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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bracelet is long gone. Went to a concert last night in Seattle (Dropkick Murphys) so I will be willing to bet I was the only one of you in a mosh pit the day after an IM. When will I learn that I am not 20 anymore? ![]() |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Shermbelle - 2011-06-29 12:27 AM Bracelet is long gone. Went to a concert last night in Seattle (Dropkick Murphys) so I will be willing to bet I was the only one of you in a mosh pit the day after an IM. When will I learn that I am not 20 anymore? ![]() Ha! You definitely beat me there! Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay in my (adopted) hometown! Seattle this time of year is truly the best Oh and yeah, I took the bracelet off on Monday night. Too much 'splainin' to do at work... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sportyj - 2011-06-29 1:11 AM No full BT report but pics and report on my blog:http://jd-squared.blogspot.com/
Really enjoyed your report and pics. Congrats to you and hubby! I know an aside... but really like your bike kit you wore on your last ride before the race too. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sorry to hear about all the issues, overall I had a great day and experience. A little dehydration on the second loop of the bike and a bit of a fit problem I mention in the race report.... But it's Ironman, there are set backs during the day to overcome. This is as much a shameless plug to get us to 200 pages as anything as to say anything Ghandi'ish... Great meeting you guys and sharing a common goal, take care and good luck in future races. Travis |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Was there a finishers video at CdA? I know IMAZ did one. Edited by 3Aims 2011-06-29 7:52 AM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't think I can add a link to my RR, because it is on our team website, and you can't see it unless you are a member. So I will post it here....and this should also push us to that all so important 200. Us Ironmen are crazy about numbers
My first goal with IMCdA was to finish. I had a time goal of 15:00 but |
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New user ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just wanted to thank everyone for all the knowledge and advice shared on this thread. It was also great to meet some of you at the swims and athlete dinner. Special thanks to flyboy and the great volunteers in the med tent post race, and the catchers who made sure I didn't hit the ground post finish line. My goal was to just finish, which I did in 16:25. The swim was tough, although suprisingly the cold didn't bother me after the initial shock, I couldn't seem to sight and swim straight at all. Think I added an extra .1-.15 miles to my swim with all the zig-zigs I did. Out in 1:47 I think. Bike was tough, and I hadn't ridden more than 75 miles at a time prior to the race. Walked up the hill for 1/8 mile on second lap trying to save quads for the "run". Just very tired of riding by mile 80, but stuck it out. Had to loosen shoes twice due to "hot foot". Proabably walked 22 miles out of the marathon, including 98% of the first lap. Stomach shutdown by mile 9 and unable to eat or drink anything after that. Kept rinsing my mouth out with water. Tried 2 oz. of perform at mile 16, went maybe a hundred yards and had a nice lake view between episodes of puking my guts out. Back to rinsing and spitting. Super dark out on the road on final quarter of marathon, but so tired of being out there, started heel-toe shuffle-jog to just get the damn thing over with. Both feet with super bad blisters had me clenching my teeth. If it had been a hot day, doubt I could have started the second lap due to dehydration. Finally back to Sherman and let hill carry me down to finish. Hear Mike reilly say " .... Kentucky...", but not my name. Wonderful volunteers catch me and keep me from falling down as I get my picture taken. To the med tent for more vomiting and then some Zofran, which works wonders after 20 minutes. Able to leave and watch count down to midnight. Pickup bags and hobble to car, hit 24 hour Walgreens for some Gatorade. then a shower and bed. Only sleep 5 hours? Thanks again to everyone. Very sorry about the problems many people had out there Sunday. With our third child due in February, I knew it would probably be a long time before I could have another go at 140.6, so I was pretty much do or die. In the med tent, while dizzy and nauseated, was thinking one and done. Now thinking I give it another go with 2 years to train. This experience has taught me to expect more from myself, both as an athlete and a person in general. Hope to keep in touch. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I had a few friends watching online, and one was nice enough to grab a clip of me crossing.http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=vrpqiv&s=7About to start the final drive leg home. Can't wait to sleep in my own bed. Last night after 11 hours in the car, my legs were swollen like balloons. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I had a few friends watching online, and one was nice enough to grab a clip of me crossing.http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=vrpqiv&s=7About to start the final drive leg home. Can't wait to sleep in my own bed. Last night after 11 hours in the car, my legs were swollen like balloons. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jackson61802 - 2011-06-29 11:19 AM I had a few friends watching online, and one was nice enough to grab a clip of me crossing.http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=vrpqiv&s=7About to start the final drive leg home. Can't wait to sleep in my own bed. Last night after 11 hours in the car, my legs were swollen like balloons. Can you link the full video? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Race photos are up!! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 3Aims - 2011-06-29 8:29 AM Can you link the full video? It looks like they have a video of everyone crossing at Action Sports Photos. It would be on your photo page. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A woman in the female's changing tent told me that her family did the bee signs - something to do with their last name, and their daughter was racing. I loved them too! brucemorgan - 2011-06-27 3:34 PM Who did the Bee signs? I loved those! . |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I told you that you shouldn't have swam so fast - I wouldn't have had to keep chasing you! Lea.kirdatt - 2011-06-29 8:09 AM So I |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Finishing time 15:22, 22 minutes more than I planned, but with the hills, I'll take it! Great race, never felt like quitting, had no problems with the cold water, met lots of cool people along the way, loved the HB signs! NOT DOING IT AGAIN lol |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thought this was a cool pic, the family caught me coming back into town on the second loop of the bike....almost done but I had to stop and get a hug from my little big man.... Cost me a few minutes, but was sure worth the time! (Logan and Dad.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Logan and Dad.jpg (87KB - 11 downloads) |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() awesome photo ^^^! Ive had some time to process my race and while I think I met my goal of having the best day I could on the day, I definitely think I came up short on the numbers game for where my fitness was. So I wax and wane between happy with BEING an Ironman again, and frustrated/disappointed that my race revealed that I was inadequately able to respond to the conditions to a certain degree. I think there is are some obvious factors to explain my lesser performance than I was capable of and wanted to run it by the group. Bear in mind, I cramped up along both rib cages around mile 70 of the bike and it did not dissipate the rest of the way. I also had some hammy lock ups at the end of the bike and early in the run making matters worse. 1. the average temp for the bike was close to 71 degrees. If I recall correctly, the air temp on the car thermometer was 38-39 when we left the rental to head over to transition on race day. 71 being average means I spent a lot of time with a jacket on in the heat thus sweating more than I expected. The clear solution would have been to take more salts and fluids. However, i think my brain was in denial about the heat because of the cold swim and air temp. 2. the hills were steeper on the bike than they were in the car tour with Flyboy and Leah etc. In the car, they looked like similar hills to the ones I hit in Ga. when I actually rode them for the first time on race day, I was shocked at how steep they were. I think a compact would have served me better and a better familiarity with them on bike would have helped too. 3. The run was not "flat as a pancake" as I expected. Those hills on the way to the turnaround really were dastardly for any distance runner, especially during an IM mary. Again, I needed to train more hills when running. This was told to me by a couple of folks but I did not think that the run hills would be that nasty. 4. I wonder about changing bikes with 1.5 mos out. Probably not the best call, and I knew better but figured what the heck. 5. I am not really comfortable in choppy cold water, but who is? However, combine the cold, the chop emanating from the mass, and the mass itself, andthe first 750 yards were killer for me. Thankfully I found a rhythm. All in all, I have lots of great memories, but I did want to throw this out there. Alot of you expected a better performance out of Slayer based on volume totals alone. As I said to 15step on this thread some time ago, when he was upset, its not the volume, its what you do on race day that matters. This was not my best race day and I hope to learn from it. Thinking no more IMs until late 2012 which limits me somewhat. Mrs. Slayer and the kids deserve me around more for a good while. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey Slayer, sorry you didn't have the race you envisioned but that's still an awesome performance given the struggles you fought through. A few thoughts - 1 - I too was really surprised when I saw the temperature recorded by my Garmin - it was over 75 for much of the ride. I put a long sleeve on as well, but I think it wasn't near as cold as expected once we got away from the lake. 2 - Being in that cold water so long can really burn through your glycogen stores in a hurry if you go even a little hypothermic. I was talking to a guy late at the finish line that was an hour slower this year than last and blamed it all on burning up too much stored sugar in the swim. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what got to you at mile 70. 3 - Looking at your mini race report on your blog, our bike splits were just about the same, but my AP was 165 and NP was 176. I'm 6'2" and was probably 165 on Sunday, so I'm well below Clyde class, but I'm not sure there were enough hills on the course to explain where all your watts went. I'd look into your bike setup. Thanks for all your great posts on this thread over the past year and best of luck going forward. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Slayer - I was in the same boat on several of the things Matt mentioned: 1 - I too was really surprised when I saw the temperature recorded by my Garmin - it was over 75 for much of the ride. I put a long sleeve on as well, but I think it wasn't near as cold as expected once we got away from the lake. I was surprised how many people I saw wearing long sleeves on the bike. I stayed sleeveless but then again I live and train in crappy weather here in the northwest. So I can handle a chill much better than hot. I did see one guy strip his jacket and drop it INTO his bike special needs bag... something I hadn't thought of before. 2 - Being in that cold water so long can really burn through your glycogen stores in a hurry if you go even a little hypothermic. I was talking to a guy late at the finish line that was an hour slower this year than last and blamed it all on burning up too much stored sugar in the swim. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what got to you at mile 70. My core temp stayed much better this year wearing a neoprene cap. But I know I burned the candle too much on the swim because I was physically fighting for position for so long. I started with Matt and we were both in the middle of the scrum for a long time. I paid for it by the 2nd loop of the bike where I faded terribly. See the next item... 3 - Looking at your mini race report on your blog, our bike splits were just about the same, but my AP was 165 and NP was 176. I'm 6'2" and was probably 165 on Sunday, so I'm well below Clyde class, but I'm not sure there were enough hills on the course to explain where all your watts went. I'd look into your bike setup. Thanks for all your great posts on this thread over the past year and best of luck going forward. I'm similar power to Matt, and about 150lbs... but I didn't hold up as well. The first 56 I was at 151AP / 164NP, exactly where I wanted to be. 2nd half I was at 127AP / 143NP. To me the hills were a non-factor - that course is flatter than what I train on. A combo of swim fatigue and poor digestion caught up with me. The best thing I can say about my ride is that I clobbered people on the descents. I knew the course and I know how far I can push my bike into turns while keeping good aero position. I was able to get in only 10 mins slower than Matt's bike time even with my problems. Btw... I don't think the splits I saw on Race Day Tracker were quite accurate. It was giving me a 3:09 / 3:00 for the 1st/2nd half... there's no way. My bike computer had me at 2:55 and 3:12 which is more in line with my 20 watt dropoff.
Edit: air temp at race start was about 40. My computer shows 57 degrees when I started the bike, and 81 degrees when I finished, if anyone's curious how much it warmed up Edited by spudone 2011-06-30 12:46 AM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tough love time. This post is not for those of you who are celebrating, who just finished your first IM, or who crashed a bike or got hypothermic or whatever. This is for the folks who trained their hearts out but then didn't have it on race day, and are now left with questions and struggling to feel good about their experience. Just a warning that I'm not going to be kind or encouraging or soft pedal anythign in the text below. If you have thin skin, read no further. That said, here goes: If you have a race that is less than what you wanted, there are two places to look: 1) race day [mis]execution - you guys are focusing on this and I think that's smart. Things like gearing, pacing, nutrition, etc. In general, though, it sounds like most folks were pretty smart about this on this thread (good, because we preached it for months leading up to the race). However, I DON'T think hills on the bike/run are to blame for most folks that were trained well. Someone who biked a couple thousand miles in prep for this race can ride any hill, regardless of what hills they had to train on. The key is power output... and that's all about gearing and pacing. With the right gears, any hill on the course can be ridden at whatever your goal wattage should have been. That should take no more out of you than riding on a flat at the same wattage. However, if it felt like you couldn't hit the right numbers, I'd look at part 2 of the equation. 2) preparation (training) and taper - as we've discussed a million times on here, there is no single right way for everyone. But you can assume there is a best way for you, personally... and perhaps a poor performance on race day means you missed it. Just to be honest, as I watched a few logs leading up to the race there was some stuff in there that made me nervous. I keep my mouth shut about that stuff since I'm not anyone's coach and lots of what I was nervous about was apparently prescribed by a coach. But still you should wonder what it means if your best performances came in training and not in the race, and you can't identify any real execution mistakes in your race. Hard to talk specifics without a long and careful look at totality of training, athlete history, B-races during prep, taper, etc... but don't forget the "what would I do different in training" part of the equation. It's very possible to arrive at IM overtrained, burned out, over tapered, inadequately tapered, not fully recovered from your last race or epic workout, fightin injury of sickness that could have been avoided with a slightly more conservative approach, etc. It's just a reality with so many folks in this thread that some of you made the mistake of trying to squeeze that last little bit of fitness into your training and ironically it cost you (instead of benefitted you) on race day. Sometimes that grapsed-for fitness is on top of an already incredibly fit race machine that would have been fine without that last long run, last big brick, etc. Other times it's desperate for fitness because my training wasn't what I hoped in months prior due to X, Y, and Z. Finding that balance is so hard, but both of those (what I call "icing" fitness or "ketchup" fitness) usually end up hurting race day performance. Just to be honest I saw some people people being way too aggressive way too late in the game for my conservative training philosophies. Yeah I'm the guy who advocated in late 2010 some training methodologies that many people scoffed at as impractical, a recipe for overtraining, etc. But I'm still calling myself conservative because I advocated for what seemed insane EARLY in training. The mistake that is all to easy to make is to wait too late to get there (usually because we don't start early enough, and sometimes because we did start early enough but then get dragged along by the momentum of that insanity past the sweet spot). Just thinking out loud. Sorry if this is harsh... you were warned. The only way your race is a real waste is if you fail to use it to identify the stuff above, and go repeat the same mistakes next time. Getting it right when you've gotten it wrong before is far more rewarding than stumbling onto it the first time. Yeah I know... so says the guy who ran 10:20 in his first IM... but trust me that came after dozens of failures at smaller races and after I poured a ton of energy into become as self-aware as I could about training and racing. Oh and let's not talk about the most disasterous race I've ever had -- the HIM after my IM, where I stupidly figured I was invincible because of all the IM training. Anyway... it's all too easy to miss the mark, whether you've hit it before or not. But usually (yeah, I said it), we need to look in the mirror if we end up saying (I wish that race had been 3 weeks ago when I did that huge brick and felt great." Josh PS - yes it's possible to just have a bad day... it can happen to anyone. I'm not saying if you had a bad day it's your fault or that you necessarily screwed something up big time. I'm just saying it's worth a humble and honest look to see if there's anything that could be adjusted. Edited by JoshKaptur 2011-06-30 7:38 AM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Who's in for next year? I'm in.... Regretting it a little, but I have a year to get rid of the regret. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2011-06-30 7:22 AM It's very possible to arrive at IM overtrained, burned out, over tapered, inadequately tapered, not fully recovered from your last race or epic workout, fightin injury of sickness that could have been avoided with a slightly more conservative approach, etc. It's just a reality with so many folks in this thread that some of you made the mistake of trying to squeeze that last little bit of fitness into your training and ironically it cost you (instead of benefitted you) on race day. Sometimes that grapsed-for fitness is on top of an already incredibly fit race machine that would have been fine without that last long run, last big brick, etc. Other times it's desperate for fitness because my training wasn't what I hoped in months prior due to X, Y, and Z. Finding that balance is so hard, but both of those (what I call "icing" fitness or "ketchup" fitness) usually end up hurting race day performance. Just to be honest I saw some people people being way too aggressive way too late in the game for my conservative training philosophies. Good stuff here. As a first time IMer, I was a sponge over the last year listening to anyone and everyone that had an opinion or advice. You, my coach, my many IM friends, forums, etc. I tried really hard to filter the good advice from the not so good advice. I had several people very worried about my plan (440 hours over 7 months), which was a combo of the Ironfit Competitive Plan and my personal NYC marathon plan. I also did a tremendous amount of swimming and tough leg and stroke drills which I feel really added to my endurance. Many people said I was wasting my time in the pool 3-4 hours a week for 7 months. I think my race was made with my fairly conservative taper of 3 weeks and 14,11,5 hours. My friend who did CdA last year told me this was his biggest mistake. Too little taper too late. I came off a 24 hour week so it was a fairly steep drop for me. I would say I was race ready one full week prior to race day. Overtapered? Maybe a little, but I will take that over not enough. I also think my pace strategy paid huge dividends. My splits are really tight for a race this long. The fact I ran a final 10k split that was 20 seconds per mile under my overall run average tells me I listened to my body and used my energy/power wisely.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mallen4574 - 2011-06-30 7:35 AM Who's in for next year? I'm in.... Regretting it a little, but I have a year to get rid of the regret. I don't do the same race twice, but I am looking at IM Canada and Lake Placid for 2012. Anyone have comments on either? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Selachophobia - 2011-06-29 7:48 PM Thought this was a cool pic, the family caught me coming back into town on the second loop of the bike....almost done but I had to stop and get a hug from my little big man.... Cost me a few minutes, but was sure worth the time! Awesome. I'm jealous. I'd love a picture like that with my boys. |
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