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 2012-09-05 5:08 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Expert  670    metro west, MA |  Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closedSSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. Plan???? Survive. |
| 2012-09-05 5:50 AM in reply to: #4395263 |
Champion 7163  Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed kkcbelle - 2012-09-04 5:49 PM SSMinnow - 2012-09-04 11:03 AM gotta run - 2012-09-04 12:48 PM mighty mom - 2012-09-04 1:35 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-09-04 1:30 PM why do you hate fads? FYI, my gaite was analyzed by a professional and recommended it to me for ME. I do not run barefoot now but it was inumberably helpful to me overcome my knee problems. Can I weight in on BF running? I wanted to change my gait from a heel striker to a mid footer. My heel strike was light, but still apparent when looking at the bottom of my shoes. Under the guidance of a "professional" who had helped me in the past, I bought Newtons and began the process. For me, DUMB. Was injured within weeks of doing it. Sometimes it's the simple things you try that can help you get into a better position. For me, that was really working on improved turnover (e.g. cadence). Do the measurement, see where you are and if you're off, work towards that 95+. I tried countless minimilast shoes and ended up with Cortanas (ask Kyla!). They have a low heel to toe (4mm), but they are more stable than Kinvaras, Fasttwitch and so many other models/brands out there. I just couldn't get away with less support.
I don't have a problem with barefoot running. I don't think it's right for everyone and every situation. I think it would do more harm than good in Melissa's current situation (injured, first marathon). FWIW, I went from being more of a heel striker (albeit probably a "light" striker like Suzy) to being a mid-foot striker for sure. I just concentrated on it -- didn't change shoes at all. My calves felt it the first few times I did it, but gradually it fell into comfy place for me. Mostly I wear basic running shoes and have never paid attention to heel-to-toe drop. Recently when I was buying my daughter some running shoes I tried on a bunch of different kinds just for grins (didn't have my Superfeet inserts with me, so wasn't trying on for realz) -- tried usual 12mm drop, 8mm drop, and 6mm drop. I felt no difference trying 8mm drop shoes, but the 6mm drop felt a lot different. I'm anxious to go back with my inserts and potentially try a lower-drop shoe, although I have no desire to go minimalist. I think I like my cush and support. So far the Launch is the lightest shoe I've used (although my local store told me Brooks is not going to continue with the Launch, wah). CADENCE QUESTION: My "default" cadence is on the slower side, more like 85. Sometimes I concentrate on cadence and it is just so uncomfortable for me to run with that faster cadence. I have to concentrate on that 100% and nothing else. And even when I've stuck with it for a week or so for just basic, easy runs, it never feels comfortable or easier. I've had some "experts" tell me that cadence is what it is and don't freak out about it (especially in my case where I have no history of injury). And some people say that the faster cadence is a good start to getting better position, etc. So, I go back and forth concentrating on it. Most of the time these days I'll count my strides, realize it's slow, try to pick it up a bit, and then just say, "Awww, forget it," and go back to whatever my body defaults to. Should I keep trying to focus on this or just let it be?! The coach I work with would call this being lazy In my case, when I started I used to speed up to much and work too hard. The goal is to keep your RPE the same. I would check myself for a few minutes and then not think about it. Over time, it just got better. I would think is my stride short enough? if not, adjust and keep going. |
I should know, when I get tired and he and I are running together, he secretly checks it out and then tells me to work harder at it and I'm in the 90s. Personally, I think it is something worth fixing because it will a) make you faster and b) stave off injury. | 2012-09-05 6:06 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Expert 1038 Noosa | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 7:48 PMYoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. No racing here, GOOD LUCK IM MOOers!!!! |
| 2012-09-05 7:22 AM in reply to: #4395647 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed mighty mom - 2012-09-05 3:05 AM Christina--have you seen one of these nearby? http://www.redbox.com/locations/massachusettsfattyfatfat - 2012-09-04 10:03 PM mighty mom - 2012-09-04 2:56 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-09-04 1:42 PM mighty mom - 2012-09-04 1:35 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-09-04 1:30 PM why do you hate fads? FYI, my gaite was analyzed by a professional and recommended it to me for ME. I do not run barefoot now but it was inumberably helpful to me overcome my knee problems. cool. question.. how did your mileage change, if at all, based on this professional's recommendation also, what kind of professional. also, because you were cured, which is awesome, doesn't mean minimalist running and barefoot running are not fads. bearing in mind, of course that these are hardly interchangeable terms... most folks running around in vff's or the like tend to forget this. Original injury was after running the MCM. Could not walk for weeks without knee pain. When I started up again I wanted to do so slowly. Max I barefoot ran was 1 mile/week with low weekly mileage (~9-12 mpw) bc of another injury. Irene Davis of "Born to Run". I had less than zero desire to run barefoot but 1. her data presented was highly convincing in relation to my running history, 2. my video analysis was highly convincing and 3. I only did so sparingly to help me change my gait. I have not run barefoot since succeeding in altering my gait to a midfoot strike. Fad? I can see why you say that but I view it as a tool to be used when necessary. I should have worded my response differently but I ony mentioned what I experienced as someone who was a severe heel striker, not what I recommended for Melissa. Too many missing pieces to diagnose. Anyway... you wanna fight? Anytime. Anywhere. ha! Now back to those movie recommendations????? irene davis told you barefoot running was ok.. thats cool. when my tummy got fat willy wonka told me it was ok to eat chocolate. :-)!!!!!!!! i can't wait fight you one day! ok serious business, movies... i like watching the old ironman races on dvd or youtube. 9ball deal dino mentioned was really cool. the past couple of years wtc has been making these 10 minute or so videos about the races. they release them within days of the race and i think they do one for racers and volunteers. i'm biased but i think texas is the best one. here wisconsin 2010 here Ha! I'm a scientist. I go by the data. I also have enough experience in the field to know when someone has skewed the data. (They all have agendas! ) And if Willy Wonka showed me convincing data that eating chocolate would get rid of my tummy fat, well.... all I know is chocolate makes me happy and life is too short. I too love watching old IM races. Darn kids erased 2011 IMMoo for Toy Story. Grrr. Annoyed with myself too. I canceled my Netflix subscription 2 weeks ago and realized all the movie rental places are gone! Fingers crossed the library has something. |
| 2012-09-05 7:24 AM in reply to: #4395676 |
Master 1841 Sendai, Japan | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed copa2251 - 2012-09-05 9:06 AM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 7:48 PMYoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. No racing here, GOOD LUCK IM MOOers!!!!
X2. Best of luck MOO-people!! |
| 2012-09-05 8:10 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Master 1372 Tosa, WI | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 4:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. Big weekend for me. I will be on course at MOO at 5:30 am Sunday doing my what has become my yearly volunteering shift at swim bag drop-off, a.k.a. sitting in the catbird's seat, observing the crowd of nervousness before the swim start and patiently waiting for my pre-race hug from the Minnow. The electricity in that crowd cannot be described. LOVE IT!!! Then I plan on spending my day chasing peeps around the course, drinking a few adult beverages, screaming until I am hoarse, and ringing that cowbell until my wrist hurts. Christina, just ask Minnow, I show up at lots of different points during the race, I just might be around that next corner. Also, hoping I can squeeze into my Badger daughter's schedule for lunch or dinner at some point. So excited for all the Moo'ers!!! To all our racers this weekend ...... REPRESENT!! Oh, and the Cyclocross season also finally starts on Saturday. I might be a little excited for that also!! |
| 2012-09-05 9:05 AM in reply to: #4395672 |
Master 2501 | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 3:50 AM CADENCE QUESTION: My "default" cadence is on the slower side, more like 85. Sometimes I concentrate on cadence and it is just so uncomfortable for me to run with that faster cadence. I have to concentrate on that 100% and nothing else. And even when I've stuck with it for a week or so for just basic, easy runs, it never feels comfortable or easier. I've had some "experts" tell me that cadence is what it is and don't freak out about it (especially in my case where I have no history of injury). And some people say that the faster cadence is a good start to getting better position, etc. So, I go back and forth concentrating on it. Most of the time these days I'll count my strides, realize it's slow, try to pick it up a bit, and then just say, "Awww, forget it," and go back to whatever my body defaults to. Should I keep trying to focus on this or just let it be?! The coach I work with would call this being lazy In my case, when I started I used to speed up to much and work too hard. The goal is to keep your RPE the same. I would check myself for a few minutes and then not think about it. Over time, it just got better. I would think is my stride short enough? if not, adjust and keep going. Thanks for the feedback, Suzy. I'll keep working on it -- I think I do end up working harder when I think about it, and I usually work at it on recovery runs, so then I think, "well that defeats the purpose." Sometimes I think about it during the w/d of a tempo run or something. I feel like when I get the cadence at 90+ my stride is itt-bitty-choppy and not comfortable or natural for me at all. Over time that should improve, yes? Steve and I always marvel at how Ryan's gait/cadence stays the same no matter if he's running 11-minute miles on the trail with us, or 6-minute miles anywhere. It's truly a thing of beauty and I think, "Well, if Ryan can maintain that cadence at any speed..." I've been running a bunch on the trails lately, and I never pay attention to cadence there. I'm always looking for the next tree root or rock not to trip over. Ideally, should cadence be the same on trails or is it naturally a bit slower? Need I say more about racing this weekend??? TEAR IT UP IN WISCONSIN, PEEPS!!! Edited by kkcbelle 2012-09-05 9:06 AM |
| 2012-09-05 9:28 AM in reply to: #4395950 |
Master 2436 Apex, north carolina | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed kkcbelle - 2012-09-05 10:05 AM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 3:50 AM CADENCE QUESTION: My "default" cadence is on the slower side, more like 85. Sometimes I concentrate on cadence and it is just so uncomfortable for me to run with that faster cadence. I have to concentrate on that 100% and nothing else. And even when I've stuck with it for a week or so for just basic, easy runs, it never feels comfortable or easier. I've had some "experts" tell me that cadence is what it is and don't freak out about it (especially in my case where I have no history of injury). And some people say that the faster cadence is a good start to getting better position, etc. So, I go back and forth concentrating on it. Most of the time these days I'll count my strides, realize it's slow, try to pick it up a bit, and then just say, "Awww, forget it," and go back to whatever my body defaults to. Should I keep trying to focus on this or just let it be?! The coach I work with would call this being lazy In my case, when I started I used to speed up to much and work too hard. The goal is to keep your RPE the same. I would check myself for a few minutes and then not think about it. Over time, it just got better. I would think is my stride short enough? if not, adjust and keep going. Thanks for the feedback, Suzy. I'll keep working on it -- I think I do end up working harder when I think about it, and I usually work at it on recovery runs, so then I think, "well that defeats the purpose." Sometimes I think about it during the w/d of a tempo run or something. I feel like when I get the cadence at 90+ my stride is itt-bitty-choppy and not comfortable or natural for me at all. Over time that should improve, yes? Steve and I always marvel at how Ryan's gait/cadence stays the same no matter if he's running 11-minute miles on the trail with us, or 6-minute miles anywhere. It's truly a thing of beauty and I think, "Well, if Ryan can maintain that cadence at any speed..." I've been running a bunch on the trails lately, and I never pay attention to cadence there. I'm always looking for the next tree root or rock not to trip over. Ideally, should cadence be the same on trails or is it naturally a bit slower? Need I say more about racing this weekend??? TEAR IT UP IN WISCONSIN, PEEPS!!! That's a great question Kyla. I too have been doing mainly trail running and was wondering the same thing. Guess I need to focus more on the cadence. Darn, I thought that was only a bike problem of mine (I settle in around 80-85rpms and need to get it in the 90s). Just one more off season list of things to fix. GREAT LUCK IN WISCONSIN!!!!!!! |
| 2012-09-05 9:30 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Extreme Veteran 668 NW Georgia | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. Speaking of does ... deer season (archery) begins in Georgia this weekend. If only I could shoot like Brent... No racing for me. Next week is looking iffy right now as well, but we'll see. Good luck this weekend, Christina & Suzy! I'll be tracking y'all along with one of my friends from hs/college.
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| 2012-09-05 9:31 AM in reply to: #4123816 |
Master 2436 Apex, north carolina | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed I had an interesting discovery in the pool last night. I have always been a right side breather. And while that is still my most comfortable side I had much better balance with bi-lateral breathing than I've ever had. My theory is I've lost a lot of core and upper body strength and with that I lost my right side dominance so things balanced out in my weakness. Now to keep that and develop both sides at the same time. Who new? |
| 2012-09-05 11:04 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. GOOD LUCK IRONPEEPS!!!! CAN'T WAIT TO TRACK YOU!!!! AND GOOD LUCK TO OUR OTHER RACERS AS WELL!!! |
| 2012-09-05 11:05 AM in reply to: #4395642 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 4:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans.
Edited by SSMinnow 2012-09-06 5:20 AM |
| 2012-09-05 11:22 AM in reply to: #4394582 |
Regular 641 Chicago | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed gotta run - 2012-09-04 12:20 PM thanks for all of the insight, everyone! my heels are tight when I get up - I usually do some heels raises and drops before I head out for a run. I prefer to run in the mornings, but my heels don't seem to warm up until a bit later. I have found that foam rolling my calves has helped and also doing heel raises and drops throughout the day. I don't mind this day to day tightness/stiffness, it's just after these long 16, 18 mile runs that really seems to affect me and I will be hobbling around for a good while after. I only have about 250 miles on these shoes. my last pair - the same style - I got about 400 before they needed to be replaced. my shoes have a 8 mm drop. when I was fit for these shoes, I did have my gait analyzes in a neutral pair and the guy said I am a heel striker w/some over pronation. I also have a high arch. I know my cadence is slow, it's about in the 80-83 range. so would any of those factors contribute? I'm really not doing very much sped work, I have done anything with that since Racine, I don't think. I'm really just wondering if this is because I'm. it used to these distances and being on my feet for this long. I'm debating if after the marathons should work on a moremidfoot strike. I have never had problems with my heel strike u til now, so don't know if that's necessary.best of luck to Suzy and Christina in Madison! I'm so excited to be part of the IM experience. it will be my first time there - volunteering at run aid station 1 from 3-7. my favorite sports movies are Rudy and League of their Own. although, I like sports books a lot more. The Long Run,both the Runners World book of short stories and the Matt Long book, are my favorites.doxie - 2012-09-03 10:07 PM Serious question! I'm running my first marathon this October. I've never run more than 14 miles before, but after the long runs my heels hurt so dang bad for the rest of the day and my ankle and heel flexibility is pretty low. I'm a heel striker. Is this something that just comes with being unconditioned to long runs or am I using the wrong pair of shoes?
Melissa - I would NOT try barefoot or minimalist running while you are a) injured, and b) ramping up for your first marathon. If you think your foot strike is the problem, re-read what Suzy said and follow her advice. She's a smart cookie. If you think your shoes are the problem, go and get fitted for new shoes at a running specialty store. When you ramp up your mileage in marathon training, it takes your body time to adjust to all the pounding. Listen to your body and back off when you need to, no matter what the training plan says. I'd suggest not doing speed work while training for you first marathon, no matter what the training plan says. And run on soft surfaces whenever you can. Running on dirt trails or grass reduces the pounding and has the added benefit of forcing you to shorten your stride. |
| 2012-09-05 12:17 PM in reply to: #4396304 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed doxie - 2012-09-05 11:22 AM gotta run - 2012-09-04 12:20 PM thanks for all of the insight, everyone! my heels are tight when I get up - I usually do some heels raises and drops before I head out for a run. I prefer to run in the mornings, but my heels don't seem to warm up until a bit later. I have found that foam rolling my calves has helped and also doing heel raises and drops throughout the day. I don't mind this day to day tightness/stiffness, it's just after these long 16, 18 mile runs that really seems to affect me and I will be hobbling around for a good while after. I only have about 250 miles on these shoes. my last pair - the same style - I got about 400 before they needed to be replaced. my shoes have a 8 mm drop. when I was fit for these shoes, I did have my gait analyzes in a neutral pair and the guy said I am a heel striker w/some over pronation. I also have a high arch. I know my cadence is slow, it's about in the 80-83 range. so would any of those factors contribute? I'm really not doing very much sped work, I have done anything with that since Racine, I don't think. I'm really just wondering if this is because I'm. it used to these distances and being on my feet for this long. I'm debating if after the marathons should work on a moremidfoot strike. I have never had problems with my heel strike u til now, so don't know if that's necessary.best of luck to Suzy and Christina in Madison! I'm so excited to be part of the IM experience. it will be my first time there - volunteering at run aid station 1 from 3-7. my favorite sports movies are Rudy and League of their Own. although, I like sports books a lot more. The Long Run,both the Runners World book of short stories and the Matt Long book, are my favorites.doxie - 2012-09-03 10:07 PM Serious question! I'm running my first marathon this October. I've never run more than 14 miles before, but after the long runs my heels hurt so dang bad for the rest of the day and my ankle and heel flexibility is pretty low. I'm a heel striker. Is this something that just comes with being unconditioned to long runs or am I using the wrong pair of shoes?
Melissa - I would NOT try barefoot or minimalist running while you are a) injured, and b) ramping up for your first marathon. If you think your foot strike is the problem, re-read what Suzy said and follow her advice. She's a smart cookie. If you think your shoes are the problem, go and get fitted for new shoes at a running specialty store. When you ramp up your mileage in marathon training, it takes your body time to adjust to all the pounding. Listen to your body and back off when you need to, no matter what the training plan says. I'd suggest not doing speed work while training for you first marathon, no matter what the training plan says. And run on soft surfaces whenever you can. Running on dirt trails or grass reduces the pounding and has the added benefit of forcing you to shorten your stride. Where the heck is aid station 1 on the run course? |
| 2012-09-05 1:02 PM in reply to: #4396262 |
Expert 653 Henderson, NV | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed fattyfatfat - 2012-09-05 9:04 AM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. GOOD LUCK IRONPEEPS!!!! CAN'T WAIT TO TRACK YOU!!!! AND GOOD LUCK TO OUR OTHER RACERS AS WELL!!! Exciting weekend!! Good luck everyone!! |
| 2012-09-05 1:46 PM in reply to: #4123816 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Priority Registration for 2012 IRONMAN Canada Athletes
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| 2012-09-05 2:07 PM in reply to: #4396737 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed TrevorC - 2012-09-05 1:46 PM 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Priority Registration for 2012 IRONMAN Canada Athletes
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| 2012-09-05 2:42 PM in reply to: #4395642 |
Master 1497 Maryland | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. I am racing a Half Marathon this weekend and my plan has been to get to the starting line and have fun too. |
| 2012-09-05 3:05 PM in reply to: #4396917 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed Terps421 - 2012-09-05 3:42 PM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 5:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. I am racing a Half Marathon this weekend and my plan has been to get to the starting line and have fun too. AWESOME!!! |
| 2012-09-05 3:22 PM in reply to: #4396804 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 1:07 PM TrevorC - 2012-09-05 1:46 PM 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Priority Registration for 2012 IRONMAN Canada Athletes
And? Just funny. With all this Challenge/WTC crap going on, they are giving us priority registraton for Moo,AZ, and Florida for 2013. Michelle would SHOOT ME if signed up for any IM next year. |
| 2012-09-05 4:08 PM in reply to: #4123816 |
Master 2621 Almaden Valley, San Jose, California | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed I'm racing! Pacific Grove Oly, with Jeff and Zach. Zach's then hanging around and doing the Sprint on Sunday. Then we'll hurry home to track the Ladies of Moo!! Mom brag......this year's athlete's guide has last year's winners in it - Zach's famous!! He's going for a repeat! |
| 2012-09-05 4:21 PM in reply to: #4395642 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 2:48 AM Yoo-Hoo!!! It's time for those who are racing this weekend to get it together!!! I know of at least three does that will be getting it done! Who is else is stepping out? Give us a glimpse into your plans. Ah! It's finally here! Race week for our two Moo Girls! Christina- YOU GOT THIS! May positive thoughts give you energy and bring a sense of peace to your soul. Have confidence in your inner athlete and most of all have FUN out there as much as you can. Suzy- You know how I feel about this year for you! A is for animal. Amazing. Awesome! Linda- So excited for you racing this weekend. Long road back for both of us. Your positive attitude is inspirational! Go out there and have some fun. And kick some A.
Melissa- I do think the cadence is something that you can work on while training for this marathon. I am having a hard time lending any advice, because of my own issues with PF, but I really think I would not have been able to heal so quickly if I didn't maintain that 90 cadence and mid-foot strike. I am about an 88-92 no matter if I'm doing 9:30's or 7:00's. I like to check once every 30 minutes or so, especially if I am getting tired, it helps recharge or re-invigorate my legs to get them moving and I can sometimes tell just by the sound of my foot if it makes this slappy sound that I am getting "lazy", like Suzy!
eta: Linda N! Just saw that you are racing! GOOD LUCK! Have fun! Edited by kt65 2012-09-05 4:22 PM |
| 2012-09-05 5:21 PM in reply to: #4397016 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed TrevorC - 2012-09-05 3:22 PM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 1:07 PM TrevorC - 2012-09-05 1:46 PM 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Priority Registration for 2012 IRONMAN Canada Athletes
And? Just funny. With all this Challenge/WTC crap going on, they are giving us priority registraton for Moo,AZ, and Florida for 2013. Michelle would SHOOT ME if signed up for any IM next year. They gave out priority for MOO at Steelhead too to get more sign-ups. It makes me wonder how many active.com athletes will get in OR whether they wil let a sh$tload more people in now that we have a one loop swim. I took note you said that MICHELLE would kill you, NOT that you didn't want to. Can't get that by me! |
| 2012-09-05 6:59 PM in reply to: #4397157 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed velcromom - 2012-09-05 5:08 PM I'm racing! Pacific Grove Oly, with Jeff and Zach. Zach's then hanging around and doing the Sprint on Sunday. Then we'll hurry home to track the Ladies of Moo!! Mom brag......this year's athlete's guide has last year's winners in it - Zach's famous!! He's going for a repeat! good luck. awesome for zach! but lets have some details about yesterdays FB pics... mile high club???? GO JEFF!!!! |
| 2012-09-05 7:52 PM in reply to: #4395950 |
| Subject: RE: swbkrun mentor group 6 years running closed kkcbelle - 2012-09-05 10:05 AM SSMinnow - 2012-09-05 3:50 AM CADENCE QUESTION: My "default" cadence is on the slower side, more like 85. Sometimes I concentrate on cadence and it is just so uncomfortable for me to run with that faster cadence. I have to concentrate on that 100% and nothing else. And even when I've stuck with it for a week or so for just basic, easy runs, it never feels comfortable or easier. I've had some "experts" tell me that cadence is what it is and don't freak out about it (especially in my case where I have no history of injury). And some people say that the faster cadence is a good start to getting better position, etc. So, I go back and forth concentrating on it. Most of the time these days I'll count my strides, realize it's slow, try to pick it up a bit, and then just say, "Awww, forget it," and go back to whatever my body defaults to. Should I keep trying to focus on this or just let it be?! The coach I work with would call this being lazy In my case, when I started I used to speed up to much and work too hard. The goal is to keep your RPE the same. I would check myself for a few minutes and then not think about it. Over time, it just got better. I would think is my stride short enough? if not, adjust and keep going. Thanks for the feedback, Suzy. I'll keep working on it -- I think I do end up working harder when I think about it, and I usually work at it on recovery runs, so then I think, "well that defeats the purpose." Sometimes I think about it during the w/d of a tempo run or something. I feel like when I get the cadence at 90+ my stride is itt-bitty-choppy and not comfortable or natural for me at all. Over time that should improve, yes? Steve and I always marvel at how Ryan's gait/cadence stays the same no matter if he's running 11-minute miles on the trail with us, or 6-minute miles anywhere. It's truly a thing of beauty and I think, "Well, if Ryan can maintain that cadence at any speed..." I've been running a bunch on the trails lately, and I never pay attention to cadence there. I'm always looking for the next tree root or rock not to trip over. Ideally, should cadence be the same on trails or is it naturally a bit slower? Need I say more about racing this weekend??? TEAR IT UP IN WISCONSIN, PEEPS!!! I don't know the answer to that, but I think it makes sense to focus on increasing your cadence when you're not on trails and the higher turnover will carry over to your trail running. Also, I think trail running naturally causes you to shorten your stride, so even if your cadence isn't as high as it is on pavement you're not likely to be overstriding. |
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