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![]() brigby1 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM tri808 - 2013-05-15 6:03 PM marcag - 2013-05-15 9:37 AM tri808 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM Let me know when the running conversation ends and we can start talking about power and aerodynamics. But races are won and lost on the run :-) Who said anything about winning races. We bike for show...and last I checked, none of you were winning any prize money from your running...so you run for nothing! HAH! Prize money, no. Discounts and trophies, yes. I only race for jackets. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri808 - 2013-05-15 7:11 PM brigby1 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM tri808 - 2013-05-15 6:03 PM marcag - 2013-05-15 9:37 AM tri808 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM Let me know when the running conversation ends and we can start talking about power and aerodynamics. But races are won and lost on the run :-) Who said anything about winning races. We bike for show...and last I checked, none of you were winning any prize money from your running...so you run for nothing! HAH! Prize money, no. Discounts and trophies, yes. I only race for jackets. meh, those jackets tend to be awful for actual use. Now a platypus on the other hand ... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-05-15 7:56 PM tri808 - 2013-05-15 6:03 PM marcag - 2013-05-15 9:37 AM tri808 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM Let me know when the running conversation ends and we can start talking about power and aerodynamics. But races are won and lost on the run :-) Who said anything about winning races. We bike for show...and last I checked, none of you were winning any prize money from your running...so you run for nothing! HAH! Prize money, no. Discounts and trophies, yes. And speaking of tropies - check out the one my wife won in Knoxville: A group of us that train and race together have had "The Trophy" for 22 years now. Anytime there are at least two of us in a multisport race together it is an official "Trophy Race." Each trophy race is preceded by weeks of smack talk and sandbagging and a fair bit of haggling over handicaps. While I had the fastest time of all of us in Knoxville, the Trophy Rules Committee awarded it to JT just for completing the 70.3 in such awful conditions. It was a unanimous decision - she rocked it. And yes, it does indeed say "The Champion" on the bottom. |
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![]() | ![]() nice trophy. but is that a picture of margaritas and a bottle of wine??? Is the hat part of the prize? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TankBoy - 2013-05-15 8:24 PM brigby1 - 2013-05-15 7:56 PM tri808 - 2013-05-15 6:03 PM marcag - 2013-05-15 9:37 AM tri808 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM Let me know when the running conversation ends and we can start talking about power and aerodynamics. But races are won and lost on the run :-) Who said anything about winning races. We bike for show...and last I checked, none of you were winning any prize money from your running...so you run for nothing! HAH! Prize money, no. Discounts and trophies, yes. And speaking of tropies - check out the one my wife won in Knoxville: A group of us that train and race together have had "The Trophy" for 22 years now. Anytime there are at least two of us in a multisport race together it is an official "Trophy Race." Each trophy race is preceded by weeks of smack talk and sandbagging and a fair bit of haggling over handicaps. While I had the fastest time of all of us in Knoxville, the Trophy Rules Committee awarded it to JT just for completing the 70.3 in such awful conditions. It was a unanimous decision - she rocked it. And yes, it does indeed say "The Champion" on the bottom. That hat is definitely aero.
Nicely done!! Congrats to the Champion. Matt |
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![]() | ![]() Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TankBoy - 2013-05-15 8:24 PM brigby1 - 2013-05-15 7:56 PM tri808 - 2013-05-15 6:03 PM marcag - 2013-05-15 9:37 AM tri808 - 2013-05-15 1:56 PM Let me know when the running conversation ends and we can start talking about power and aerodynamics. But races are won and lost on the run :-) Who said anything about winning races. We bike for show...and last I checked, none of you were winning any prize money from your running...so you run for nothing! HAH! Prize money, no. Discounts and trophies, yes. And speaking of tropies - check out the one my wife won in Knoxville: A group of us that train and race together have had "The Trophy" for 22 years now. Anytime there are at least two of us in a multisport race together it is an official "Trophy Race." Each trophy race is preceded by weeks of smack talk and sandbagging and a fair bit of haggling over handicaps. While I had the fastest time of all of us in Knoxville, the Trophy Rules Committee awarded it to JT just for completing the 70.3 in such awful conditions. It was a unanimous decision - she rocked it. And yes, it does indeed say "The Champion" on the bottom. Sweet trophy! Congrats to your wife, that day looked miserable. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bzgl40 - 2013-05-16 9:01 AM Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. I'll see +/-15-20 from whatever I'm trying to hold quite a bit, also with 3 sec smoothing. It's not going to look flat like a Trainer road target profile. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've been torn this week as to whether to sign up for a Triathlon or not. I had planned on racing the Oly in a couple of weeks....we are going up north that weekend to camp and I am signed up for a relay on the Sunday with my husband and his friend (I'm the swimmer- they were desperate!)...there's an Oly on Saturday, but my run has really sucked lately. I'm also just making it to the pool twice a week...it's totally my own fault, I am just enjoying my bike so much these days. As an example, today I got up and got the TT bike out, ended up running into some friends and riding with them. I haven't done any Tri specific workouts lately.... I have been on the TT bike twice in the past month, and that includes the Sprint Tri. All my rides have been group rides (I'm lucky that I have various groups to ride with 7 days a week here). I could totally do the Oly just to finish but it's $150 and the idea of just hanging out with my friends and spectating appeals more. My knees don't feel great these days and I have some significant strength imbalances. My plan had been to work on these issues over the summer and rebuild my run. Now I am rethinking things and planning to just do cycling races this Fall. I just don't enjoy swimming over 2000yds. Anyways...just thinking out loud here and debating if I should just step away from triathlon for a while. I truly don't miss racing at all and get way more enjoyment out of just riding my bike. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-05-16 11:45 AM bzgl40 - 2013-05-16 9:01 AM Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. I'll see +/-15-20 from whatever I'm trying to hold quite a bit, also with 3 sec smoothing. It's not going to look flat like a Trainer road target profile. Yup, that sounds about right for me too. 3s will jump around a bit, 30s is pretty steady, lap power is very stable (after a minute or so). |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-05-16 12:00 PM I've been torn this week as to whether to sign up for a Triathlon or not. I had planned on racing the Oly in a couple of weeks....we are going up north that weekend to camp and I am signed up for a relay on the Sunday with my husband and his friend (I'm the swimmer- they were desperate!)...there's an Oly on Saturday, but my run has really sucked lately. I'm also just making it to the pool twice a week...it's totally my own fault, I am just enjoying my bike so much these days. As an example, today I got up and got the TT bike out, ended up running into some friends and riding with them. I haven't done any Tri specific workouts lately.... I have been on the TT bike twice in the past month, and that includes the Sprint Tri. All my rides have been group rides (I'm lucky that I have various groups to ride with 7 days a week here). I could totally do the Oly just to finish but it's $150 and the idea of just hanging out with my friends and spectating appeals more. My knees don't feel great these days and I have some significant strength imbalances. My plan had been to work on these issues over the summer and rebuild my run. Now I am rethinking things and planning to just do cycling races this Fall. I just don't enjoy swimming over 2000yds. Anyways...just thinking out loud here and debating if I should just step away from triathlon for a while. I truly don't miss racing at all and get way more enjoyment out of just riding my bike. As I was reading, I was thinking "just do the friggin' race already |
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![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-05-16 8:00 AM My knees don't feel great these days and I have some significant strength imbalances. My plan had been to work on these issues over the summer and rebuild my run. Now I am rethinking things and planning to just do cycling races this Fall. I just don't enjoy swimming over 2000yds. Anyways...just thinking out loud here and debating if I should just step away from triathlon for a while. I truly don't miss racing at all and get way more enjoyment out of just riding my bike. Live is short, do what you like the most. Nothing wrong with focusing on the bike at all as you clearly are loving it. It'll probably be a long time before I do another tri cause although I like doing them I want my training to be simple. Up until the move to Payson swimming has been super easy (as in easy to get the pool, my swim itself sucks). Now it turns out to be impossible and in Cottonwood will probably be more trouble then it is worth to me. So I mostly run, bike when motiviated (despite that being my favoriate thing), and strength train. And I haven't raced in forever, yet I am not lacking motiviation at all to get out there every day. As long as you still have your motivation I'd stick with what your doing as it is clearly working |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2013-05-16 8:29 AM riorio - 2013-05-16 12:00 PM As I was reading, I was thinking "just do the friggin' race already I do like to be told to HTFU and do stuff There's a big Tri going on here in Tempe this weekend and the Oly is $130.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-05-16 11:39 AM axteraa - 2013-05-16 8:29 AM riorio - 2013-05-16 12:00 PM As I was reading, I was thinking "just do the friggin' race already I do like to be told to HTFU and do stuff There's a big Tri going on here in Tempe this weekend and the Oly is $130.
Sally, I agree with Kim. Do what you enjoy. It's a hobby. Oly's around here are $140 for bigger events. Sprints are $120. Smaller events are around $90 and are often the same price regardless of distance. Open water swims today otoh appear to be running the cost of a new bumper. Early this morning I was up at a lake house that our club uses for OWS. In the process of moving cars so that I could get out, I backed someone's minivan into a retaining wall. Thankfully no bikes on back. Won't know until she sends me the estimate but I figure I'm in for the cost of entry level carbon. Edited by kcarroll 2013-05-16 11:00 AM |
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![]() I'm not doing an oly this year because early sing up went to $110. I'd pay $80 for that race, but I understand why they jacked the price up. Th ey still get a lot of people to register, so wh not? The race isn't that well run imo though. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bzgl40 - 2013-05-15 9:17 PM nice trophy. but is that a picture of margaritas and a bottle of wine??? Is the hat part of the prize? Oh, yes! While some people train and race for medals, trophies, discount certificates, jackets, the occasional prize money, etc. we mostly just race for wine and margaritas. Oh, and beer. We will race for beer as well. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() riorio - 2013-05-16 11:00 AM I've been torn this week as to whether to sign up for a Triathlon or not. I had planned on racing the Oly in a couple of weeks....we are going up north that weekend to camp and I am signed up for a relay on the Sunday with my husband and his friend (I'm the swimmer- they were desperate!)...there's an Oly on Saturday, but my run has really sucked lately. I'm also just making it to the pool twice a week...it's totally my own fault, I am just enjoying my bike so much these days. As an example, today I got up and got the TT bike out, ended up running into some friends and riding with them. I haven't done any Tri specific workouts lately.... I have been on the TT bike twice in the past month, and that includes the Sprint Tri. All my rides have been group rides (I'm lucky that I have various groups to ride with 7 days a week here). I could totally do the Oly just to finish but it's $150 and the idea of just hanging out with my friends and spectating appeals more. My knees don't feel great these days and I have some significant strength imbalances. My plan had been to work on these issues over the summer and rebuild my run. Now I am rethinking things and planning to just do cycling races this Fall. I just don't enjoy swimming over 2000yds. Anyways...just thinking out loud here and debating if I should just step away from triathlon for a while. I truly don't miss racing at all and get way more enjoyment out of just riding my bike. Well, if you are like most of us and only train because of the misery, pain, suffering, and general unhappiness it brings to our lives, then of COURSE you have to sign up for the race, no matter the financial cost (the more the better, actually!). If, on the other hand you are an outlier and only train and race for the sheer joy and happiness it brings, well then, you just go ahead and be that way. Seriously Sally, the obvious answer is in your post. Just get out and ride and don't worry about it! Besides, we can always run it by the SBR Utopia Bylaws Committee, but I am pretty sure SBR stands for Swim, Bike, OR Run, not Swim, Bike, AND Run. So you should be all good here. Jason, can you get the committee together for an official ruling? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2013-05-16 11:27 AM brigby1 - 2013-05-16 11:45 AM bzgl40 - 2013-05-16 9:01 AM Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. I'll see +/-15-20 from whatever I'm trying to hold quite a bit, also with 3 sec smoothing. It's not going to look flat like a Trainer road target profile. Yup, that sounds about right for me too. 3s will jump around a bit, 30s is pretty steady, lap power is very stable (after a minute or so). Same here - I typically have at least two readings showing simultaneously depending on the workout. Very often 3s and lap when on the road. On the trainer I can obviously do much better keeping it smooth and will usually have it on 1s power and try to work to keep it from dipping or spiking too much. FWIW from the files I have seen it looks like folks that have relatively high power to weight ratios have a much easier time maintaining a tight power profile than us small, weak-arse people, especially when riding on variable terrain. I saw a base zone file from my coach a while back (around 4.9 W/Kg at the time, I think) and it was virtually a flat line on a fairly hilly course.... |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2013-05-14 1:14 PM GoFaster - 2013-05-14 2:48 PM axteraa - 2013-05-14 12:05 PM marcag - 2013-05-14 11:35 AM axteraa - 2013-05-14 6:58 AM I had a good trainer ride this morning and will be doing a tough run workout at lunch. I'm thinking I didn't bring enough food with me to eat over the day... What is the tough run workout ? I did mile repeats Saturday. They hurt. 4 x 1000 @ I-pace (~4:05/km for me) with 400m recovery. I've done lots of T pace and some R pace, that's the first time for I pace. It hurt - especially the first one! Agreed on the first one - it's the same on the bike. I can never get the legs going for the first interval, even with a warmup that has harder efforts in it. Just wondering - can you tell us what the differences are in pace/km between your T,R,I paces - and what will you do your recovery at? It's based on a Vdot of 47. http://www.attackpoint.org/trainingpaces.jsp?eqdist=5000&vdot=47 R pace is ~3:45/km, I pace is 4:07, T pace is 4:28. Recovery today was 400 meters ez Something I meant to point out on that site is that it will give I-Pace values for all the distances listed, whereas a site like Runbayou will blank out ones that take longer than 5 minutes. If we go (way) back to the Daniels article about intervals, he liked up to 5 minutes for I-pace intervals. Shorter was ok, but longer would likely be too hard to keep up that pace, so you'd end up doing fewer intervals (so less total time at the saturation point) or would have to run slower thereby not ever actually achieving that saturation condition. Put another way, none of us are actually fast enough to really be able to do that type of workout using mile repeats. Some can use 1200m, but for others it wouldn't fit right. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TankBoy - 2013-05-16 12:25 PM axteraa - 2013-05-16 11:27 AM brigby1 - 2013-05-16 11:45 AM bzgl40 - 2013-05-16 9:01 AM Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. I'll see +/-15-20 from whatever I'm trying to hold quite a bit, also with 3 sec smoothing. It's not going to look flat like a Trainer road target profile. Yup, that sounds about right for me too. 3s will jump around a bit, 30s is pretty steady, lap power is very stable (after a minute or so). Same here - I typically have at least two readings showing simultaneously depending on the workout. Very often 3s and lap when on the road. On the trainer I can obviously do much better keeping it smooth and will usually have it on 1s power and try to work to keep it from dipping or spiking too much. FWIW from the files I have seen it looks like folks that have relatively high power to weight ratios have a much easier time maintaining a tight power profile than us small, weak-arse people, especially when riding on variable terrain. I saw a base zone file from my coach a while back (around 4.9 W/Kg at the time, I think) and it was virtually a flat line on a fairly hilly course.... Your coach is boring ... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-05-16 1:32 PM TankBoy - 2013-05-16 12:25 PM axteraa - 2013-05-16 11:27 AM brigby1 - 2013-05-16 11:45 AM bzgl40 - 2013-05-16 9:01 AM Stage 5 done. My legs are officially toast. Squats before hand probably didn't help. for those who ride with power, how good are you at keeping it steady? My power is all over the place. I am using 3 second smoothing. I'll see +/-15-20 from whatever I'm trying to hold quite a bit, also with 3 sec smoothing. It's not going to look flat like a Trainer road target profile. Yup, that sounds about right for me too. 3s will jump around a bit, 30s is pretty steady, lap power is very stable (after a minute or so). Same here - I typically have at least two readings showing simultaneously depending on the workout. Very often 3s and lap when on the road. On the trainer I can obviously do much better keeping it smooth and will usually have it on 1s power and try to work to keep it from dipping or spiking too much. FWIW from the files I have seen it looks like folks that have relatively high power to weight ratios have a much easier time maintaining a tight power profile than us small, weak-arse people, especially when riding on variable terrain. I saw a base zone file from my coach a while back (around 4.9 W/Kg at the time, I think) and it was virtually a flat line on a fairly hilly course.... Your coach is boring ... Lord, Ben, if only you knew just exactly how right you are.... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brigby1 - 2013-05-16 2:31 PM Something I meant to point out on that site is that it will give I-Pace values for all the distances listed, whereas a site like Runbayou will blank out ones that take longer than 5 minutes. If we go (way) back to the Daniels article about intervals, he liked up to 5 minutes for I-pace intervals. Shorter was ok, but longer would likely be too hard to keep up that pace, so you'd end up doing fewer intervals (so less total time at the saturation point) or would have to run slower thereby not ever actually achieving that saturation condition. Put another way, none of us are actually fast enough to really be able to do that type of workout using mile repeats. Some can use 1200m, but for others it wouldn't fit right. I only have one issue with that site. It doesn't give me a pace per km for M-pace, only miles and I'm too lazy to convert it. The rest of the paces have metric values. #CanadianProblems |
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![]() TankBoy - 2013-05-16 7:07 AM riorio - 2013-05-16 11:00 AM I've been torn this week as to whether to sign up for a Triathlon or not. I had planned on racing the Oly in a couple of weeks....we are going up north that weekend to camp and I am signed up for a relay on the Sunday with my husband and his friend (I'm the swimmer- they were desperate!)...there's an Oly on Saturday, but my run has really sucked lately. I'm also just making it to the pool twice a week...it's totally my own fault, I am just enjoying my bike so much these days. As an example, today I got up and got the TT bike out, ended up running into some friends and riding with them. I haven't done any Tri specific workouts lately.... I have been on the TT bike twice in the past month, and that includes the Sprint Tri. All my rides have been group rides (I'm lucky that I have various groups to ride with 7 days a week here). I could totally do the Oly just to finish but it's $150 and the idea of just hanging out with my friends and spectating appeals more. My knees don't feel great these days and I have some significant strength imbalances. My plan had been to work on these issues over the summer and rebuild my run. Now I am rethinking things and planning to just do cycling races this Fall. I just don't enjoy swimming over 2000yds. Anyways...just thinking out loud here and debating if I should just step away from triathlon for a while. I truly don't miss racing at all and get way more enjoyment out of just riding my bike. Well, if you are like most of us and only train because of the misery, pain, suffering, and general unhappiness it brings to our lives, then of COURSE you have to sign up for the race, no matter the financial cost (the more the better, actually!). If, on the other hand you are an outlier and only train and race for the sheer joy and happiness it brings, well then, you just go ahead and be that way. Seriously Sally, the obvious answer is in your post. Just get out and ride and don't worry about it! Besides, we can always run it by the SBR Utopia Bylaws Committee, but I am pretty sure SBR stands for Swim, Bike, OR Run, not Swim, Bike, AND Run. So you should be all good here. Jason, can you get the committee together for an official ruling? Not sure about a committee, but Sally sounds a lot like me. I just love to ride my bike a whole lot more than anything. A tri here or there is fun, but I never feel the itch to sign up for a tri on the whim. So I'd probably just ride my bike on Saturday. If you're traveling to camp, that sounds like the perfect excuse to go explore new roads, climbs, and STRAVA SEGMENTS!!! Might be too late for this, but maybe email the race director and see if any relay teams need a biker? I know a friend of mine did an Oly about a month ago, but couldn't swim due to a shoulder injury. He contacted the RD a few weeks before the race, and they found him a swimmer. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for all the great advice guys...y'all are so wise here! ![]() |
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![]() | ![]() hum, I thought they would have the BT site upgraded by now. They must still be in process. |
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