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2011-10-18 10:26 AM
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I know I bought gloves.  I see the neoprene booties & swim caps are specifically allowed.  I do remember my hands didn't function in T1, so maybe I did not wear them. 


2011-10-18 10:27 AM
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Edit: found race photo, I was wearing gloves & booties. IM A CHEATER!  I had no idea they weren't allowed. 

Per this years FAQ's:

8) Are swim booties and neoprene swim caps allowed during the swim?
Yes. Swim booties are allowed but fins are not allowed. Neoprene caps are allowed but the PPD B2B issued swim cap must be worn over these caps.

9) What is the rule on wetsuits?
PPD Beach2Battleship organizers will REQUIRE that you wear a wetsuit during the swim. There will be no exception to this rule.



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2011-10-18 10:29 AM
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Oldteen - 2011-10-18 11:04 AM
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 8:43 AM I did a test swim the day before the race last year w/2 others guys, and we were all very cold.  We all went and bought gloves & booties, and the other guys bought hoodies also.  I did not buy a hoodie.   Even with the benefit of gloves,  I realized in T1 that my hands were too cold to do fine more tasks like zippers.   Just my n=1, YMMV
I've heard folks mention that booties cause a bit of drag on your legs...Any thoughts?

no they don't... u need to get the right size!

I am usually L or XL for shoes/socks but I bought M booties They should fit fairly tight or else they are going to be full of water while you swim (kind of like a wetsuit)!

Did you go for tri booties, or something from a dive shop?  I've heard dive stuff holds up better (i.e. for running on asphalt).

BTW- Water temp @ Wrightsville Beach NOAA buoy has been 72.7-73.4 F past 24hrs.  I may be a tough old Michigander, but that doesn't have me rushing out to get hood/booties/gloves.  Last 2 OWS's I've been fine in just my sleeveless & latex cap for >1hr in 74 & 70 F water.

And +1 on face-planting the water for acclimatization just prior to swim start.  Helps me a lot- esp when I can't get in a practice swim.

regular booties (swimming); diving stuff are usually heavy IMO.

I can't stand the cold so I will swim with my neoprene cap and booties regardless

2011-10-18 10:36 AM
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 11:27 AM

Edit: found race photo, I was wearing gloves & booties. IM A CHEATER!  I had no idea they weren't allowed. 

I'll email the RD and tell him you cheated and make sure are DQed!  Smile

That's surprising that your hands were still cold after wearing gloves!  I hope you make out better this year...

2011-10-18 10:41 AM
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PeakTriCoaching - 2011-10-18 2:36 PM
lakeview - 2011-10-18 11:27 AM

Edit: found race photo, I was wearing gloves & booties. IM A CHEATER!  I had no idea they weren't allowed. 

I'll email the RD and tell him you cheated and make sure are DQed!  Smile

That's surprising that your hands were still cold after wearing gloves!  I hope you make out better this year...

I feel like I've been sucker punched, it sucks to realize I cheated.  I really had no idea. 

2011-10-18 10:44 AM
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I'd swear there was some discussion about this before, but I can't find it.  Sorry to ask it again.

If we don't wear booties, is there someplace to stash an old pair of running shoes at the docks?  Is it worth it given the time to get them on and then off with cold hands and tired muscles?



2011-10-18 10:47 AM
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 11:41 AM
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 11:27 AM

Edit: found race photo, I was wearing gloves & booties. IM A CHEATER!  I had no idea they weren't allowed. 

I'll email the RD and tell him you cheated and make sure are DQed!  Smile

That's surprising that your hands were still cold after wearing gloves!  I hope you make out better this year...

I feel like I've been sucker punched, it sucks to realize I cheated.  I really had no idea. 

I was totally joking!  I would definitely consider it water under the bridge at this point.  Honestly, as long as they were just gloves and not webbed swimming gloves, I don't see how they could have helped your speed and if anything, probably slowed you down.

Just think of how many people probably drafted the whole bike ride and really cheated!  That should hopefully make you feel better...

2011-10-18 10:54 AM
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lakeview,

At the pre-race meeting the RD said gloves (with no web) were allowed. So you didn't cheat!

2011-10-18 11:02 AM
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TriBee - 2011-10-18 2:54 PM

lakeview,

At the pre-race meeting the RD said gloves (with no web) were allowed. So you didn't cheat!

Thanks, I knew we all rushed out and bought them that day, but I sure didn't find a reference this year. Man I was sick and about to write the RD telling him to pull down my results.  THX for letting me off the hook!

2011-10-18 1:11 PM
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Several iron newbie questions...please forgive me!
1. On the bike, do you start out with bottles in your cages and then just exchange at the aid stations? Thus, you don't want to have "good" bottles with you because they will be thrown away, right? How do these hand offs work anyway? Do you just throw your old bottle down? I know you can get penalties or even DQ'd for getting rid of things along the way.
2. Will anyone be out on any part of the course on Thursday or Friday? I'd love to have company for some short sessions...especially in the water.
3. I read somewhere (on here?) that the start will be delayed for the sunrise. Do we have any idea how long that will be? It would be nice to know so we can fine tune race morning nutrition.
4. Does anyone carry gels in a flask? I have done this during training and usually mix my gel with a bit of water to thin it a bit. But I worry that this will make it hard to tell how much I've consumed. Any experience with this?

Thank you!!!!

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2011-10-18 1:18 PM
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I plan to swim from the Blockade Runner (about halfway point of the IM swim) to the swim finish around 7:30 or 8 AM Friday the day before the race.

I was wondering how we were going to start in the dark, but I will be pissed if it gets delayed much.  Really would like a shot at finishing in the light of day .

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2011-10-18 1:22 PM
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akbreezo - 2011-10-18 5:11 PM Several iron newbie questions...please forgive me! 1. On the bike, do you start out with bottles in your cages and then just exchange at the aid stations? Thus, you don't want to have "good" bottles with you because they will be thrown away, right? How do these hand offs work anyway? Do you just throw your old bottle down? I know you can get penalties or even DQ'd for getting rid of things along the way. 2. Will anyone be out on any part of the course on Thursday or Friday? I'd love to have company for some short sessions...especially in the water. 3. I read somewhere (on here?) that the start will be delayed for the sunrise. Do we have any idea how long that will be? It would be nice to know so we can fine tune race morning nutrition. 4. Does anyone carry gels in a flask? I have done this during training and usually mix my gel with a bit of water to thin it a bit. But I worry that this will make it hard to tell how much I've consumed. Any experience with this? Thank you!!!! Bree

1. Yes, you'll discard your bottles at the aid station in a designated area, replacing the discards w/fresh bottles from the course.

2.  Not sure about a specific BT group, but there will be plenty of easily identifiable folks on the course.  Lots of folks will be swimming the course.  YOu can find access in front of the Blockade Runner hotel for example. 

3.   Safety concerns will preclude us from starting in the dark. 

4.  I've just used gels & custables last year.  No flask.

Good luck.   

2011-10-18 1:25 PM
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akbreezo - 2011-10-18 2:11 PM Several iron newbie questions...please forgive me! 1. On the bike, do you start out with bottles in your cages and then just exchange at the aid stations? Thus, you don't want to have "good" bottles with you because they will be thrown away, right? How do these hand offs work anyway? Do you just throw your old bottle down? I know you can get penalties or even DQ'd for getting rid of things along the way.

I plan to start with water in my aero bottle and a disposable "sports bottle" from similar to the one below.  I'll add electrolytes of my choice to both.  I'll refill my aero bottle before the bottle exchange, dump the disposable and get a new one.  I realize I end up carrying more than necessary but I want the safety net (yes, not needed in October).

water bottle

2. Will anyone be out on any part of the course on Thursday or Friday? I'd love to have company for some short sessions...especially in the water. 3. I read somewhere (on here?) that the start will be delayed for the sunrise. Do we have any idea how long that will be? It would be nice to know so we can fine tune race morning nutrition.

We'll have to ask at the meetings on Friday.

4. Does anyone carry gels in a flask? I have done this during training and usually mix my gel with a bit of water to thin it a bit. But I worry that this will make it hard to tell how much I've consumed. Any experience with this? Thank you!!!! Bree

Hopefully someone else will help.

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newmansown - 2011-10-18 11:44 AM

I'd swear there was some discussion about this before, but I can't find it.  Sorry to ask it again.

If we don't wear booties, is there someplace to stash an old pair of running shoes at the docks?  Is it worth it given the time to get them on and then off with cold hands and tired muscles?



It's not worth the time...
2011-10-18 6:48 PM
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Good advice. Thank you.
2011-10-18 7:07 PM
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When I do tri's with long runs to T1 or even long walks to the swim start (fearing glass or sharp rocks, rtc.) i use or stash an old pair of flip flops or crocks. You can run in them a short distance and I have no fear if they get lost or picked up as trash while I'm out racing. They look so bad that I've always had no problem finding them post race.


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Anybody interested in a Thursday 7:30 am swim from Blockade Runner to the finish? In the water by 7:30 so gather sooner.
2011-10-18 8:14 PM
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Gloves were legal last year because of the cold. I am not sure what kind of swim booties you all are talking about but I can tell you scuba diving booties are made to go inside a set of fins, therefore they would be bulky and cause drag. I scuba dive and I could not even imagine wearing my 3mm or 5 mm to swim in. I honestly don't think you need this stuff this year.
2011-10-18 10:32 PM
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akbreezo - 2011-10-18 2:11 PM Several iron newbie questions...

3. I read somewhere (on here?) that the start will be delayed for the sunrise. Do we have any idea how long that will be? It would be nice to know so we can fine tune race morning nutrition.

Per www.saltwatertides.com, sunrise will be at 7:28am.  But it get's "light enough" 15-20 minutes before that.  So my guess is start will be 7:05-7:15.

Tides for Masonboro Inlet starting with October 29, 2011.

 Day High Tide Height Sunrise Moon Time

/Low Time Feet Sunset  

29      Low   3:32 AM    -0.4   7:28 AM    Rise 10:40 AM        
29     High  10:06 AM     5.7   6:22 PM     Set  8:51 PM    
29      Low   4:36 PM    -0.1    
29     High  10:29 PM     4.1

 

2011-10-19 4:31 AM
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kenbert61 - 2011-10-18 9:14 PM Gloves were legal last year because of the cold. I am not sure what kind of swim booties you all are talking about but I can tell you scuba diving booties are made to go inside a set of fins, therefore they would be bulky and cause drag. I scuba dive and I could not even imagine wearing my 3mm or 5 mm to swim in. I honestly don't think you need this stuff this year.

I agree with Ken, but if you're gonna go with booties, you would want something like this:

http://www.triathletesports.com/Blue-Seventy-Swim-Socks-p/bs-swmsk.htm

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AtlantaBill - 2011-10-18 11:32 PM

akbreezo - 2011-10-18 2:11 PM Several iron newbie questions...

3. I read somewhere (on here?) that the start will be delayed for the sunrise. Do we have any idea how long that will be? It would be nice to know so we can fine tune race morning nutrition.

Per www.saltwatertides.com, sunrise will be at 7:28am.  But it get's "light enough" 15-20 minutes before that.  So my guess is start will be 7:05-7:15.

Tides for Masonboro Inlet starting with October 29, 2011.

 Day High Tide Height Sunrise Moon Time

/Low Time Feet Sunset  

29      Low   3:32 AM    -0.4   7:28 AM    Rise 10:40 AM        
29     High  10:06 AM     5.7   6:22 PM     Set  8:51 PM    
29      Low   4:36 PM    -0.1    
29     High  10:29 PM     4.1

 

Great info, thanks Bill!  Don't forget your headlamp if you have one for the transition area before the race.



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Anyone ever get knee pain after changing cleats/ pedals?  My old cleats/ pedals were old and worn out, so I had them changed from the old Look Keo style pedal to new Kobe- very similar style pedal and cleat. 

My lbs tried to get the cleats as exact as possible but I am now having medial knee pain on both legs.  I did move the cleats out a bit, so that my feet are in toward the crank more, but haven't ridden since i did that. 

Maybe it's all in my head and part of the taper madness, but it does hurt.  I am worried about riding 112 miles and causing some severe pain for the run and the future. 

Also, I did have the cleats with 4.5 degrees of float, but the new cleats are 9 degrees of float.  Could this be adding to the issue?

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2011-10-19 8:57 AM
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borsenik9 - 2011-10-19 12:40 PM

Anyone ever get knee pain after changing cleats/ pedals?  My old cleats/ pedals were old and worn out, so I had them changed from the old Look Keo style pedal to new Kobe- very similar style pedal and cleat. 

My lbs tried to get the cleats as exact as possible but I am now having medial knee pain on both legs.  I did move the cleats out a bit, so that my feet are in toward the crank more, but haven't ridden since i did that. 

Maybe it's all in my head and part of the taper madness, but it does hurt.  I am worried about riding 112 miles and causing some severe pain for the run and the future. 

Also, I did have the cleats with 4.5 degrees of float, but the new cleats are 9 degrees of float.  Could this be adding to the issue?

thanks

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yikes, why change now?  I'd go back to the old set up.  and yes, I even noticed when I changed shoes only to find out the LBS didn't put my inserts in the new shoes in the same position (had them reversed).  so yes, it can be real discomfort, why jeopardize your race and all the training you've put in?

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Well, I switched because I thought my lbs was competent enough to put the cleats back in the correct place .  Also, my old pedals were making a LOT of noise- like making me want to kill myself noise, especially on long rides.

 

2011-10-19 9:21 AM
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This close to the race I would not change anything (unless it was broken) that could impact fit.
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