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2008-08-13 2:51 PM
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Im a big fan of the finger tip drag drill, you feel the difference almost immediately.

2008-08-13 2:53 PM
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Daremo - 2008-08-13 3:22 PM

Something else to add in that my swim coach said is that if you are seeing bubbles from your hand entering, then it is not going in right ........ slip it in, don't slap it in.

(Get your minds out of the gutter .......)

Sometimes, she likes when you slap it in.

2008-08-13 3:03 PM
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Daremo - 2008-08-13 3:22 PM

Something else to add in that my swim coach said is that if you are seeing bubbles from your hand entering, then it is not going in right ........ slip it in, don't slap it in.

(Get your minds out of the gutter .......)

Yeah, I know every swimmer is different, blah blah blah,but did anyone see Eamon Sullivan (?) the aussie that took the 100 M free record back from the french?  TI would say his arm was too straight



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2008-08-13 3:59 PM
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2) entering the water, the olympians seem to put their hands in vertically, then change to horizontally for the catch, 

I've noticed that too. Phelps' hand appears to enter at about a 45 degree angle bent at the wrist and then as soon as it's underwater it moves to horizontal for the glide. Not sure why but I'm going to try it. My technique is good but there's a number of things I'm going to test out after watching the olympians.
2008-08-13 4:47 PM
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dexter - 2008-08-12 8:29 PM

As far forward as you can with elbow almost straight.  I like to have my thumb and index finger enter the same.  Scoop the water and pull back towards feet, hand along mid line, elbow bent at 90 degrees.  Push water down straightening arm to side.  -Lots of internal rotation of shoulder.-   You should feel a wave of water travel down your leg.  Return with you hands close to water and elbow up.  That the way I do it.  If you hand isn't moving down your body (ie down to bottom or to side) your just shoving yourself up or to the side.  I turn my head rather then my body to breath.  Yes I do get some rotation but try to stay close to flat as possible. 

Have at it TI guys. 



It needs to be mentioned that you hand will enter the water and then stretch out UNDER the water. You should not reach as far foward as you can, above the water, and then enter the water.

The key to gliding is having some of the reach under the water.
2008-08-13 5:17 PM
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From what I have read/been told you definatley want to reach out a little farther than google line like everyone else mentioned.

The one thing my master coach tells me (repeatedly) is too slip my hand through the water before my catch to avoid getting bubble.  If you see bubble you are pulling against air and not moving.

2008-08-13 5:54 PM
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dexter - 2008-08-12 8:29 PM

As far forward as you can with elbow almost straight.  I like to have my thumb and index finger enter the same.  Scoop the water and pull back towards feet, hand along mid line, elbow bent at 90 degrees.  Push water down straightening arm to side.  -Lots of internal rotation of shoulder.-   You should feel a wave of water travel down your leg.  Return with you hands close to water and elbow up.  That the way I do it.  If you hand isn't moving down your body (ie down to bottom or to side) your just shoving yourself up or to the side.  I turn my head rather then my body to breath.  Yes I do get some rotation but try to stay close to flat as possible. 

Have at it TI guys. 

I agree. Someone on here (I think it was on here) talked about how he did his first masters swim using TI techniques. The coaches were like "What the h&ll are you doing with your hips?" Answer: "Rotating." Coaches: "No, you rotate from the shoulders, not the hips." They did mention that he had great balance, however.

TI will not show you the techniques to swim fast and may actually slow you down. You'll have great balance, which is always a great place to start in developing efficient technique, but it's only the first step. The good balance may make feel like you're swimming fast, but you're not.

2008-08-13 6:08 PM
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2008-08-13 6:38 PM
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docswim24 - 2008-08-13 2:38 PM

This is interesting, as I've been following the TI way (and my swimming is just okay, not great). What do you think about the TI "hiding your head" philosophy, i.e., getting your head low in the water such you are aware of a thin film of water is going over the top of your swim cap?


Head position really varies and should be what you are comfortable/effecient with. That being said, many fast swimmers are somewhere in the middle on head position - not looking straight down, not looking directly forward.


My masters coaches both tell me to get my chin tucked to the point where I FEEL like it's on my chest. It's not, of course, but my head is probably level so the pointy end is slicing through the water! Makes my flip turns fast, as long as I don't ram the wall because I lose my place in the pool! Yeah, I'm fun to swim with.
2008-08-13 7:25 PM
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Can somebody please clarify what is meant by putting the hand in at "the goggle line"? I'm trying to visualize this, as well as mimicking it on land...and I just don't get it. Does it mean that your hand would enter the water right beside your head, where your goggles sit? Because that just seems like a really awkward and unnatural hand entry to me. But perhaps I'm missing something....

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2008-08-13 7:59 PM
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nscrbug - 2008-08-13 7:25 PM Can somebody please clarify what is meant by putting the hand in at "the goggle line"? I'm trying to visualize this, as well as mimicking it on land...and I just don't get it. Does it mean that your hand would enter the water right beside your head, where your goggles sit? Because that just seems like a really awkward and unnatural hand entry to me. But perhaps I'm missing something.... Linda
yes and yes it is akward and IMO inefficient way to swim (sorry TI fans )

2008-08-13 8:05 PM
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I didn't read all of the entries so I don't know if someone has already mentioned this, but Go to goswim.com. They will try to sell you dvd's, but they also have alot of free video clips with someone explaining the technique. You can find a video of pretty much anything from technique to drills.
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John64 - 2008-08-13 8:05 PM

I didn't read all of the entries so I don't know if someone has already mentioned this, but Go to goswim.com. They will try to sell you dvd's, but they also have alot of free video clips with someone explaining the technique. You can find a video of pretty much anything from technique to drills.


Looks like they are revamping their website, because I just went there and there isn't much except for a front page.
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