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 2011-02-21 1:07 PM in reply to: #3365357 |
Pro  3906     Libertyville, IL |  Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. Or could it be that folks understand you cant keep spending money that isnt there just because of perceptions of what teachers should be paid? Is it possible that the way the union protects the dead weight that it welcomes inefficient use of dollars that could go to good teachers? The private sector has to make these kinds of decisions in their budgets or go under but the public sector tries to make the case of value without looking at the other side of the ledger. Chop out the inefficiency and then see where that gets us. Stop protecting the hangers on that milk the system cuz they know they can. To write this off as folks simply not respecting the occupations is ridiculous. I know some hold that but I am trying to speak here from the reasonable type folks perspective. |
| 2011-02-21 1:15 PM in reply to: #3365381 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: jszat - 2011-02-21 1:07 PM Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. Or could it be that folks understand you cant keep spending money that isnt there just because of perceptions of what teachers should be paid? Is it possible that the way the union protects the dead weight that it welcomes inefficient use of dollars that could go to good teachers? The private sector has to make these kinds of decisions in their budgets or go under but the public sector tries to make the case of value without looking at the other side of the ledger. Chop out the inefficiency and then see where that gets us. Stop protecting the hangers on that milk the system cuz they know they can. To write this off as folks simply not respecting the occupations is ridiculous. I know some hold that but I am trying to speak here from the reasonable type folks perspective.But the person I was responding to, wasn't questioning the inability of school districts to easily shed bad teachers. He wasn't talking about budget issues. He was calling out how much they get paid for "only" having a 9 month school year. I do agree that schools should be able to get rid of poor performing teachers. But how do you gauge that? Some of the best teachers I've ever met, worked with or known have been the teacher who work with at risk kids, special ed kids and poor performing kids. Measuring these teachers by the standardized tests, as has been pushed by NCLB and others would cause the schools to get rid of excellent teachers. This is a discussion for another topic, but just to come clean... I would gladly take an increase in taxes to keep from robbing schools of badly needed funding. Education should be the last thing we touch in balancing our budgets. It should be one of the first we address in policy change. |
| 2011-02-21 1:25 PM in reply to: #3365357 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 1:50 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? And I would bet you are wrong. Then again my sample is fairly small just me and my brother the teacher but we are fairly average in our compensation and make a wage that is fairly comperable to one another. Oh and guess what i have to do continuing ed as well, most teachers do get paid for this as far as I know. |
| 2011-02-21 1:33 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: |
| 2011-02-21 1:48 PM in reply to: #3365433 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-21 2:33 PM Just an F.Y.I. - This thread is staying ahead of TAN #136 in number of posts.  This one has a way better title. |
| 2011-02-21 1:59 PM in reply to: #3365457 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: mrbbrad - 2011-02-22 3:48 AM 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-21 2:33 PM Just an F.Y.I. - This thread is staying ahead of TAN #136 in number of posts. This one has a way better title. It does. It's almost comprehensible. And I'm avidly following this thread and learning a lot and thinking about a lot ... as opposed to ... nothing. Please carry on. It really is fascinating. |
| 2011-02-21 2:02 PM in reply to: #3365357 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? |
| 2011-02-21 2:08 PM in reply to: #3365393 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 11:15 AM jszat - 2011-02-21 1:07 PM But the person I was responding to, wasn't questioning the inability of school districts to easily shed bad teachers. He wasn't talking about budget issues. He was calling out how much they get paid for "only" having a 9 month school year. I do agree that schools should be able to get rid of poor performing teachers. But how do you gauge that? Some of the best teachers I've ever met, worked with or known have been the teacher who work with at risk kids, special ed kids and poor performing kids. Measuring these teachers by the standardized tests, as has been pushed by NCLB and others would cause the schools to get rid of excellent teachers. This is a discussion for another topic, but just to come clean... I would gladly take an increase in taxes to keep from robbing schools of badly needed funding. Education should be the last thing we touch in balancing our budgets. It should be one of the first we address in policy change. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. Or could it be that folks understand you cant keep spending money that isnt there just because of perceptions of what teachers should be paid? Is it possible that the way the union protects the dead weight that it welcomes inefficient use of dollars that could go to good teachers? The private sector has to make these kinds of decisions in their budgets or go under but the public sector tries to make the case of value without looking at the other side of the ledger. Chop out the inefficiency and then see where that gets us. Stop protecting the hangers on that milk the system cuz they know they can. To write this off as folks simply not respecting the occupations is ridiculous. I know some hold that but I am trying to speak here from the reasonable type folks perspective.I just asked the question, made no inference if it was to much or to little, you read into my earlier post what you wanted rather than someone just trying to get a perspective of what the "real pay" they are receiving and how much of the year they were required to work. Is a $100,000 compensation package for a librarian to high? |
| 2011-02-21 2:09 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
Master 1529 Living in the past | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Sorry if you heard this one already and with credit to TMJ4 by way of a unknown contributor to the Chicago Tribune....'So, the Green Bay Packers may be Superbowl champs, but the Wisconsin Democrats have a much better running game..." |
| 2011-02-21 2:14 PM in reply to: #3365433 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-21 1:33 PM Just an F.Y.I. - This thread is staying ahead of TAN #136 in number of posts. Only Phil would post something about post counts in order to increase his post count..... |
| 2011-02-21 2:15 PM in reply to: #3365497 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Force - 2011-02-21 12:09 PM Sorry if you heard this one already and with credit to TMJ4 by way of a unknown contributor to the Chicago Tribune....'So, the Green Bay Packers may be Superbowl champs, but the Wisconsin Democrats have a much better running game..." Thanks, stolen and post on FB!! |
| 2011-02-21 2:21 PM in reply to: #3365483 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... |
| 2011-02-21 2:24 PM in reply to: #3365522 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? |
| 2011-02-21 2:29 PM in reply to: #3365524 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? |
| 2011-02-21 2:34 PM in reply to: #3365533 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: coredump - 2011-02-21 12:29 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? Here is my answer to your what if question. My objection was and is that they have ran and hid like cockroaches with the lights turned on instead of staying and doing their job that the have sworn an oath to do and in the process violating the rules they have sworn an oath to uphold. |
| 2011-02-21 2:35 PM in reply to: #3365543 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:34 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:29 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? Here is my answer to your what if question. My objection was and is that they have ran and hid like cockroaches with the lights turned on instead of staying and doing their job that the have sworn an oath to do and in the process violating the rules they have sworn an oath to uphold. So that is a yes? |
| 2011-02-21 2:37 PM in reply to: #3365509 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Birkierunner - 2011-02-21 2:14 PM 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-21 1:33 PM Just an F.Y.I. - This thread is staying ahead of TAN #136 in number of posts. Only Phil would post something about post counts in order to increase his post count..... Why do you hate post counts? |
| 2011-02-21 2:38 PM in reply to: #3365546 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: coredump - 2011-02-21 12:35 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:34 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:29 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? Here is my answer to your what if question. My objection was and is that they have ran and hid like cockroaches with the lights turned on instead of staying and doing their job that the have sworn an oath to do and in the process violating the rules they have sworn an oath to uphold. So that is a yes? It is what it is. What if the remaning legislators went ahead and passed the bill without a quorum, I mean what do we really care about rules and constituions for, would you be ok with that? |
| 2011-02-21 2:41 PM in reply to: #3365555 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:38 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:35 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:34 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:29 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? Here is my answer to your what if question. My objection was and is that they have ran and hid like cockroaches with the lights turned on instead of staying and doing their job that the have sworn an oath to do and in the process violating the rules they have sworn an oath to uphold. So that is a yes? It is what it is. What if the remaning legislators went ahead and passed the bill without a quorum, I mean what do we really care about rules and constituions for, would you be ok with that? Is it a yes or a no? |
| 2011-02-21 2:46 PM in reply to: #3365562 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: coredump - 2011-02-21 2:41 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:38 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:35 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:34 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:29 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:24 PM coredump - 2011-02-21 12:21 PM crusevegas - 2011-02-21 2:02 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 10:50 AM crusevegas - 2011-02-19 9:54 AM I thought this thread was a about the state budget. Not "are teachers over paid". Yes, teachers are only teaching 9 months out of the year. But they have mandatory continuing education that is often not paid by the school (their employer) so they are forced to pay for schooling that they must take during their "vacation." The amount of continuing education makes it pretty ridiculous to not earn a masters degree for any teacher entering the profession now. How much do typical masters degree holders get paid? I would bet that it is more then the average salary of teachers. Questioning teacher compensation speaks to the general public's lack of respect for teachers and understanding for how much work good teachers put into teaching. The job isn't 7:30 to 3:30. That is just when they teach. Lesson planning and grading have to take place outside the school day. Continuing education (as mandated by the state's DOE) must take place outside the school day as well. We don't compensate teachers well enough. What would a self employed person need to earn to have the same level of compensation as the average teacher in WI? ie with all the benefits and compensaton included for the teacher what is their annual compensation package. Do teacher in WI work 12 months a year? So it's none of our business how much a teach being compensated by tax dollars is paid? Sounds like you are basically saying we should just shut up and pay em. I think that attitude is what's lead to the place were in today. Speaking of good teachers where does WI rank in education in the US? I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you several pages back... I asked you earlier what the question was? It was only 2 pages back, but here you go: If a method of filibuster ( other than denying a quorum ) were permitted in the rules adopted by the WI senate, would you withdraw your objections to the act of the democratic senators to block a vote from taking place? Here is my answer to your what if question. My objection was and is that they have ran and hid like cockroaches with the lights turned on instead of staying and doing their job that the have sworn an oath to do and in the process violating the rules they have sworn an oath to uphold. So that is a yes? It is what it is. What if the remaning legislators went ahead and passed the bill without a quorum, I mean what do we really care about rules and constituions for, would you be ok with that? Is it a yes or a no? Let me sleep on it. Baby, baby, let me sleep on it. Let me sleep on it, and I'll give you an answer in the morning. |
| 2011-02-21 2:58 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: OK even I am getting tired of watching CD and CV do this dance. Can we agree to not answer a question with a question anymore? (and maybe snip the quoted text when it gets to be 1/2 a page long) Wait.. was that a question? |
| 2011-02-21 3:04 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 12:50 PM We don't compensate teachers well enough. Then how do we have so many teachers? If they weren't being paid enough, wouldn't they move into other fields? My wife is in school getting her second degree to be a teacher and we know to expect she will not make a large amount of money. There have been many teacher openings that have attracted more than 100 applicants, for a single opening. |
| 2011-02-21 3:05 PM in reply to: #3365369 |
Veteran 355 Lakewood Ranch, Florida | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: graceful_dave - 2011-02-21 1:57 PM Luby162 - 2011-02-21 11:47 AM The reason our medical coverage is not as expensive as private sector is because we get a group rate, yes 10,000 firefighter and 25,000 cops and 100,000 teachers get a pretty good group rate. My wife worked for a company with 250,000 employees. That is right, 115,000 more employees than your group. She paid less than anyone in private sector that we know. She paid less than with any of the other employers her or I have worked at. It was the best insurance we have had since moving in together after college. She paid more than any public worker I know for health insurance, and it wasn't nearly as good as what my parent's received from my mom's county job. Saying that your coverage is inexpensive because of group rates is ridiculous. I will say, I think you (the collective you... public servants) deserve it. Just don't kid yourself that you get it because of group rates.Just telling you what we have been told by unions and insurance companies " your rates are so low because you get a superior group rate " |
| 2011-02-21 3:06 PM in reply to: #3365589 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: TriRSquared - 2011-02-21 2:58 PM OK even I am getting tired of watching CD and CV do this dance. Can we agree to not answer a question with a question anymore? (and maybe snip the quoted text when it gets to be 1/2 a page long) Wait.. was that a question? I thought it was "May we agree ...?". |
| 2011-02-21 3:08 PM in reply to: #3365287 |
Veteran 355 Lakewood Ranch, Florida | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: JSA - 2011-02-21 1:11 PM Luby162 - 2011-02-21 11:47 AM mrbbrad - 2011-02-21 11:49 AM I don't want any beer, but I see no reason why the state should not treat their workers like most companies do. I have NEVER received a "cost of living" increase, and I contribute plenty for my benefits. It bothers me to read that pro union protesters are busing in from all over the country. I've never been a fan of unions in the modern era. There was a time and a place, and maybe there still is, but not like they exist today. No employer should be forced to keep a worker or a job that has outlived it's purpose or usefulness. Sorry, I think most of these views are anti city workers and really have no merit. Yes, i am a NYCity Firefighter for 15 years and i think wisconsin needs to fight the fight so that it does not go from state to state, and it will... We do pay into our pensions and yes, we do pay for our medical coverage just like you do, albeit not as much as you do but we do pay into it. The union is there to help and protect us. They negotiate contracts with the city on our behalf. The reason our medical coverage is not as expensive as private sector is because we get a group rate, yes 10,000 firefighter and 25,000 cops and 100,000 teachers get a pretty good group rate..So, you beleive that cops, Firefighters and teachers are no longer needed and have outlived their usefellness ??? Until the day where a house goes on fire and the kids inside are waiting for someone to come inside and get them or when you are being chased by a gunned madman or want to go and get your kids the best education possible then you will be that it took us too long to respond to the scene.. We do not get cost of living increases we get negotiated contracts... and i have not gotten a raise in 15 years...have you ??? thought so... Every increase we get we have to give something up in exchange, do you ??? thought not...If we get an increase of 3% which i would be happy with we have to give up vacation days or work an extra shift or pay more to our pension so...how is this a raise ??? it is not !!! when i am at work for 24 hrs at a time, barely getting any rest... and, oh yeah i may get killed rescuing your behind.... remind me again how many private sector jobs get killed in the line of duty ?????? and you about us union members sticking together !!! pathetic !!! Nyc firefighters and cops are dying every day from the toxins at the WTC but you say i should pay into my medical coverage just like you do, huh ?? So, i will ask again, how many of your colleagues have died of cancer from work they do on a daily basis that people like you want us to pay for our own medical costs !!!unbeleivable!!! Remember the saying 9/11/01.... never forget... well, america has surely forgotten !!!! With all due respect - this bill is about public workers in WI and the bill exempts police and fire. Does that change your position in any way? Here in NYC it includes all of us and if one union takes a 3% pay raise good luck getting anymore than that.. So, no it would not change my opinion. |
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