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2015-09-23 8:36 AM
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Nice, Alan!!! Well done!!


2015-09-24 5:17 PM
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HELP slated for my last long bike ride tomorrow and weather calls for rain state wide! 80-90% from coast to mountains. I am not sure I can do 6 hours on trainer. just suck it up and ride in rain? I don't have a light I need this ride mentally. Leaving after ride for charlotte to run a HM sat as part of training.
2015-09-25 1:27 PM
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Hi. I've been around this forum for a while now, and have taken some valuable learning.
Got to admit, this is my first look at the mentor pages.
I was born in Burton on Trent, the home of British brewing, and actually took my first job at Bass - as a beer taster!!

My 'tipple' of preference is red wine now, I feel like I'm maturing like a fine one.

This is my first tri season, and I've completed 2 sprint Tri's . As a fairly late starter at 49 I've had an amazing year. Like many around this forum I wasn't a swimmer, but I am working hard, and in fairness I'm no runner either.

Target is to complete a half IM in Sept next year, and celebrate my half century.

This sport has been a life changing experience - and I still take wine!!

Do I qualify for the Society?
2015-09-25 1:48 PM
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6h indoor riding sounds tough -better get a bunch of good movies or tv series- but it may be tougher on the rain, but if temperature is not too bad, I would go fight the rain!

Juan
2015-09-25 1:51 PM
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Starting on tri-world, enjoy beer BUT now moved to red wine -very wise-, and wishing to celebrate next year birthday with a long distance.... Dave, we need this guy in the group! You may consider to change the name of the Society from BDAS to B&WDAS

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2015-09-25 1:58 PM
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Scott, rain sounds preferable to six hours on a trainer. Yuck. But maybe I have a bad attitude. :-)

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2015-09-25 2:03 PM
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Hey, I've been keeping up with everyone, just scattered in a few different directions. Sorry for not being super communicative, but I do enjoy hearing how you all are doing.

I'm back in the saddle again, literally. Had my final bike fitting/PT appt Monday and was cleared to start biking. Two 45 minute rides with no problems or pain. YAY! Unfortunately my less than 2 mile run yesterday did not yield the same results, so I'm needing to take today off. I'll be traveling over the weekend and only able to run/walk, so will see how that goes. If the pain persists then I know where the current problem is (even if initially caused by the bike fit) and will transition PT next week to focus on this. But it was sure nice to be back on the bike. :-)

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2015-09-25 3:00 PM
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Went for my ride outside in the rain. Planned to do 100 miles, staged water and extra sandwiches at my house for refuel. Everything was good until I stopped, about .25 mile from my house I got hit by a car. Asshole didn't even stop. I know they know they hit me because they slowed down then took off. Luckily it was next to a field with no ditch and I was able to drop it in the grass. Hit pretty hard but thanks to all the rain it wasn't too bad. Need new helmet, bent my rear wheel. I thought I was fine and since I work with the guys the ambulance gave me a ride home with my bike. I put on my trainer tire and figured I'd finish, but my right knee started hurting pretty bad. I think it's going to swell up so I am icing it. Guess I'll try again next Friday, we will see. Doing a malf marathon tomorrow and have a daddy daughter dance tonight.
2015-09-25 5:44 PM
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Oh Scott, so sorry to hear about that! Daddy/daughter dance is good consolation though. :-)
2015-09-25 10:40 PM
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I've been lurking but not posting....nice to see all of this activity still.

Good job on your races everyone... Gretchen, Scott, Alan and anyone I missed. I love reading the reports.

I have 3 races left this season. 10K, HM, & Marathon. Of course since the 10K is tomorrow I wake up with some killer knee pain. Went to bed fine, woke up in pain. It felt like pinched nerve pain though so I took Advil all day and iced it all day in work. It feels ok so GAME ON! No way I'm skipping out on the kilt run since that's the one that gives me free beer at the end. It's going to be a very beery day tomorrow. I'll have one for all of ya!

Following this weekend it's onto the final month of prep for the other two races.

Question for the masses So what do you do to try to keep your conditioning in the off season? I think I ran out of juice on my Oly because I wasn't trained up for THAT much work in one shot. This Marathon run I'm doing should really help with that. How do I keep that conditioning in the off season and swing it over into the tri world next year? What do you do? Any advice?

2015-09-25 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Shakeybear

Hi. I've been around this forum for a while now, and have taken some valuable learning.
Got to admit, this is my first look at the mentor pages.
I was born in Burton on Trent, the home of British brewing, and actually took my first job at Bass - as a beer taster!!

My 'tipple' of preference is red wine now, I feel like I'm maturing like a fine one.

This is my first tri season, and I've completed 2 sprint Tri's . As a fairly late starter at 49 I've had an amazing year. Like many around this forum I wasn't a swimmer, but I am working hard, and in fairness I'm no runner either.

Target is to complete a half IM in Sept next year, and celebrate my half century.

This sport has been a life changing experience - and I still take wine!!

Do I qualify for the Society?


Welcome! The more the merrier. I'd say to go back and read this whole forum from page one to learn everything I've learned so far in my first tri season but it would take forever. There are so many great ideas in here. Listen up...they know what they're talking about.

As far as wine is concerned, it's not my thing, but I know others are into it.

Dave We may need a CLP equivalent in the wine world. Perhaps Thunderbird?


2015-09-25 10:48 PM
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Went for my ride outside in the rain. Planned to do 100 miles, staged water and extra sandwiches at my house for refuel. Everything was good until I stopped, about .25 mile from my house I got hit by a car. didn't even stop. I know they know they hit me because they slowed down then took off. Luckily it was next to a field with no ditch and I was able to drop it in the grass. Hit pretty hard but thanks to all the rain it wasn't too bad. Need new helmet, bent my rear wheel. I thought I was fine and since I work with the guys the ambulance gave me a ride home with my bike. I put on my trainer tire and figured I'd finish, but my right knee started hurting pretty bad. I think it's going to swell up so I am icing it. Guess I'll try again next Friday, we will see. Doing a malf marathon tomorrow and have a daddy daughter dance tonight.


I hope you're ok. That kind of thing scares me so much. I train off road as much as possible because of it, but I also don't put in the mileage you folks do.
2015-09-26 1:48 AM
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It is really hard to understand how unconsiderate (to be polite) some drivers may be. Sorry Scott to hear about this but still we hear about cars hitting cyclist all around the globe. The funny thing is that right now I am in India for work, where driving is really bad, cyclist and bike riders cross in front of cars continuously and never crash! May be the karma....
Hope the dance with your daughter helps to be in a better mood.
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2015-09-26 1:54 AM
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Sandy and the group: how helpful do you think a professional bike fit is? It is a trend or is it really useful to invest some money on this?
Thanks!
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2015-09-26 1:57 AM
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Off season maintenance - what I try to do is focus on races that involve only running. So a) put a couple HM in my calendar (otherwise lazyness takes over), usally November and February, and some 10ks in between - this will have my training and more or less in shape, b) do spinning class once or twice a week, to keep my cycling fitness. And regarding swimming.... I like to think that if have my fitness from running and biking, I will be able to catch up when the season starts again.

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2015-09-26 9:01 AM
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Scott--I hope you are okay! As others have said, I just doing understand how someone can hit another human being with their car and then just drive off.

I've been having a busy week getting ready to leave tomorrow for Egypt. We did a cadaver dog training class yesterday at the research facility I direct. It was a blast and my students and I had a lot of fun watching the dogs learn and be proud of themselves for finding the bodies. I've been kind of feeling like a shlub, but then I looked back at my log for the week and realized I got in five workouts already, with a swim planned this afternoon after I finish packing. I guess after a summer of 12 workouts a week, you have a slightly skewed perception of sloth!


2015-09-27 9:38 PM
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Race Report for the Celtic Classic 10K:

Race Prep
Bagel & cream cheese only. I tend to not focus on nutrition when it's only 6 miles. The most important part: I had my lucky Swedish Fish snack.

Course Conditions
The weather was beautiful. The course was perfect this year. It's partially paved and partially trail running. In previous years there were issues with some puddles and gophers holes, but this year all was well.

Results
6.2 miles - 55:12 secs
I felt great. My previous best in this race was 2 years earlier and I ran way over my head. I did well but was VERY sore for about a week. This time I felt great the whole race. I even sprinted to the finish which was never an option in the past. I feel like it's obvious that I've prepared for races of much greater distances. I missed PB by 47 seconds, but I was just looking for a solid race. That being said, I also haven't tasted these times since that day. Now I know I could do it again tomorrow.

Next
Next up is a half marathon in a little over a month. Training continues.

Beer
The race takes place in Bethlehem, PA during a Celtic festival. That explains the free beer tickets I get for running in a kilt. The beer I choose this year was Guinness Blonde Lager. I'd never had it and wanted to give it a shot. I stuck with that for the remainder of the day, that would mean that I liked it! I tried to have one for everyone in BDAS but I fell short. What matters is that I tried.

I wasn't sure that my buddy would want me posting his pic, so I cropped him out. Check out those legs huh?





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2015-09-29 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Snewo

Question for the masses So what do you do to try to keep your conditioning in the off season? I think I ran out of juice on my Oly because I wasn't trained up for THAT much work in one shot. This Marathon run I'm doing should really help with that. How do I keep that conditioning in the off season and swing it over into the tri world next year? What do you do? Any advice?

Out here on the west coast there are plenty of running events, especially half-marathons, to keep me moving throughout the off-season. I have one scheduled for the end of December and plan on one in February to start the year. Trying to stay focused on my swim and bike are a little tougher, I do admit.

2015-09-29 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Juancho Sandy and the group: how helpful do you think a professional bike fit is? It is a trend or is it really useful to invest some money on this? Thanks! Juan

There are two types of 'professional' bike fitting, those based on experience and those based on science/technology

Experienced based are usually done by people who have been doing it for years and years and typically will eyeball your position with some minor help from basic measurements

Pros:

Often times experience is just as good as the tech and much cheaper

Cons:

Its hard to know if the person is experienced enough or even good at it until you've started riding

 

Technology based using computers/camera/infrared all sort of gadgets to analyze your fit. 

Pros:

Theoretically it should fit you perfectly.

Cons:

'Fit' is based on a model that has been predetermined to be the best riding position. The computer might 'fit' you to the ideal fit but the question then is what is the ideal fit? How is that determined? Does it assume you have optimal pedal stroke? Does it assume you have perfect posture on the bike at all times? Does it account for injury or flexibility issues? 

The technology might be sound but the does the person using the software (or whatever) know how to use it effectively? 

Cost - Super expensive. 

 

It's also really hard to judge if a bike fit is good or not. If you had your bike set up wrong for years you've probably become used to it. If you change it to a 'proper' fit, you might find it incredibly uncomfortable and you might find your power output decreases. Our musculature tends to adapt to be powerful in whatever position we ride, changing it to a position that could potentially produce more power might initially cause you to see a reduction in power until you adapt to it (can take 6 weeks or more). 

I prefer to have someone with experience and a reputation for fitting riders do my fit. That being said, there are some people I know who are excellent bike fitters but they've only ever done rec riders. I don't go to them. They don't know how to fit someone who races. Find someone who has lots of experience fitting people for the type of riding you do. If you ride a Tri bike, get a Tri person to fit you. Don't let a roadie or even TT person fit you (TT and Tri are very different setups), unless of course they have experience in both or multiple.  

 

2015-09-29 1:09 PM
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Originally posted by Snewo

 Question for the masses So what do you do to try to keep your conditioning in the off season? I think I ran out of juice on my Oly because I wasn't trained up for THAT much work in one shot. This Marathon run I'm doing should really help with that. How do I keep that conditioning in the off season and swing it over into the tri world next year? What do you do? Any advice?

It's too difficult to continue sport specific training throughout the entire year for triathlon (i.e. training swim, bike, run all at the same time). In the off season pick a weakness you have and try to develop that. Focus on a 60,20,20 approach to training. 60% of your weekly time should be working on your primary weakness, 20% should be devoted to maintaining the other two disciplines. 

Even though I don't focus on Tri anymore, I still try to do maintenance for both run and swim during my off season. I do a block of run training (which is where I am currently). Then I switch to strength and swim for 6 weeks. Then I start my focused bike training. You an do a variation of this over a 12 week period. Do 4 weeks of training where 60% of your training is on the bike. Do the next 4 weeks with 60% focused on running, and do a final 4 weeks with 60% focused on the swim. 

Make sure you set goals though. And not just frequency or volume goals (e.g. run 3 times per week). If your weakness is the bike, for example, and you typically do Sprints or Olys, set a goal to try and ride 30km in a certain time and build a training plan that will help you build speed up to that. Having a goal and making a plan to get there is what will motivate you to keep going. 

 

2015-09-29 3:51 PM
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Thanks Alan for the "swot" analysis - your knowledge is limitless!

Juan


2015-09-29 10:51 PM
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Juan, brilliant seeing a swot analysis in what Alan prescribed for off-season. Exactly.
2015-09-30 5:52 PM
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Sandy and the group: how helpful do you think a professional bike fit is? It is a trend or is it really useful to invest some money on this?
Thanks!
Juan


Juan, I never even considered it until now. I just had found a PT who specializes in triathletes and cyclists, because a friend mentioned him for a professional bike fitting when I was complaining about my hamstring injury. I was suspicious that the timing was about right....had the bike for about seven weeks before the injury flared up...it felt right that if something was off, given the amount and type of training I was doing and ramping up, that it would have shown up right around then. And I figured worst case scenario I'd get the bike and my body looked at! Sure enough, it was the problem--partly angles, but mostly seat height.

Whereas my hybrid never caused a problem, and was pretty much set up correctly. He made a few minor adjustments to it so that I sat in it as similarly as in my road bike, but the guy who had originally set me up in the bike had done a much better job of fitting the bike for me.

I thought it was interesting that the PT/specialist said that my road bike had been set up for someone who had been riding 40 hours a week for 8 years. I'd say the guy who set up my road bike had been riding 40 hours a week for 8 years. :-) He was super helpful in helping me figure out what I needed and in getting the right bike ordered--it was just set up *just* enough off that when I really, really started changing the way I was training and training hard (Alan's suggestions), things got strained.

I don't think it's necessary at all, but I had a sense something was off.

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2015-10-01 4:59 PM
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Great Sandi, thanks so much for the honest explanation. Will do some research in my city and find a good one.
At this moment, looking for a tri-bike: I know it will not make a huge difference in my time, but they are sooo coool.....
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2015-10-04 8:05 AM
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yes they do look cool

I would like to give a big shout out to Inside Out Sports who fixed my bike for free. Rear rim was out of true and areo bars were bent.

I am in my taper did 4 hours on the bike last friday and will do 2 this friday. Missed my long run due to work but that is life. As dave said the "hay is in the barn" and if it aint then it's to late to get it there.
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