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2013-06-25 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Morning Manatees! 

Sometimes living in d/t Chicago isn't all it's cracked up to be.  Between the helicopters, the sirens, incessant honking of horns and all the yelling that didn't stop until about 5am or so this morning... it's going to be a multiple coffee day today.

And I really want a Costanza Desk. 

Someone sounds displeased with the Blackhawks.  Innocent



2013-06-25 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)

Originally posted by Asalzwed Obviously I am too late for my feedback to be helpful, but I guess I don't understand exactly what you role is in the professional relationship you have with them? 

There's no formal professional relationship between Brennan, the LA-based organizer. He and I knew each other already in LA from events he put on that also involved LA Tri Club (most of them) or AIDS Marathon (some of them), for which I both volunteered and worked part-time formally. Bali side I've gotten a lot of local athletes (both in Bali and generally Indonesian athletes) into the sport and grown the sport, and in many cases Bali is going to be either their first and/or a hallmark triathlon (many of them can't afford the entry fee, even the reduced one for Indonesians, so we get them sponsored. But then you do have sponsors that you are in some fashion, great or small, responsible to). My first year I was the only Indonesian athlete (sponsored by the Indonesian event organizers); now the MAJORITY of racers are Indonesian. However, Brennan (and his wife/family) and I are also good friends and we spend a lot of time together separately from the race.

There's actually straight-up enmity between me and the Indonesian organizers (the director of which is actually an American who's been a Dallas-style family friend/foe for 40 years). There is no professional connection there at all.

Long story.

2013-06-25 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

2013-06-25 12:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Morning Manatees! 

Sometimes living in d/t Chicago isn't all it's cracked up to be.  Between the helicopters, the sirens, incessant honking of horns and all the yelling that didn't stop until about 5am or so this morning... it's going to be a multiple coffee day today.

And I really want a Costanza Desk. 

Someone sounds displeased with the Blackhawks.  Innocent

Hahaha!  Of course I'm displeased... I'm a Canucks fan!!!  Yell

2013-06-25 12:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

2013-06-25 12:23 PM
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Did I hear someone say BOING?


2013-06-25 12:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by jmkizer
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Morning Manatees! 

Sometimes living in d/t Chicago isn't all it's cracked up to be.  Between the helicopters, the sirens, incessant honking of horns and all the yelling that didn't stop until about 5am or so this morning... it's going to be a multiple coffee day today.

And I really want a Costanza Desk. 

Someone sounds displeased with the Blackhawks.  Innocent

Hahaha!  Of course I'm displeased... I'm a Canucks fan!!!  Yell

Yes, I was really annoyed to see them win. And to win like that????? That is the stuff of fantasy! 

2013-06-25 12:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Some help - I was advised to train in Z2 for my run and ride, easy enough on the trainer.

My z2 max is about 140.

On my run I run 2mins, walk 1min.  In the walk section my HR is about 120-125, so i figure in the run it could max at 160 making an average of 140.  Am I being too simplistic?

Have you figured out your zones for running?  On the trainer sounds like bike zones which are not the same as run zones.

2013-06-25 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by TriAya Did I hear someone say BOING?
Bong?
2013-06-25 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Originally posted by Asalzwed Obviously I am too late for my feedback to be helpful, but I guess I don't understand exactly what you role is in the professional relationship you have with them? 

There's no formal professional relationship between Brennan, the LA-based organizer. He and I knew each other already in LA from events he put on that also involved LA Tri Club (most of them) or AIDS Marathon (some of them), for which I both volunteered and worked part-time formally. Bali side I've gotten a lot of local athletes (both in Bali and generally Indonesian athletes) into the sport and grown the sport, and in many cases Bali is going to be either their first and/or a hallmark triathlon (many of them can't afford the entry fee, even the reduced one for Indonesians, so we get them sponsored. But then you do have sponsors that you are in some fashion, great or small, responsible to). My first year I was the only Indonesian athlete (sponsored by the Indonesian event organizers); now the MAJORITY of racers are Indonesian. However, Brennan (and his wife/family) and I are also good friends and we spend a lot of time together separately from the race.

There's actually straight-up enmity between me and the Indonesian organizers (the director of which is actually an American who's been a Dallas-style family friend/foe for 40 years). There is no professional connection there at all.

Long story.

Alright, so you are upset from the perspective of a competitor in the event but also as one who promoted the race and got other people to participate only to see them putting their safety at risk.

Sorry, I am slow.

2013-06-25 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by cdban66
Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

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I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Yanti, I can only offer semantics. I believe this is a race that you still love. If not, you wouldn't be as worked up about it as you are. 

This was my first thought as well - if you didn't still love this race, you wouldn't feel so strongly about not only the events that took place this year, but also wanting to save it for future years. 

I think it's very well-written and gets your points across without sounding emotional or angry.  Hopefully the race directors will take this as seriously as you do. 

Yup. This ^.  Yanti, I really applaud you for waiting to write, and what you have written is both eloquent and effective.  Please keep us posted on how this is received.

 



2013-06-25 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

Still trying to figure out what to make of these, but keep shaking my head.

2013-06-25 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Originally posted by jobaxas

Some help - I was advised to train in Z2 for my run and ride, easy enough on the trainer.

My z2 max is about 140.

On my run I run 2mins, walk 1min.  In the walk section my HR is about 120-125, so i figure in the run it could max at 160 making an average of 140.  Am I being too simplistic?

Have you figured out your zones for running?  On the trainer sounds like bike zones which are not the same as run zones.

Honestly Jo, I think you should be even more simplistic. Just get out there and run. Don't worry about the numbers.

2013-06-25 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

Still trying to figure out what to make of these, but keep shaking my head.

I liked that someone response was simply posting this picture:

2013-06-25 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

Still trying to figure out what to make of these, but keep shaking my head.

Silly shoe companies.

And, yet, I will see them all over campus this fall, I'm sure.

Am I the only one who hates springy shoes?  I lose way too much power and control.  Like I need help doing that?

2013-06-25 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

Still trying to figure out what to make of these, but keep shaking my head.

Silly shoe companies.

And, yet, I will see them all over campus this fall, I'm sure.

Am I the only one who hates springy shoes?  I lose way too much power and control.  Like I need help doing that?

I have a feeling that you are not the only one Smile



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I watched this guy develop yesterday.  Crazy.  Friend's pic.  We had multiple tornados yesterday afternoon.

2013-06-25 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by jmkizer
Originally posted by jobaxas

Some help - I was advised to train in Z2 for my run and ride, easy enough on the trainer.

My z2 max is about 140.

On my run I run 2mins, walk 1min.  In the walk section my HR is about 120-125, so i figure in the run it could max at 160 making an average of 140.  Am I being too simplistic?

Have you figured out your zones for running?  On the trainer sounds like bike zones which are not the same as run zones.

Honestly Jo, I think you should be even more simplistic. Just get out there and run. Don't worry about the numbers.

In thinking about this some more, I'm wondering if HR is making this more complicated. What was the rationale for the run/walk as opposed to running more? Can't remember. I've done ratios like this, but it was in coming back from an injury. I didn't bother with HR and just ran really, really easy. The focus was on building up so I could run more continuously. After doing that for awhile the metrics would fit back in more easily.

2013-06-25 12:57 PM
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I watched this guy develop yesterday.  Crazy.  Friend's pic.  We had multiple tornados yesterday afternoon.

Ellie Mae, we ain't in Kansas anymore!

2013-06-25 12:57 PM
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I watched this guy develop yesterday.  Crazy.  Friend's pic.  We had multiple tornados yesterday afternoon.

Ellie Mae, we ain't in Kansas anymore!

Sorry, that is just plumb scary!



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2013-06-25 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed
yowza, shoes with actual springs
 
I need to post the link  because the responses are hilarious. 

They still wouldn't make me any faster! 

I feel like it will. Please get them and wear them in Wisconsin. Look out for rocks though ...

Still trying to figure out what to make of these, but keep shaking my head.

Silly shoe companies.

And, yet, I will see them all over campus this fall, I'm sure.

Am I the only one who hates springy shoes?  I lose way too much power and control.  Like I need help doing that?

I have a feeling that you are not the only one Smile

The comments are great!



2013-06-25 1:30 PM
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Trying to get my head around tomorrows race! I mean, yeah, it's just a 5K and I have raced a hand full of those before but it's going to be quite the experience racing on a track!

I don't know anyone else racing the 5000 as my training partner decided she's too run down to go for it (smart choice) and none of my other teammates are (that I know of) so I can really focus on my own run, which I think will be good for a first time.

I'm planning on running even but  conservative splits in the beginning (like I would a normal race) and then kicking it in at the end if I can. I imagine they will combine the men's and women's race so there may be some guys I can use as my rabbits for that last 800 or so. 

2013-06-25 2:08 PM
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Good luck Salty! 

I want to hear all about it.

What were your sports before you ran?

2013-06-25 2:11 PM
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Good luck Salty! 

I want to hear all about it.

What were your sports before you ran?

Hockey and snowboarding at various stages in my life, Shot Put (huh?) in junior high,  Pole Vaulted in HS.

Probably the strangest combination in sports history. 

2013-06-25 2:15 PM
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I watched this guy develop yesterday.  Crazy.  Friend's pic.  We had multiple tornados yesterday afternoon.

What a beauty. That shade of green will put fear in me. I hope there wasn't much damage.
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