If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen (Page 2)

...so she didn't do it by herself then.

This is why I love hyper partisanship. You can always find something to complain about. The statement no one did it on their own is 100% true. This isn't some socialist propaganda. It is impossible to have a business where you don't depend on anyone else in any way and legitimately call it a business. You have to have at a minimum a customer. 

These types of issues will help to ensure that we maintain a 2 party system and will probably be the downfall of our country.  

...so she didn't do it by herself then.

This is why I love hyper partisanship. You can always find something to complain about. The statement no one did it on their own is 100% true. This isn't some socialist propaganda. It is impossible to have a business where you don't depend on anyone else in any way and legitimately call it a business. You have to have at a minimum a customer. 

These types of issues will help to ensure that we maintain a 2 party system and will probably be the downfall of our country.  

But that's not what he said... he said...

"If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen"

Not help, not assist.  "You didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

He completely took all respect, consideration, and pride away from the hard work of small business owners who worked their butts off to build their companies.

The message is clear.  It's more class warfare BS. (Eat the rich!)

And don't paint this hyper partisanship as I think Romeny is not the right person for the job either

But that's not what he said... he said...

"If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen"

Not help, not assist.  "You didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

He completely took all respect, consideration, and pride away from the hard work of small business owners who worked their butts off to build their companies.

The message is clear.  It's more class warfare BS. (Eat the rich!)

And don't paint this hyper partisanship as I think Romeny is not the right person for the job either

Is the statement true or false? Can anyone 100% on their own with no one else involved in any way shape or form create a business? No, that defies the definition of a business. I'm not trying to take anything away from you because my impression of you is a successful small business owner (I believe you build robot blackjack dealers or something similar right?). All I'm saying is that on it's face, the president made a TRUE statement. 

I do believe it is partisanship because if Romney said that, I don't believe there would be near the outcry (not just from you but I don't think Fox News would have ran it as the headline on their website, etc.) My comment was more directed to the fact that we are trying to mince the presidents words, when we have institutions like JPM out there committing massive fraud and getting slapped on the wrist. Institutions like that will continue to get away with pillaging the american people as long as we continue to be distracted into voting for the lesser of two evils.

But he did not say that other s"helped" or "assisted" or you didn't do that "all on your own".  He gave the business owner ZERO credit.

As as Scoob has pointed out, he placing that praise right on the government.  He wants people to believe that the gov't knows best.  That they are the ones who make everything happen.  And that successful people owe the government more... lots more.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the media has not taken things that Romney has said and made them headlines?  Not sure what your point is here...

As for having better things to worry about, I argue that fostering this class warfare argument is just as dangerous (if not more so) longterm than anything JP Morgan has ever done.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

I think he's saying that if you've got a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges and internets and all the other infrastructure that's needed for your business to succeed.  All of us together built that infrastructure without which you couldn't have a business.  He's not saying that you didn't build your business, he's saying you alone didn't build all of the infrastructure on which the success of your business depends.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

I think he's saying that if you've got a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges and internets and all the other infrastructure that's needed for your business to succeed.  All of us together built that infrastructure without which you couldn't have a business.  He's not saying that you didn't build your business, he's saying you alone didn't build all of the infrastructure on which the success of your business depends.

Everyone benefits from those just as much as business do so why are business more responsible for providing for them. 

Sorry guys but can you blame Obama for pandering this way, really?  Sadly we have turned into a society of whiners and leeches and this is just all part an parcel of that rhetoric.

According to the speech, he was making a point that success depends just as much on collective effort of the society (ie infrastructure) as individual initiative.  Nothing to do with businesses being more responsible for providing it, just that they can't be successful 100% on their own (rebutting a straw man with a straw man).  Though it did come right after his pitch to increase tax rates on the wealthy, some of which are small business owners.

It seems like we've gone over how the whiners and leeches are ruining society ad nauseum, I wasn't trying to give an opinion on that one way or the other.  It just appeared to me that people were misinterpreting or twisting words and then getting all outraged over it.  I don't think he was saying government is responsible for 100% of every businesses success and the owner gets 'zero credit', I think he was saying if you have business, you didn't build all the infrastructure you depend on for its success, it takes both your hard work and society as a whole working together.   Especially since in the very next line he says "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."  

Bingo... it was about why we should raise taxes on the "rich"... so thinly veiled..

I don't think anyone was twisting his words. I believe that this is yet another example of Obama trying to pit the lower class against the upper class (screwing the middle class in the process).  And honestly I think that is a BIG issue long term.

According to the speech, he was making a point that success depends just as much on collective effort of the society (ie infrastructure) as individual initiative.  Nothing to do with businesses being more responsible for providing it, just that they can't be successful 100% on their own (rebutting a straw man with a straw man).  Though it did come right after his pitch to increase tax rates on the wealthy, some of which are small business owners.

It seems like we've gone over how the whiners and leeches are ruining society ad nauseum, I wasn't trying to give an opinion on that one way or the other.  It just appeared to me that people were misinterpreting or twisting words and then getting all outraged over it.  I don't think he was saying government is responsible for 100% of every businesses success and the owner gets 'zero credit', I think he was saying if you have business, you didn't build all the infrastructure you depend on for its success, it takes both your hard work and society as a whole working together.   Especially since in the very next line he says "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."  

I have no problem with people being outraged at the pres, but there are so many valid reasons to be outraged if that's your thing that I don't think it's necessary to twist words and be outraged about something I don't think he was even saying.  Just my interpretation

I can agree with that. In the sentence I bolded yesterday he knowledges individual initiative, but that he he most definitely saying government is also responsible. So let's stop mincing words, what's the point?

The point is that for quite a while now President Obama has been beating the drum that there are those not paying their fair share. That all those successful people out there got successful off of other peoples tax dollars and benefiting from government. That somehow they have gamed the system and gotten a fat piece of the pie and now they need to give some back. That they would not have that without the government.

Well no ^$^&$ Sherlock. Nobody on this planet lives in a vacuum. Currently 50% of the population is documented as not paying any share at all... at least in federal taxes. There are untold millions of undocumented workers using the same infrastructure to enrich their lives that are not paying a share at all... at least Federal. But where is Obama pitching to revise the tax code to have all of us pitch in? Where is the unification by the leader of our country that we all must pitch in to dig our selves out of this hole?

But that is not what "The One" is doing. Remember how he was going to put down all the partisanship and bring us together? Well he has been going after the wealthy only. That they need to do more... them and only them. That is class partisanship how ever you want to slice it. And big business too... all those business need to pay more too. Only them. When they both already have high tax rates.

The fact is they did get rich from the government. Because it was the government that set the rules. The recession wasn't cause by Wall Street taking advantage of us, it was caused by Washington setting the rules for us to be fleeced. Yet the President does not have the fortitude to say that.. instead we need a villain, a scape goat to blame so we can rig the rules again. The people will feel good, but not one thing will change. Big Government and Big Business are one in the same and they are feeding off each other at out expense. Occupy goes on an on about how all the wealth is being consolidated at the top... no kidding... that is exactly how our government has designed it.

But all "We the People" get are speeches designed to vilify a class of people instead of just saying that the government has failed us and they are now going to work on fixing some of the flaws. And while it would be great to increase taxes on the wealthy and end tax breaks/subsidies for big business... it would also be great to raise them on everyone and get rid of a lot of loop holes. It would even be better to cut the Federal budget by 20% and begin actually funding our liabilities. It would also be great to invest in infrastructure so our country can thrive... but all this administration wants to do is take from some to give to others... that is not fixing the problem. That is applying a band aid to get through the next election cycles and buy votes.

^^What he said!

What is thinly veiled is his playing the have nots against the haves.  (I was not very clear there).

Really?  OK Drew... I just see it as yet another reason why the work ethic in this country is going down the toilet.

Yes.

In my professional paid opinion (no refunds!) both parties have set it up so they pretend there is a big choice between the two, but both parties are rigging the system for the people who are paying them. Last I checked the american people only pay them 150k-400k per year so we lose.

And I will be the realist and say big fat hairy deal. And that is being generous and giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt.

Washington is a company town. Politics is a team sport. Individuals can't change a thing. Look at Ron Paul... look at the take over of the TEA party.

Obama actually was a breath of fresh air. I didn't vote for him because he was not qualified.. but I wanted to believe. I wanted change. I thought maybe it was going to start. And you can look back and it was like a light switch. Obama on the campaign trail, Obama in office. As soon as he was sworn in... he became a team player. Like he was sat down on the first day... nice Job sport... now this is how it is... and you will tow the line.... OK.