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2008-05-02 3:52 PM
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Yeah, my Javelin is a bit of a reach for me, being at 5'8". I bought a Narni, 51 frame size with 650 wheels, and I'm still stretched out. Just bought a 80mm stem to replace the 100mm, should take care of the reach.


2008-05-02 3:58 PM
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Spoke with Dave today and they are out of road bikes.
2008-05-03 8:30 PM
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AnthonyF - 2008-04-29 10:54 PM

First post here with my first tri bike coming way, and hopefully my first tri later this year. Got a 48cm Varese with 650c's after debating with myself for quite a long time. I'm 5'5" with a 28" inseam, and saw that someone my height barely got away with a 51cm, but he had an inch more inseam than me. I'm kind of nervous that it might be too small, but I'll just have to wait and see. My reasoning is that I know that to get that really good aero position most people have really high seat posts in relation to the bars, and I can't accomplish that without a fairly small bike.

Someone said they've run out of 47cm Parmas and they are correct, so I went with a 51 in one of those, and saw that someone 5'6" is doing pretty well on a 51 Fara, and those bikes share the same geometry.

I'm really anxious and nervous about the fit - I really hope these bikes work out for me. Can't wait to see them next week.



How does your Varese fit? I'm 5'4" with a size 51 Varese, and barely clear the top tube, so my seat is low (only about 3 inches). I'm also the guy who fell and dislocated his shoulder first time on the bike in clipless pedals. I probably should have gone with a 47, as it may have fit better.

Does the cyclops 2 fluid trainer fit our bikes? I'm going to be sidelined for a while, so I'll build up my legs on the trainer in the mean time.
2008-05-03 8:51 PM
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scrappy62 - 2008-05-03 9:30 PM  How does your Varese fit? I'm 5'4" with a size 51 Varese, and barely clear the top tube, so my seat is low (only about 3 inches). I'm also the guy who fell and dislocated his shoulder first time on the bike in clipless pedals. I probably should have gone with a 47, as it may have fit better. Does the cyclops 2 fluid trainer fit our bikes? I'm going to be sidelined for a while, so I'll build up my legs on the trainer in the mean time.

The CycleOps fluid trainers, and any other trainer for that matter (wind, magnetic) from just about any manufacturer will accommodate 99.9% of road & tri bikes, Javelin included. Just FYI, although CycleOps gets great reviews, some of us here have had trouble with them leaking - I had 2 new units leak within weeks of each other so I went with the only leak-proof fluid trainer: Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. 

And BTW I'm 5' 8", 30" inseam and a 51cm Javelin Arcole fits me like a glove. 

2008-05-03 9:23 PM
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scrappy62 - 2008-05-03 6:30 PM

How does your Varese fit? I'm 5'4" with a size 51 Varese, and barely clear the top tube, so my seat is low (only about 3 inches). I'm also the guy who fell and dislocated his shoulder first time on the bike in clipless pedals. I probably should have gone with a 47, as it may have fit better. Does the cyclops 2 fluid trainer fit our bikes? I'm going to be sidelined for a while, so I'll build up my legs on the trainer in the mean time.

It hasn't arrived yet, probably since I'm in California. They told me to expect it mid to late this week. I will definitely let you know when it gets here. I'll be loosely assembling it pretty much immediately out of the box so I can check my fit.

Funny thing is, I was using your experience to guide my fit. :P I was debating between the 51cm and the 48cm, and I just decided to play it safe and get the 48cm. (Someone said that you can make a smaller bike bigger, but you can't make a bigger bike smaller. Kinda stuck with me.)

Sounds like my 51cm Parma is gonna be too big...especially since the top tube length is a lot longer than the Varese's. 'tis alright...I probably shouldn't have three bikes around anyhow.

Sorry to hear about your fall and subsequent injury. I almost ate it myself when I was using toe clips for the first time. Gonna make sure to practice when I get a set of clipless pedals.



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2008-05-05 10:27 AM
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Two months after posting this, #1 son decided, and wife OKed the purchase of a bike for him, so we now have a 57 Varese on the way.

Sounded like they still had Vareses and Sizzanos left, if anyone is still interested.



2008-05-05 7:08 PM
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sty - 2008-05-03 8:51 PM

scrappy62 - 2008-05-03 9:30 PM  How does your Varese fit? I'm 5'4" with a size 51 Varese, and barely clear the top tube, so my seat is low (only about 3 inches). I'm also the guy who fell and dislocated his shoulder first time on the bike in clipless pedals. I probably should have gone with a 47, as it may have fit better. Does the cyclops 2 fluid trainer fit our bikes? I'm going to be sidelined for a while, so I'll build up my legs on the trainer in the mean time.

The CycleOps fluid trainers, and any other trainer for that matter (wind, magnetic) from just about any manufacturer will accommodate 99.9% of road & tri bikes, Javelin included. Just FYI, although CycleOps gets great reviews, some of us here have had trouble with them leaking - I had 2 new units leak within weeks of each other so I went with the only leak-proof fluid trainer: Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. 

And BTW I'm 5' 8", 30" inseam and a 51cm Javelin Arcole fits me like a glove. 



hmmm, Is it possible to get my size 51 fit properly without buying a new bike. I thought this was the right size for me? I'm 5'4" 140lbs with a 28"inseam. I think part of the reason I fell is because I struggled coming out of the aero position, and wasn't used to the clipless pedals.
2008-05-05 7:12 PM
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Scrappy,

You should be able to size down with a different stem, and maybe moving the seat forward on it's rails and the aero bar extensions back.

I recommend, if you have it, spend the $100 or so on a professional fit.

2008-05-06 9:22 AM
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Two quick questions:

I have a Parma. How hard is it to remove the decals/paint from the matte black finish? I'm talking about the ones that say "Javelin" and "Parma".

The second issue concerns my front derailleur. It sorta operates as a tripple, meaning that I can shift it over three times for my two chain rings. Is it normal to have a "three speed box" even though you only have two rings or is this have something to do with my set-up and tune?

2008-05-06 9:43 AM
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I believe Javelin uses paint with clearcoat, not decals, so unless you want to break out the sandpaper and do a complete paint re-do, my advice would be love the one you're with   
2008-05-06 9:49 AM
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I have a parma, there does not appear to have a matte clearcoat on it, but I don't know what you would be left with if you could remove the lettering since it appears to be painted on.

I believe the Shifter is a double but Campy sets it up this way so you can use the shifters to tweek the position to avoid the chain rubbing when in the big or small ring in the bag. Each click just moves the derailure a small amount.


2008-05-06 10:27 AM
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MoquiVA - 2008-05-05 7:12 PM

Scrappy,

You should be able to size down with a different stem, and maybe moving the seat forward on it's rails and the aero bar extensions back.

I recommend, if you have it, spend the $100 or so on a professional fit.



thanks, the place that assembled my bike told me it's $350 for a triathlon bike fitting. I thought that was a little pricey. Then, I think I also have to buy the new parts that they will swap in. What happens to the old stem? I'm on a budget. Thanks, Mike
2008-05-06 10:45 AM
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Ok so I know I am probably horribly late, but does anyone thing there is a chance that there is any Parma's still available?

I have been watching this and trying to part with the money and now I am finally almost there, but I have the feeling I missed the boat.
2008-05-06 10:52 AM
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sleslie - 2008-05-06 11:45 AM Ok so I know I am probably horribly late, but does anyone thing there is a chance that there is any Parma's still available? I have been watching this and trying to part with the money and now I am finally almost there, but I have the feeling I missed the boat.

When you buy two bikes, sent to the same address, shipping is free.
For more information and to buy a bike, please call Dave or Geoff at Javelin, 847.526.0100. Quantities are limited so call soon.
2008-05-06 11:22 AM
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sleslie - 2008-05-06 10:45 AM Ok so I know I am probably horribly late, but does anyone thing there is a chance that there is any Parma's still available? I have been watching this and trying to part with the money and now I am finally almost there, but I have the feeling I missed the boat.

It was reported earlier in this thread that they were out of road bikes, but it doesn't hurt to call. As of yesterday, they still had tri bikes.

2008-05-06 11:28 AM
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scrappy62 - 2008-05-06 11:27 AM
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Scrappy,

You should be able to size down with a different stem, and maybe moving the seat forward on it's rails and the aero bar extensions back.

I recommend, if you have it, spend the $100 or so on a professional fit.

thanks, the place that assembled my bike told me it's $350 for a triathlon bike fitting. I thought that was a little pricey. Then, I think I also have to buy the new parts that they will swap in. What happens to the old stem? I'm on a budget. Thanks, Mike

I would ask them what you get for $350, but that sounds terribly unreasonable. Fitting a tri bike is just like fitting a road bike (the process, not the actual fit) so I can't imagine why it would be that much.

When I was fit for my Varese, I bought the stem that we needed to replace. You could probably sell the old stem on Ebay to recoup part of it if needed.

The fitting though will make your bike more comfortable in the long run than anything else you could do (all of this is assuming you don't know what the proper fit is for you -- some people may be skilled enough to fit themselves).

Good luck! *and I might find another LBS* 



2008-05-06 1:49 PM
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My local Bike shop is like $325 for a fitting too, so it's not uncommon for a higher end place. They spend a few hours with you taking all kinda of measurements, checking flexibility, setting up the computer bike, making small adjustments, checking your spin out, re-adjusting your shoes and fit you for shoes if needed, address how to work on any physical idiosyncrasys and so on.

I didn't pay for my fitting (its a long story) but if I had had the money I would say it was worth it, but if your just looking to make a few bike adjustments I'd find another shop.

2008-05-06 2:13 PM
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IdealMuse - 2008-05-06 2:49 PM My local Bike shop is like $325 for a fitting too, so it's not uncommon for a higher end place. They spend a few hours with you taking all kinda of measurements, checking flexibility, setting up the computer bike, making small adjustments, checking your spin out, re-adjusting your shoes and fit you for shoes if needed, address how to work on any physical idiosyncrasys and so on. I didn't pay for my fitting (its a long story) but if I had had the money I would say it was worth it, but if your just looking to make a few bike adjustments I'd find another shop.

I had the same adjustment as you did, from a certified fitter, which took about 2 hours, for $100. So I guess your mileage may vary. It might be supply/demand in the area, with Northern Virginia being a higher supply of fitters, and thus, a lower price.

I know you are in NY, but if you are ever down here on business and want the number of my guy, send me a PM and let me know. 

2008-05-06 2:17 PM
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Fit here from a FIST-certified fitter who apprenticed for years under John Cobb is only $100.

$300+ is outarageous, but could just be supply and demand.

2008-05-06 6:03 PM
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MoquiVA - 2008-05-06 3:13 PM

IdealMuse - 2008-05-06 2:49 PM My local Bike shop is like $325 for a fitting too, so it's not uncommon for a higher end place. They spend a few hours with you taking all kinda of measurements, checking flexibility, setting up the computer bike, making small adjustments, checking your spin out, re-adjusting your shoes and fit you for shoes if needed, address how to work on any physical idiosyncrasys and so on. I didn't pay for my fitting (its a long story) but if I had had the money I would say it was worth it, but if your just looking to make a few bike adjustments I'd find another shop.

I had the same adjustment as you did, from a certified fitter, which took about 2 hours, for $100. So I guess your mileage may vary. It might be supply/demand in the area, with Northern Virginia being a higher supply of fitters, and thus, a lower price.

I know you are in NY, but if you are ever down here on business and want the number of my guy, send me a PM and let me know.



Where did you go for your fitting? I am in Leesburg and in a month or so after I get a few miles on my bike and my wifes bike we will go in for a fitting.
2008-05-06 6:13 PM
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Ok so here goes my I am an idiot story. I waited for about 5 days for my wifes Parma to get out of the shop with its tune up.

We drive to the WO&D and parked. After getting my gear on I rode up to meet her at the beginning of the trail. As I pulled up next to her I unclipped my left foot and stopped as I stopped I lost my balance and started falling to the right (still clipped in). I tried to grab the top tube on her bike to keep from falling and fell on her back wheel. Now as you are falling out of your chair thinking of this in your head realize that I am almost 300 lbs (299 this morning). I bent her wheel and her rear derailer hanger. So to sum it up I am shopping for her a new wheel and we didn't get to ride a foot.

Yea me.


2008-05-06 6:38 PM
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TheyCallMeTiny - Yea me.

Tough break Tiny!  Probably better you broke the wheel than the wife! 

2008-05-06 6:50 PM
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Aw jeez Tiny, sorry to hear bout that.

On a happier note, my Javelins are in! Was greeted by two beautiful cardboard boxes when I got home today; one with something very strange written on it.

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Yeah, I have no clue why that's on there, on why it says that. If anyone could enlighten me, that would be great, but I figure someone at UPS or Javelin shipping was fooling around. edit: just in case someone tries to tell me what it means - I do know what it means (thanks Spanish 1 class & Taco Bell)

The bikes are beautiful. A few minor qualms; the Parma comes with a much different set of components than advertised. It was said to be a mix of Mirage/Xenon, with Mirage shifters and front derailleur...it's full on Xenon. A little disappointing, but not a huge loss. Also, the Varese was supposed to have an FSA IS-3 headset - it came with a cane creek headset. Minor, though.

In regards to fit - the 48cm Varese seems to be a great fit. When I first took it out of the box, I said to myself, oh my word, this thing is tiny! But I think it'll work out great. I've loosely assembled it and I should have a seat height somewhere close to around here.

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My 51cm Parma on the other hand is a bit bigger than I like, but I think I should be able to keep the seat on level with the bars, so I'll probably ride it.

Scrappy - sadly, I have to say that the 48cm may have been the better choice, since I know you and I are very close in height/inseam. Nevertheless, I hope you can get your bike to work for you.

Can't wait for my eggbeaters to come in so I can ride. For now I'll just stare at my Varese... Laughing

Oh! And for the person who wanted to get rid of the decals...

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I don't like the font they used for the bike names. Tongue out It was a quickie, so I'll probably redo it so the tape lines are more even. I was thinking of doing it to the Varese, but it might stand out too much. We'll see.



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2008-05-06 7:13 PM
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Thought I posted somewhere in the past 17 pages that the 2 parma's I saw were full Xenon. Remember they were not advertised as anything, some off us found old catalogs, I think we found 07 cat's and some of the Parma's are '06. Maybe 06 vs 05.

2008-05-06 7:42 PM
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davhamm - 2008-05-06 5:13 PM Thought I posted somewhere in the past 17 pages that the 2 parma's I saw were full Xenon. Remember they were not advertised as anything, some off us found old catalogs, I think we found 07 cat's and some of the Parma's are '06. Maybe 06 vs 05.

I understand that the catalogs are old, but even the 2008 closeout sale flyer specifically says for the Parma - "Campagnolo Xenon/Mirage". It really doesn't matter though. I'm fine with what I got.

Oh...new qualm. The carbon Zero seatpost has a really funky design that kind of gets in the way of saddlebags or hydration systems. It's not completely in the way as far as I can tell, but it's there. Really funky seat clamp though, I've never seen anything like it. Still, very minor. Still can't wait for my eggbeaters to pop up in the mail.



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