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 2012-09-23 10:14 PM in reply to: #4424433 |
Expert  1662     Spokane, WA |  Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix IgnoranceChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 8:02 PM What injuries? The one mom alleges. The point was already made that we all know a parent would never Embelish the truth? Maybe even a parent who would agree to a child getting spanked, then run to the news immediately after and cry "foul". $$$.Left Brain - 2012-09-23 10:32 PM Hey....for this one, sorry I got in the middle of your party...carry on....I have no desire to even see where this goes. I'm out....have fun!!! You get right back in here young man! You've got a paddlin' a-waitin' for ya! LB, I didn't mean to upset anybody with the reference to "pants down," but I seriously do not know how people spank. I get the why, (I'm seriously opposed to it, but I understand the motive) I was seriously just asking how because based on the injury report, I don't know how those injuries would happen if say the girl's wearing jeans.
Think about it. 1" thick piece of hardwood slapping your backside. Yeah, that might leave an impression even through, say a pair of jeans. |
| 2012-09-23 10:28 PM in reply to: #4424443 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance kevinbe - 2012-09-23 11:14 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 8:02 PM What injuries? The one mom alleges. The point was already made that we all know a parent would never Embelish the truth? Maybe even a parent who would agree to a child getting spanked, then run to the news immediately after and cry "foul". $$$.Left Brain - 2012-09-23 10:32 PM Hey....for this one, sorry I got in the middle of your party...carry on....I have no desire to even see where this goes. I'm out....have fun!!! You get right back in here young man! You've got a paddlin' a-waitin' for ya! LB, I didn't mean to upset anybody with the reference to "pants down," but I seriously do not know how people spank. I get the why, (I'm seriously opposed to it, but I understand the motive) I was seriously just asking how because based on the injury report, I don't know how those injuries would happen if say the girl's wearing jeans.
Think about it. 1" thick piece of hardwood slapping your backside. Yeah, that might leave an impression even through, say a pair of jeans. Okay, I understand it could be an embellishment, but didn't the article say the parent had pictures? I guess my next question is, what's the purpose of the spanking? Is it to hurt the child? Is it to shame the child? ...or both??? I could have sworn reading that corporal punishment tends to provide positive results immediately, but those results don't last. Another question...when does it stop? Are high schoolers spanked? Just middle schoolers? Heck, I knew of a person who would flick her infant if the baby bit during breastfeeding...yikes?
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| 2012-09-23 10:34 PM in reply to: #4424249 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
No one was naked, unless you have information we don't. Of course I don't approve of someone being spanked while naked (well, in school anyway) |
| 2012-09-23 10:38 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance In general, violence begets violence. While I understand that some parents believe in corporal punishment, there is something deep in my gut that twists in a knot when I hear of someone BESIDE a parent striking a child. It just gives me the heebie jeebies! |
| 2012-09-23 10:40 PM in reply to: #4424453 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance abqtj - 2012-09-23 10:34 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
No one was naked, unless you have information we don't. Of course I don't approve of someone being spanked while naked (well, in school anyway) Haa 1) can the alleged (notice I am saying ALLEGED) blisters be caused by spanking through clothing? If so, how hard does a person have to be hit to cause blisters through clothing? Is that too hard? Are we comfortable with authority figures having power to cause blisters through spanking, with or without pants on?, and 2) why did a female aid have to be present if the student was fully clothed? Typically females are present for something like a male doctor examining a female patient when they are naked. Perhaps that's why the assumptions are being made. |
| 2012-09-23 11:00 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance I'd bet a second person has to be present to prevent accusations of sexual assault, among other things |
| 2012-09-23 11:39 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance In middle school in the mid '70's, all paddling was done my the men, except for the gym teacher "Ms. D". Yes - they all had big paddles with speed holes hanging up in front of class. I was never paddled- too goodie 2 shoes. The paddling a were also public - in front of the class for deterring future hoodlum behavior. I witnessed one that was quite disturbing. He was asked if there was a reason medically that he shouldn't receive swats and the kid said " my dentist said tha I shouldn't recieve shocks because of my teeth". The teacher dismissed this and whacked away (clothed, bent over to grab his ankles - this was quite disturbing on its own). The teacher in question was very large. My dad was 6 ft, so if I remember a teacher as a giant, he was much larger than that. He was the science teacher and the kid had mis behaved while a substitute teacher was there, so he was taking care of it on his return, relying only on the word of the sub (I remember he was qute obnoxious to the sub) not his own observations. The day after the "swatting", the kid showed up and had some teeth that were kind of black. It was really disturbing. I reported it home and my folks sent in a letter ASAP - if ms goodie 2 shoes ever strayed, I was not to be swatted. The at home punishment would suffice ( and it would have). In light of this, I view the story weird in a few ways. I have questions that generally point to the idea tht school peopole should not swat children. What difference is a full adult man hitting a 96 lb child, be they boy or girl? Is the punishment the same for "blue collar vs white collar" offences? (Terrorizing a sub teacher vs letting someone copy you homework"?). Swatting a kid because the class bully shook her down for her homework to copy? I have read about teachers going to other countries and negotiating the concept if " caning" a kid. I am sure that the teachers who are instructed to provide cp as a means to control the classroom in the US have the same ambivalence. One hopes that a young person does not enter the education field because they want to "swat" people. What say them? I cannot imagine me or my husband swatting anyone as part of our job, much less children. |
| 2012-09-24 12:40 AM in reply to: #4423930 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance Absolutely incredible.... Student committed offense. Student was given a choice of punishment. Student chose punishment based on what was best for her. Parent agreed with punishment Parents are allowed to opt out of corporal punishment School performed punishment Students hide was tanned Ohhhhhh humanity! Community decided what was appropriate. School follows community's guidance. Thinking a male Vice Principal carrying out his duties is akin to some old guy watching little kids on the playground with a trench coat on... wow. Not sure about whether a woman was supposed to be present or not, I don't live there. I have been paddled a few times... I think I was less than 96 lbs at the time. Left office crying every time. Didn't commit the offense anymore. Then I got in more trouble when I got home. Never once did I ever have a blister. Yes, it was red. Indeed I am still alive. Amazing people that have nothing to do with the child, the parents, the school, or the community, are so outraged. Is it outdated... maybe. Is it in the top 10 of problems with todays school system... not even close. |
| 2012-09-24 6:27 AM in reply to: #4424063 |
Expert 758 Port Colborne, Ontario | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance jacasa - 2012-09-23 4:10 PM RVachon - 2012-09-23 3:40 PM Seriously? Please explain to me how beating a kid is going to teach them anything? Does it prepare them for life after school? So the consequences of a poor decision are to beat them? Hmmmm? How about something else like an all day work session at the school on a Saturday? Or, having her volunteer at a soup kitchen on a Saturday? Or, have her tutor some of the kids at the school that need it. My dad used the belt on us, and my mom the wooden spoon. I love them both to this day, but it never taught me anything. Real life situations like the value of a paper route taught me real life lessons. Frankly, I think those with low self-esteem inflict “corporal punishment” as it makes them feel superior. I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? Wow, really? Yeah good idea. Lets also ask the murders in jail to go work at a soup kitchen on Saturdays, that will straightened them right up.
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| 2012-09-24 6:49 AM in reply to: #4424570 |
Veteran 928 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance RVachon - 2012-09-24 7:27 AM jacasa - 2012-09-23 4:10 PM RVachon - 2012-09-23 3:40 PM Seriously? Please explain to me how beating a kid is going to teach them anything? Does it prepare them for life after school? So the consequences of a poor decision are to beat them? Hmmmm? How about something else like an all day work session at the school on a Saturday? Or, having her volunteer at a soup kitchen on a Saturday? Or, have her tutor some of the kids at the school that need it. My dad used the belt on us, and my mom the wooden spoon. I love them both to this day, but it never taught me anything. Real life situations like the value of a paper route taught me real life lessons. Frankly, I think those with low self-esteem inflict “corporal punishment” as it makes them feel superior. I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? Wow, really? Yeah good idea. Lets also ask the murders in jail to go work at a soup kitchen on Saturdays, that will straightened them right up.
Nice s - t - r - e - t - c - h! |
| 2012-09-24 7:36 AM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance So in this case, what is better for the student? Let's just assume that all the rules were followed. 1. Swatting and done with it. 2. Detention or Suspension that appears in your records or could affect your academic status. I probably would have taken the swatting. And I would have been bruised something fierce, as I bruise easy and had no body fat (110lbs when I graduated from HS). But if that is my choice, then I have to live with the choice. The article is not really clear on a lot of things. For one, we don't really know what blistered means (embellished or not?). We don't know if the rules really call for a male-male and female to female paddling. No one seems to state the rules. We don't know if this is just the mother's reaction or if she is just reaching. A parent should stand up and protect their child, but in this case the mother said o.k., whack my daughter, that is what she wants. Case closed. |
| 2012-09-24 7:41 AM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 2277 Lake Norman, NC | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right.
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| 2012-09-24 9:00 AM in reply to: #4424630 |
Champion 17756 SoCal | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance velocomp - 2012-09-24 5:36 AM So in this case, what is better for the student? Let's just assume that all the rules were followed. 1. Swatting and done with it. 2. Detention or Suspension that appears in your records or could affect your academic status. I probably would have taken the swatting. And I would have been bruised something fierce, as I bruise easy and had no body fat (110lbs when I graduated from HS). But if that is my choice, then I have to live with the choice. The article is not really clear on a lot of things. For one, we don't really know what blistered means (embellished or not?). We don't know if the rules really call for a male-male and female to female paddling. No one seems to state the rules. We don't know if this is just the mother's reaction or if she is just reaching. A parent should stand up and protect their child, but in this case the mother said o.k., whack my daughter, that is what she wants. Case closed. ^^ This. For us to debate whether or not it is in the best interest of the child is missing the point. She choose the punishment it was not forced on her. For me it sounds like they thought it would be a little swat and it would be done. Anyone who has ever been paddled can tell you it's not a little swat and to say otherwise seems very naive. Why would they have the option for the harsher quicker punishment if it was something easy that can just be brushed off. In the future when the girl gets in trouble again make her miss the classes and tell her deal with it. |
| 2012-09-24 9:08 AM in reply to: #4424639 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 7:41 AM "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right. I love the generalizations. So far I have low self esteem and beat my kids to feel superior and I failed in my teaching and discipline of my children. I love the tolerance of alternate opinions on this thread. You make it sound like a swat on the butt is an outright assault and should be criminalized. The truth to good parenting is to have consequences and consistency. This can be achieved through corporal punishment or through time outs and removal of privileges. I personally believe a combination of both is best. You may not agree with that, but apparently my three teenage kids have turned out alright from every metric society uses to measure such things. High Self Esteem, charitable, Straight A's, accomplished athletes. |
| 2012-09-24 9:20 AM in reply to: #4423930 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance I spank my kids. My kids also know that some consequences involve spankings. Usually after the rule was broken, we sit and talk about why it was wrong what they did. We then discuss the punishment, and sometimes it is a spanking. After that discussion, me and the wife discuss the issue and come to an agreement about the punishment, then we spank if we agree that is the appropriate punishment. For anyone to say that spanking is a way for me to feel superior over my kids is totally wrong. I do not like to spank, but I feel it is the correct thing to do in certain situations. This is never done in public for anyone to see, not for fear of what someone without children may think of my parenting skills, but because this is an issue to be handled at home. I do not hit my kids in anger, but I spank them in love. After the spanking is given, and the tears have stopped, we go back and talk with our kids about why we punished them the way we did. It ends in hugs. Always. Edited by jford2309 2012-09-24 9:39 AM |
| 2012-09-24 12:26 PM in reply to: #4424751 |
Master 1699 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance tuwood - 2012-09-24 10:08 AM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 7:41 AM "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right. I love the generalizations. So far I have low self esteem and beat my kids to feel superior and I failed in my teaching and discipline of my children. I love the tolerance of alternate opinions on this thread. You make it sound like a swat on the butt is an outright assault and should be criminalized. The truth to good parenting is to have consequences and consistency. This can be achieved through corporal punishment or through time outs and removal of privileges. I personally believe a combination of both is best. You may not agree with that, but apparently my three teenage kids have turned out alright from every metric society uses to measure such things. High Self Esteem, charitable, Straight A's, accomplished athletes. took the words right out of my mouth... couldn't have said it better and I've got three boys (14,12, and 10) that are doing great... gotta love generalizations... |
| 2012-09-24 12:29 PM in reply to: #4424766 |
Master 1699 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance jford2309 - 2012-09-24 10:20 AM with ya...I spank my kids. My kids also know that some consequences involve spankings. Usually after the rule was broken, we sit and talk about why it was wrong what they did. We then discuss the punishment, and sometimes it is a spanking. After that discussion, me and the wife discuss the issue and come to an agreement about the punishment, then we spank if we agree that is the appropriate punishment. For anyone to say that spanking is a way for me to feel superior over my kids is totally wrong. I do not like to spank, but I feel it is the correct thing to do in certain situations. This is never done in public for anyone to see, not for fear of what someone without children may think of my parenting skills, but because this is an issue to be handled at home. I do not hit my kids in anger, but I spank them in love. After the spanking is given, and the tears have stopped, we go back and talk with our kids about why we punished them the way we did. It ends in hugs. Always. |
| 2012-09-24 1:19 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 2277 Lake Norman, NC | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance Why does spanking and 'corporal punishment' even have to be considered an option? "I spank my kids out of love." What's that supposed to mean?! "I cause my kids physical pain out of love?" This doesn't sound strange? If you want a generalization, I'll give you one: I don't thinki there's ever an appropriate time, response, or reason to strike/beat/spank/hit a child. (Unless maybe you're wearing headgear, gloves and pads and are sparring for a sport.) I don't find it necessary and I don't believe it's useful as a means of promoting proper behavior.
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| 2012-09-24 1:21 PM in reply to: #4424639 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 6:41 AM "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right.
Wow, how is the view from that high horse??? So Dr. Phil... tell me how I am scared from getting the belt from my Father or paddled as a child? Please evaluate me over the web and tell me how I didn't turn out alright. So all a spanking does is teach children how to solve a grown up problems is violence? Funny, because I do not resort to violence to solve any of my grown up problems. Never been much of hitter. Now people here want to throw around wonderful generalizations of how horrific it is to be spanked... my parents actually did grow up in horrific homes that do not need any stretching to call abuse. Yet my Dad only spanked me, never once beat me. Yes there is a difference. Thing is, I deserved every one. It was usually after much long drawn out refusal for me to do anything... in which case he taught me where the line was. It didn't really bother me much, I was just unwilling to find out what was after that. Now, could my parents have been more "enlightened" like all you guys. Sure, but that is not what I had. I had parents that did there best to raise me with love, and I knew every second of my child hood I was loved. Is spanking out dated... for some yes, for some no. I'm really glad your kids bought into your system. I'm sure you can apply the same system to the children of world with the exact same results. Oh... and I have never heard one excuse given in this thread for "beating" or "assaulting" a child. Spanking is neither no matter how much you want to twist it. It actually has a name, it's called spanking. If you want to get wordy, it's called corporal punishment. I've googled, but I have yet to find a law classifying spanking a s assault. |
| 2012-09-24 1:31 PM in reply to: #4425235 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 12:19 PM Why does spanking and 'corporal punishment' even have to be considered an option? "I spank my kids out of love." What's that supposed to mean?! "I cause my kids physical pain out of love?" This doesn't sound strange? If you want a generalization, I'll give you one: I don't thinki there's ever an appropriate time, response, or reason to strike/beat/spank/hit a child. (Unless maybe you're wearing headgear, gloves and pads and are sparring for a sport.) I don't find it necessary and I don't believe it's useful as a means of promoting proper behavior.
Do you think a child of 5 understands the physics of a 4000lb car hitting them and the resulting head trauma inflicted on their brain will cause life long learning disabilities and diminished capacity resulting in a lower quality of life and reduced ability to find meaningful employment and provide for their family? When you tell a child to stop and they don't and you run and catch them before they are ran over by the car they do not see coming and you spank them... do you think they understand the immediate pain they received for disobeying you and doing something they should not have? But sure... we can debate and explain and hope it sinks in for next time because heaven forbid they have a red bottom. If you do not agree with spanking, then don't do it. See how easy that is? |
| 2012-09-24 1:38 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance I can appreciate any parent that does not spank their child as a way of punishment. That is fine. that is how you choose to discipline your kids. But do not try and call other parents out for spanking if that is the method of punishment they choose. Spanking should never be an act of violence or done in the heat of the moment IMO, but it is far from assault. |
| 2012-09-24 2:01 PM in reply to: #4425239 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance powerman - 2012-09-24 1:21 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 6:41 AM "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right.
Wow, how is the view from that high horse??? So Dr. Phil... tell me how I am scared from getting the belt from my Father or paddled as a child? Please evaluate me over the web and tell me how I didn't turn out alright. So all a spanking does is teach children how to solve a grown up problems is violence? Funny, because I do not resort to violence to solve any of my grown up problems. Never been much of hitter. Now people here want to throw around wonderful generalizations of how horrific it is to be spanked... my parents actually did grow up in horrific homes that do not need any stretching to call abuse. Yet my Dad only spanked me, never once beat me. Yes there is a difference. Thing is, I deserved every one. It was usually after much long drawn out refusal for me to do anything... in which case he taught me where the line was. It didn't really bother me much, I was just unwilling to find out what was after that. Now, could my parents have been more "enlightened" like all you guys. Sure, but that is not what I had. I had parents that did there best to raise me with love, and I knew every second of my child hood I was loved. Is spanking out dated... for some yes, for some no. I'm really glad your kids bought into your system. I'm sure you can apply the same system to the children of world with the exact same results. Oh... and I have never heard one excuse given in this thread for "beating" or "assaulting" a child. Spanking is neither no matter how much you want to twist it. It actually has a name, it's called spanking. If you want to get wordy, it's called corporal punishment. I've googled, but I have yet to find a law classifying spanking a s assault. Try telling that to Ms. Gonzales. http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14926804/texas-mom-who-spanked-toddler-pleads-guilty-to-felony-injury-to-a-child-charge
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| 2012-09-24 2:01 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 1699 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance let's not forget that the mother is upset that a male did the "spanking" not that her daughter was spanked... same article gives a link that 19 states make it legal to perform corporal punishment in schools... that's a pretty amazing number http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=statesbanning |
| 2012-09-24 2:03 PM in reply to: #4425313 |
Master 1699 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance kevin_trapp - 2012-09-24 3:01 PM powerman - 2012-09-24 1:21 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-24 6:41 AM "I used to get regular beatings all the time from my parents and I turned out all right." No. No you didn't. I HATE the excuses people use to validate beating, spanking, corporal punishment, etc. You know what it REALLY does? PROVES THAT YOU FAILED IN YOUR TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE! If you have to strike a child for any reason, it means you failed as a parent, teacher, adult, etc. It teaches a child nothing. The only message it delivers is, "the grown-up answer to a situation is physical violence." In most colleges and universities, the code of conduct is explained very clearly and you sign it. In most cases, if you're caught cheating or help someone cheat - YOU FAIL THE CLASS. That's way more or a motivation to not cheat than a paddling. I have NEVER had to raise a hand to my children. I raised them so that one stern look from me is all it takes. They know when they've done wrong. They know when they've disappointed me. They know what they have to do to makes things right. And in about 95% of the time, they THINK about their actions before they do it and decide whether or not to go through with it. - No, you didn't turn out all right.
Wow, how is the view from that high horse??? So Dr. Phil... tell me how I am scared from getting the belt from my Father or paddled as a child? Please evaluate me over the web and tell me how I didn't turn out alright. So all a spanking does is teach children how to solve a grown up problems is violence? Funny, because I do not resort to violence to solve any of my grown up problems. Never been much of hitter. Now people here want to throw around wonderful generalizations of how horrific it is to be spanked... my parents actually did grow up in horrific homes that do not need any stretching to call abuse. Yet my Dad only spanked me, never once beat me. Yes there is a difference. Thing is, I deserved every one. It was usually after much long drawn out refusal for me to do anything... in which case he taught me where the line was. It didn't really bother me much, I was just unwilling to find out what was after that. Now, could my parents have been more "enlightened" like all you guys. Sure, but that is not what I had. I had parents that did there best to raise me with love, and I knew every second of my child hood I was loved. Is spanking out dated... for some yes, for some no. I'm really glad your kids bought into your system. I'm sure you can apply the same system to the children of world with the exact same results. Oh... and I have never heard one excuse given in this thread for "beating" or "assaulting" a child. Spanking is neither no matter how much you want to twist it. It actually has a name, it's called spanking. If you want to get wordy, it's called corporal punishment. I've googled, but I have yet to find a law classifying spanking a s assault. Try telling that to Ms. Gonzales. http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14926804/texas-mom-who-spanked-toddler-pleads-guilty-to-felony-injury-to-a-child-charge
seems there's a little more to that story... maybe some serious family infighting and the woman only plead guilty maybe to save face in future custody hearings? |
| 2012-09-24 2:12 PM in reply to: #4423930 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance I have no dog in this fight, I do not have children, but I am enjoying this thread. One thought to ponder... you all do know why we feel pain right? I don't mean the concept of nerve endings and electrical signals, I mean the evolutionary, primal reason we feel pain. |
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