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I have used Wiggle (UK based) because they actually did free shipping to Japan.  Bikeinn is apparently based in Spain.  I could not find any references on either BT or Slowtwitch, but I did find this:

http://forums.mtbr.com/where-best-deals/bike-inn-808963.html

and

http://es.trustpilot.com/review/www.bikeinn.com   (there are quite a few English language comments if you keep scrolling down).

Looks like some people are very satisfied and others are moaning about shipping delays and "out of stock" notices post order placement.

Congrats Scott, planning my first HIM for June of next year, what training plan did you use?

It's full steam ahead to Christmas, but there must be time for a race or two before then, right?  If you've got something going, give us the details!

If you're not racing, tell us about the one present you'd like to find under you tree this year!

I want some new Juggs.

i like em' the way they are, but ok.  

Fatty's BACK!!!   

Scott, if you say that 1:45 is an "easy" pace for you what do you think the difference was to have nearly an hour difference?  Did you maybe go too hard on the bike leaving the tank nearly empty on the run?  For me if I run a stand alone half mary in 1:40+ I always assume if I am coming off a bike its going to be a 1:48+ or so... I don't think I have ever PR'D a run off a bike... 

Just trying to help pin down the problem since you are bothered by what happen to you on the run course.

It's full steam ahead to Christmas, but there must be time for a race or two before then, right?  If you've got something going, give us the details!

If you're not racing, tell us about the one present you'd like to find under you tree this year!

i'm interested in this to.  and fwiw, i think i ran off a long bike 4 times this round of IM training.  two of which were on "big days" (i hate that term).  and one was during a 70.3.  so, 3 of 4 had a swim on the front end. 

just my thinking, suzy's coaches will tell me i'm wrong, but i think if you're truly going to test run pace during long course training then there needs to be a swim involved with that day book-ended with proper rest and recovery.  simply running off a long bike may provide positive endurance build-up but it isn't going to tell you much about what pace to run off the bike come race day. 

based on my last 70.3 i think i'm finally executing a great for me run off the bike.  IM, nope and it's not because of bike effort during the race.  or if it is then my zones are royally screwed up...ha!

edit.. one more thing, be honest with yourself about pace your too.  consistently running 10:30's off a half bike is a helluva lot more impressive than someone throwing down a 2'+ pace per mile differential off a half iron bike

I think you're wrong and I only have one coach so there.

Started my day by taking my FIL to the ER and have been in the hospital with him ever since.  He's alert, but they are concerned he may have had a heart attack or a blockage.  Had triple bypass 10 years ago.  The joys of getting old.

HA!  I was just off decorating my tree. 

I think you're wrong and I only have one coach so there.

Started my day by taking my FIL to the ER and have been in the hospital with him ever since.  He's alert, but they are concerned he may have had a heart attack or a blockage.  Had triple bypass 10 years ago.  The joys of getting old.

Is that what you are calling 'it' now?  

Is that what you are calling 'it' now?  

It's full steam ahead to Christmas, but there must be time for a race or two before then, right?  If you've got something going, give us the details!

If you're not racing, tell us about the one present you'd like to find under you tree this year!

I think you're wrong and I only have one coach so there.

Started my day by taking my FIL to the ER and have been in the hospital with him ever since.  He's alert, but they are concerned he may have had a heart attack or a blockage.  Had triple bypass 10 years ago.  The joys of getting old.

Scott, if you say that 1:45 is an "easy" pace for you what do you think the difference was to have nearly an hour difference?  Did you maybe go too hard on the bike leaving the tank nearly empty on the run?  For me if I run a stand alone half mary in 1:40+ I always assume if I am coming off a bike its going to be a 1:48+ or so... I don't think I have ever PR'D a run off a bike... 

Just trying to help pin down the problem since you are bothered by what happen to you on the run course.

The difference was the cramping in my quads and calves immediately upon dismounting the bike.  I tried to go out slowly and work it through but it just got progressively worse to the point where i was walk/running at the end.  Additionally the course was a full 14.2 miles because the RD mis measured so that added to the misery.

My thoughts are similar to yours, I can run a stand alone Half at about 1:35 so I figured off the bike 1:45 to 1:50 was reasonable.  To clarify when I say 1:45 is an easy pace I mean that it is a pace I run regularly for 12-15 mile runs and am comfortable to chat while maintaining it.

I spoke to my coach, we reviewed the Garmin data of the race and he is equally baffled.  My heart rate never got above 157 on the bike even in the minor up hill area.  I looked back through some of the training data and had numerous examples of bike legs with equal and higher heart rates before a run.  My conclusion is that I didn't overcook the bike. 

My solution for now is two-fold.  I scheduled an appointment to have blood work done to see if there is some issue there, maybe a lack of minerals or something that causes cramping and I am also going to the LBS to check my fit on the bike.  In chatting with a couple people some suggested that if I was cramped in the cockpit it may be causing the cramping when I transition to the run.  

Any other ideas are welcome, I have my next HIM Oceanside in March so I need to find a solution.

The difference was the cramping in my quads and calves immediately upon dismounting the bike.  I tried to go out slowly and work it through but it just got progressively worse to the point where i was walk/running at the end.  Additionally the course was a full 14.2 miles because the RD mis measured so that added to the misery.

My thoughts are similar to yours, I can run a stand alone Half at about 1:35 so I figured off the bike 1:45 to 1:50 was reasonable.  To clarify when I say 1:45 is an easy pace I mean that it is a pace I run regularly for 12-15 mile runs and am comfortable to chat while maintaining it.

I spoke to my coach, we reviewed the Garmin data of the race and he is equally baffled.  My heart rate never got above 157 on the bike even in the minor up hill area.  I looked back through some of the training data and had numerous examples of bike legs with equal and higher heart rates before a run.  My conclusion is that I didn't overcook the bike. 

My solution for now is two-fold.  I scheduled an appointment to have blood work done to see if there is some issue there, maybe a lack of minerals or something that causes cramping and I am also going to the LBS to check my fit on the bike.  In chatting with a couple people some suggested that if I was cramped in the cockpit it may be causing the cramping when I transition to the run.  

Any other ideas are welcome, I have my next HIM Oceanside in March so I need to find a solution.

Scott, I wondered about the aero position too, I used tri bars for the first time in a race at the Noosa tri and had stiff, painful medial quads - VMO - during the run. I've never experienced that before and I definitely didn't hammer the bike.