - what would be the harm if you were to train for a 50K race but run a marathon? Most 50k races have back-to-back long runs on Saturday and Sunday but otherwise... any issues? Marcia, Happy Belated Birthday! Which Marathon are you planning on doing in October? Like Ted, I'm also enrolled for the Marine Corp Marathon in DC on October 28, anyone else? Regarding the plans not going over 20 miles, as Ernesto and others have explained to me before, it has to do with the concept of adding miles with diminishing returns (junk miles) and extending your risk of injuries. Last year I did my first HIM tri and then had only six weeks to switch to marathon training before the Chicago Marathon. I had a coach that believes in high volume and I ended up doing multiple long runs up to 24 miles. Short story, I was over trained and tired for the marathon, which was probably one of the factors why I missed my goal of finishing under 4 hours. |
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