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Serious question! I'm running my first marathon this October. I've never run more than 14 miles before, but after the long runs my heels hurt so dang bad for the rest of the day and my ankle and heel flexibility is pretty low. I'm a heel striker. Is this something that just comes with being unconditioned to long runs or am I using the wrong pair of shoes?

Melissa - I would NOT try barefoot or minimalist running while you are a) injured, and b) ramping up for your first marathon. If you think your foot strike is the problem, re-read what Suzy said and follow her advice. She's a smart cookie. If you think your shoes are the problem, go and get fitted for new shoes at a running specialty store.

When you ramp up your mileage in marathon training, it takes your body time to adjust to all the pounding. Listen to your body and back off when you need to, no matter what the training plan says. I'd suggest not doing speed work while training for you first marathon, no matter what the training plan says. And run on soft surfaces whenever you can. Running on dirt trails or grass reduces the pounding and has the added benefit of forcing you to shorten your stride.

why do you hate fads? 

FYI, my gaite was analyzed by a professional and recommended it to me for ME.  I do not run barefoot now but it was inumberably helpful to me overcome my knee problems. 

John, those pix are hilarious!!

Congrats to the racers this weekend. Sounds like everyone had good days especially Kim with a 4th place AG, while stopping for character pix!

Serious question! I'm running my first marathon this October. I've never run more than 14 miles before, but after the long runs my heels hurt so dang bad for the rest of the day and my ankle and heel flexibility is pretty low. I'm a heel striker. Is this something that just comes with being unconditioned to long runs or am I using the wrong pair of shoes?

Just something simple to check, how old are your shoes?  I know when it's time to change shoes when my feet start hurting, they don't hurt for the first 300 - 400 miles of running, but then all of a sudden they get sore and I go check and I'm usually between those numbers when it starts.

9 Ball Diaries ......  but only because Cyclocross Season finally starts this weekend!  

Plus I get to finally meet you on Sunday AM and cheer Minnow on to yet another blazing fast PR.  I will be working at swim bag drop off and most likely will have my team cycling jacket on if it is as chilly as usual.  Make sure you say "Hi" in your state of nervousness!!!  

FYI, my gaite was analyzed by a professional and recommended it to me for ME.  I do not run barefoot now but it was inumberably helpful to me overcome my knee problems. 

Can I weight in on BF running?  I wanted to change my gait from a heel striker to a mid footer.  My heel strike was light, but still apparent when looking at the bottom of my shoes.  Under the guidance of a "professional" who had helped me in the past, I bought Newtons and began the process.  For me, DUMB.  Was injured within weeks of doing it.  Sometimes it's the simple things you try that can help you get into a better position.  For me, that was really working on improved turnover (e.g. cadence).  Do the measurement, see where you are and if you're off, work towards that 95+. 

I tried countless minimilast shoes and ended up with Cortanas (ask Kyla!).  They have a low heel to toe (4mm), but they are more stable than Kinvaras, Fasttwitch and so many other models/brands out there.  I just couldn't get away with less support.

I don't have a problem with barefoot running. I don't think it's right for everyone and every situation. I think it would do more harm than good in Melissa's current situation (injured, first marathon).

You terp'ed it!!!

dino.  i'm trying to pick a fight with christina to keep her mind off IM.  please refrain from this inane banter. 

Sorry..... ANYBODY that would think that Barefoot running has any place in this sport is crazy!  

Is that better???

cool.  question.. how did your mileage change, if at all, based on this professional's recommendation

also, what kind of professional.   

also, because you were cured, which is awesome, doesn't mean minimalist running and barefoot running are not fads.  bearing in mind, of course that these are hardly interchangeable terms... most folks running around in vff's or the like tend to forget this.

Melissa- I used to be a big heel striker and usually delevoped pain in my knee bc of it.  I eventually modified my gaite with the help of barefoot running.  Like David, I think a shoe with less of a heel is also beneficial.

? for the MG, what's your favorite motivational sports movie? Need something good for relaxing on Saturday.  So far my list of possibilities include Breaking Away, Run Fatboy Run, Chariots of Fire, and Saint Ralph. Other ideas?

Original injury was after running the MCM. Could not walk for weeks without knee pain.  When I started up again I wanted to do so slowly.  Max I barefoot ran was 1 mile/week with low weekly mileage (~9-12 mpw) bc of another injury.

Irene Davis of "Born to Run".  I had less than zero desire to run barefoot but 1. her data presented was highly convincing in relation to my running history, 2. my video analysis was highly convincing and 3. I only did so sparingly to help me change my gait.  I have not run barefoot since succeeding in altering my gait to a midfoot strike.

Fad?  I can see why you say that but I view it as a tool to be used when necessary.

I should have worded my response differently but I ony mentioned what I experienced as someone who was a severe heel striker, not what I recommended for Melissa.  Too many missing pieces to diagnose.  

Anyway... you wanna fight?  Anytime.  Anywhere.  ha!

Now back to those movie recommendations?????

is their a running clip in a movie better than this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEbz6kvnQDA

Just something simple to check, how old are your shoes?  I know when it's time to change shoes when my feet start hurting, they don't hurt for the first 300 - 400 miles of running, but then all of a sudden they get sore and I go check and I'm usually between those numbers when it starts.

Original injury was after running the MCM. Could not walk for weeks without knee pain.  When I started up again I wanted to do so slowly.  Max I barefoot ran was 1 mile/week with low weekly mileage (~9-12 mpw) bc of another injury.

Irene Davis of "Born to Run".  I had less than zero desire to run barefoot but 1. her data presented was highly convincing in relation to my running history, 2. my video analysis was highly convincing and 3. I only did so sparingly to help me change my gait.  I have not run barefoot since succeeding in altering my gait to a midfoot strike.

Fad?  I can see why you say that but I view it as a tool to be used when necessary.

I should have worded my response differently but I ony mentioned what I experienced as someone who was a severe heel striker, not what I recommended for Melissa.  Too many missing pieces to diagnose.  

Anyway... you wanna fight?  Anytime.  Anywhere.  ha!

Now back to those movie recommendations?????

Original injury was after running the MCM. Could not walk for weeks without knee pain.  When I started up again I wanted to do so slowly.  Max I barefoot ran was 1 mile/week with low weekly mileage (~9-12 mpw) bc of another injury.

Irene Davis of "Born to Run".  I had less than zero desire to run barefoot but 1. her data presented was highly convincing in relation to my running history, 2. my video analysis was highly convincing and 3. I only did so sparingly to help me change my gait.  I have not run barefoot since succeeding in altering my gait to a midfoot strike.

Fad?  I can see why you say that but I view it as a tool to be used when necessary.

I should have worded my response differently but I ony mentioned what I experienced as someone who was a severe heel striker, not what I recommended for Melissa.  Too many missing pieces to diagnose.  

Anyway... you wanna fight?  Anytime.  Anywhere.  ha!

Now back to those movie recommendations?????

irene davis told you barefoot running was ok..  thats cool.  when my tummy got fat willy wonka told me it was ok to eat chocolate.

:-)!!!!!!!!

i can't wait fight you one day!

ok serious business, movies... i like watching the old ironman races on dvd or youtube.  9ball deal dino mentioned was really cool.  the past couple of years wtc has been making these 10 minute or so videos about the races.  they release them within days of the race and i think they do one for racers and volunteers.   i'm biased but i think texas is the best one.  here   wisconsin 2010 here