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2012-07-23 12:23 PM
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to guage what my race will be like compared to others, but to see a course do something like that to someone I would "think" is in better shape than me has me wondering.

Watching last night's feed I noticed a bunch of fit looking dudes finishing close to the cutoff.  I guess anything can happen out there.



2012-07-23 1:27 PM
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cjhild - 2012-07-23 12:23 PM

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to guage what my race will be like compared to others, but to see a course do something like that to someone I would "think" is in better shape than me has me wondering.

Watching last night's feed I noticed a bunch of fit looking dudes finishing close to the cutoff.  I guess anything can happen out there.

 

You never know what can happen on the course.  Weather can be a factor that can then affect your nutrition.  Nutrition that worked in training for some reason doesn't work in the race.  Maybe someone is well trained and then gets injured right before the race.  Maybe they went out too hard on the bike and ended up walking the marathon.  All you can do is get your training in, practice your nutrition and hope that you can execute well on race day.

2012-07-23 7:02 PM
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TL2 - 2012-07-23 8:52 AM So I hit a wall mid-last week and decided to take a couple days off. Spent the weekend enjoying the time with my wife and boys as they wake up instead of being out on the bike or running. Feel 100% better today and had a nice swim this AM. Ready to start putting the miles back on. My wife is due to have our 3rd kid on August 28th, so I am going to try and build bike miles over the next 2 weeks before I have to go into continuous loop mode so I can ensure I am only 15-20 minutes from the house during those last few weeks. (I signed up for this about a month before she got pregnant) So let's just say the next couple of months will get really interesting. I spent some time last night watching the IMLP finishers come in during the last 15 minutes of the race. That was a ton of motivation right there.

 

Could that wall you hit be the ridiculously hot Summer we're having in CO?? Well.....hot by Colorado standards. Good luck with the new kiddo.

2012-07-25 12:19 PM
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Been trying to find a route to replicate IMAZ as best as possible and this is what I came up with.

The nice thing is I OWS in this lake every couple weeks so I could do a swim-bike brick her as well. Nice thing is I'd be able to park my car there and do bottle exchanges every loop or so.

Each loop is slightly shorter than AZ, and the hill is about twice as steep, but training here will make race day easy.

Pretty much every where else we have short rolling hills, nothing to really similate the long false flat so I'll do my best with this.

Check it out if ya want.

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/117268585

2012-07-25 2:59 PM
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Check it out if ya want.

All I could get was your private profile, not the map you created.  I'm in the same boat, the longer rides I can do around my house have a lot more elevation gain than IMAZ.  I would prefer to simulate the actual course instead of having a bunch of climbing.  I know the climbing will make you stronger and all that but I'd still like to simulate the actual course a little more.

2012-07-25 4:23 PM
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cjhild - 2012-07-25 2:59 PM
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Check it out if ya want.

All I could get was your private profile, not the map you created.  I'm in the same boat, the longer rides I can do around my house have a lot more elevation gain than IMAZ.  I would prefer to simulate the actual course instead of having a bunch of climbing.  I know the climbing will make you stronger and all that but I'd still like to simulate the actual course a little more.

 

Link should be working for anyone now. Yeah it's tough around here, mostly rollers that you can carry speed into and not slow down too much, I compared course this morning and trying to go off memory I think IMAZ from about mile 3-14 it was around 14ft per mile gain, then from 14 to 18.5it was about 57 ft per mile, my course is about 10 ft per mile for the first 13, then from 13-16 about 107 ft per mile.



2012-07-25 6:56 PM
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Well, my training had been going really well, I think, but I have hit my first significant setback.  My Achilles, which I normally have to be somewhat careful with, has really flared up.  Going to have to shut the run down for some time to let it calm down.  Can still bike and swim, so hopefully won't be too much of a setback.  Was planning on starting some longer runs soon, but now won't be able to.  Not much I can do about it, so it is what it is.  Just needed to be able to say it out loud somewhere to really make it real.  I know its best for me, but it is so hard to back off right now.  This makes November feel really close.
2012-07-25 7:00 PM
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kmac1346 - 2012-07-25 4:56 PM Well, my training had been going really well, I think, but I have hit my first significant setback.  My Achilles, which I normally have to be somewhat careful with, has really flared up.  Going to have to shut the run down for some time to let it calm down.  Can still bike and swim, so hopefully won't be too much of a setback.  Was planning on starting some longer runs soon, but now won't be able to.  Not much I can do about it, so it is what it is.  Just needed to be able to say it out loud somewhere to really make it real.  I know its best for me, but it is so hard to back off right now.  This makes November feel really close.

 

I've been struggling with the exact same issues that you are...Just getting back into running recently. Still under 5 miles and averaging about 9:40/mile...It will get there.

And if not, I'll have a nice walk on Nov. 18th...

2012-07-25 7:30 PM
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Sorry to hear about the running injuries, but I suppose some of that is inevitable. I had some shin pain after running hard in a Sprint this weekend, but it seems to be fading. This was the annual meet-up for my BT mentor group, and I actually took 3rd in my AG- first time on the podium for tri! Very unexpected; probably a result of my increased focus on bike training and- let's face it- a less competitive field than what I'm used to here in PHX!
2012-07-25 7:52 PM
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I spent several laps in the pool today pondering this question:  When I finish IMAZ, will the official race clock above my head read my time or the time elapsed from the pro start, which is like 10 minutes before us?  At what point do they switch it?  The clock reads the proper time when the first handful of finishers cross in all the videos I've watched, do they then bump it down to the proper time for all the age groupers?
2012-07-25 9:30 PM
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They change the clock to the AG mass start time about 9 hours and change into the race.  Some of the uberfast AG'ers will finish with the pro clock time but 99% of us will have the AG time.


2012-07-26 12:09 PM
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I'm nursing a calf strain this week. I had a long run on Sunday and had to turn around quick to get my swim in before going to a wedding that night.  My legs were cramping like crazy through the whole swim, but I powered through it.  I woke up on Monday with a huge knot and a lot of pain to work through.  I've been wearing a calf sleeve nonstop, using self massage with muscle rub creams and icing it.  I replaced my runs yesterday and this morning with a core workout sessions and light stretching.  The knot was worked out by Tuesday and the pain has decreased significantly everyday.

 

I have a 20 minute run off the bike on Saturday that I think I will do, but with caution.  After that I'll decide what to do about a mid distance run on Sunday. 

2012-07-26 12:52 PM
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Looks like a lot of us are dealing with injuries right about now. I had some serious pain on the bottom of my foot after my HIM on July 15. It was so bad I couldn't put any pressure on it or walk. I was scared to death it was a stress fracture and went to the doctor ASAP. Thankfully it turned out to just be a soft tissue strain and I have spent the last week nursing it back to health. Lots of ice and *painful* self massage. Starting Tuesday there has been no pain to walk on it and I have done two 1 mile runs with no pain. Problem is...I have an Oly this weekend. I'm debating what to do. I'm thinking I will definitely do the swim and bike and then if it starts hurting on the run I will drop out. It's not an important race for me so I don't want to risk setting myself further back.

I hope everyone heals up quickly! There's still plenty of time until IMAZ...no need to worry!

2012-07-26 2:10 PM
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Also having some calf/achilles issues.  I think it's because I've been running on concrete a lot more than usual.  Dumb mistake.  I switched to the ellipitical machine as a substitute for my runs.  NO, it's not the same thing but the motion comes close to a running type motion without straining the calves/shins/achilles.  And it allows me to get the HR up so at least I have another method for cardio training besides bike/swim.

I did something similar in 2010 just before the Disney marathon.  About 5 weeks prior to race day I had terrible shin splints develop.  For the last 5 weeks of training I did NOTHING but elliptical.  I ended up with a PR at the Disney marathon, and a pain free run.  So this may not be as bad as you think.

For what it's worth.

2012-07-26 3:12 PM
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It's my understanding that most of the run at IMAZ is on concrete, so you may want to build up some tolerance for running on the hard stuff (I hate it too).

 

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croyston - 2012-07-26 1:12 PM

It's my understanding that most of the run at IMAZ is on concrete, so you may want to build up some tolerance for running on the hard stuff (I hate it too).

 

I was going to say the same thing.  Race day is pretty much all sidewalks and roads which you will be on when your muscles are already pooped.  There's also a lot of stepping up and down curbs. 



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It's my understanding that most of the run at IMAZ is on concrete, so you may want to build up some tolerance for running on the hard stuff (I hate it too).

 

I was going to say the same thing.  Race day is pretty much all sidewalks and roads which you will be on when your muscles are already pooped.  There's also a lot of stepping up and down curbs. 

The curbs don't jump out in my memory from last year, to be honest.  But I do remember some of the steep sections that go from the road down to the path or the path up to the roads.  The down was the worst because it requred so much strength on tired legs to check your weight - at least that's what I remember.  That, and the "longish" hill when you leave the park area.  Or the mental anguish of passing the finish line chute to go out on the third lap.  It's torture.

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Good thing I do most of my runs on concrete, Im still trying to figure out how to prepare for the temp of the swim.....any suggestions?
2012-07-26 9:10 PM
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I have a weird question for Arizona veterans. I know it will probably be hot during the day and I'm used to that. What I am also used to is really high humidity and sweat pouring down my face stinging and burning my eyes. I'm wondering with the dry air in AZ if you sweat a lot. More specifically, do athletes have sweat pouring down their faces and bodies causing soaking wet clothes, shoes and everything else? It would be nice to not have to deal with sweat pouring down my face and into my eyes on the bike and running in wet shoes.
2012-07-27 12:51 AM
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mndiver - 2012-07-26 8:10 PMI have a weird question for Arizona veterans. I know it will probably be hot during the day and I'm used to that. What I am also used to is really high humidity and sweat pouring down my face stinging and burning my eyes. I'm wondering with the dry air in AZ if you sweat a lot. More specifically, do athletes have sweat pouring down their faces and bodies causing soaking wet clothes, shoes and everything else? It would be nice to not have to deal with sweat pouring down my face and into my eyes on the bike and running in wet shoes.
No, I think the sweat evaporates before it even leaves your pores. About 10-11 months out of the year here, you can convince yourself that you don't even sweat. Only for a few weeks in the summer does the humidity rise enough to be noticeable. Surprises me every time when I see trickles on my skin!
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Jorgito22 - 2012-07-26 8:16 PM Good thing I do most of my runs on concrete, Im still trying to figure out how to prepare for the temp of the swim.....any suggestions?

 

The cold water temp is my biggest concern at the moment.  I absolutely HATE cold water.  I plan to start swimming at Barton Springs soon (a spring fed natural pool with a constant 68 degree water temp).  I will start with a wetsuit, but lots of people swim in it all summer in bathing suits.  I figure if I can get to where I'm comfortable with that, then I'll be ok in colder water with a wetsuit.  

I've heard that wearing two swim caps and using ear plugs help, but I have not done this and can't comment on it's effectiveness.



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I wore a neoprene head cover for the swim last year.  It is a must!  I decided to forego the booties.  rethinking that for this time around.  I put a bunch of vaseline on my hands and feet as it is an effective cold blocker when running in Minnesota winters, but the vaseline washed off about halfway through the swim and I froze the rest of the way.  Of course, it took me two hours to swim so if you are a good swimmer, you can be nearly done before the vaseline succumbs to the water's forces

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I forgot how cold is the water temp. For noobs to neoprene caps I would be hesitant and practice with it. I did Alcatraz this year 55F, and took it off 5 min into it. From my experiance I have bonked most cold swims when I have not practiced in it in advance. So what on the agenda this weekend.
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I used the standard cap for the swim and felt fine...  If we are taking a poll.

I don't plan to do much different this time around.

2012-07-27 12:20 PM
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Water will be warmer than the air temp, so you will actually feel warmer once you jump in (at least it was for me).  Waiting for the anthem is the cold part

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