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 2009-08-07 4:57 PM in reply to: #2334735 |
Master  1557    Maine |  Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions?Mainer22 - 2009-08-07 3:34 PM I've recently started going sockless on the bike in preparation for my next race....Do you rinse or wipe your feet in T1 or just go go go? Just go - the sand/dirt/grass/gravel stuck on your feet after running from the swim will dry out and mostly fall off during the ride. |
| 2009-08-07 8:55 PM in reply to: #2334380 |
Extreme Veteran 314 | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? It has already been discussed, but the 3 biggest factors that reduced my T times were:
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| 2009-08-07 9:41 PM in reply to: #2334996 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-07 4:29 PM hmm to throw a wrench in the mix the USAT even contradicts itself on the helmet strap thing http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/9135/2009_Most_Commonly_Violated_Rules.pdf Second line of the most violated rules is the helmet being strapped 2. Chin Straps: Chin straps must be buckled at all times when on a bicycle. DO NOT unbuckle your chin strap unless you are off your bicycle. Penalty: Disqualification on the course; Variable time penalty in transition area only. You can't be on the bike in transition but says you can get a time penalty if your helmet is not buckled in transition. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Bear quoted earlier in this thread... you can unbuckle it when you get off your bike and are in transition. I didn't see where it said you'd get a penalty if it wasn't buckled in transition... where did it say that? |
| 2009-08-07 11:27 PM in reply to: #2334380 |
Extreme Veteran 626 Wahiawa, Hawaii.... but now in Florence, KY.. | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? Zoot shoes! |
| 2009-08-08 4:36 AM in reply to: #2334380 |
Veteran 173 S.E Asia | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? I am under the impression that your helmet must be on your head and buckled before you un-rack your bike and conversely your bike must be racked before you even touch your helmet to take it off. Could be wrong though. |
| 2009-08-08 7:09 AM in reply to: #2334938 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? the bear - 2009-08-07 4:57 PM mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-07 3:41 PM lisac957 - 2009-08-07 4:17 PM I'm sure someone will paste the official USAT rule book here, but I understood that you had to have your helmet on and clipped only when ON your bike. So once you dismount and enter transition, you are free to take it off at any time. Race Directors may have additional rules. I see a ton of people taking their helmet off as they run the bike into T2. One of the videos I watched recently, maybe one of the ones posted yesterday??, said anytime you are in contact with the bike it must be strapped. I would follow the rules before I followed a random video. In this case, per the USAT, Lisa is correct. 5.9 Helmets. (a) Type of Helmet. All participants shall wear a protective head cover, undamaged and unaltered, which meets or exceeds the safety standards of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). Helmets manufactured prior to March 10, 1999 must meet or exceed the safety standards of (i) the American National Standard Institute (ANSI Z-90.4), (ii) The Snell Memorial Foundation (Protective Headgear for Bicycle Users), or (iii) ASTM F-1446 or F-1447, and which is clearly labeled by the manufacturer as satisfying such standards. Removal of helmet cover, if required for that helmet to meet such safety standards, shall constitute an impermissible alteration in violation of this Section 5.9(a). Any violation of this Section 5.9(a) shall result in disqualification. (b) Chin Strap Violations. The helmet must be fastened before the participant first mounts the bicycle, at all times when the participant is on the bicycle, and must not be unfastened until the participant has dismounted. Any violation of this Section 5.9(b) which occurs while the participant is in the transition area shall result in a variable time penalty. Any other violation of this Section shall result in disqualification. This Section 5.9(b) shall be enforced at all times while at the event site on race day. Recently at a race on my run in from the bike, I simply unclipped my helmet, didn't take it off, and one of the officials made me clip it back until I had racked my bike. But does the above mean it could have been unclipped because I was not on the bike, just running with it? |
| 2009-08-08 7:19 AM in reply to: #2335511 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? karen26.2 - 2009-08-08 7:09 AM Recently at a race on my run in from the bike, I simply unclipped my helmet, didn't take it off, and one of the officials made me clip it back until I had racked my bike. But does the above mean it could have been unclipped because I was not on the bike, just running with it? Per the USAT rules, yes. However, individual race directors are allowed ti impose additional rules if they like, but they should deatil and publicize those additional rules when they do. Could be you just got an overzealous official, and it rarely pays to argue with officials in the heat of competition. |
| 2009-08-08 8:48 AM in reply to: #2334673 |
Member 22 West Chester, PA | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? newbz - 2009-08-07 3:10 PM helmet off while running, rack bike/drop helmet, running shoes on and out. In the last tri I did I don't think we were allow to take our helmets off if we were still touching our bikes - this is not always the case? |
| 2009-08-08 10:58 AM in reply to: #2335347 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Buford GA | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? lisac957 - 2009-08-07 10:41 PM mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-07 4:29 PM hmm to throw a wrench in the mix the USAT even contradicts itself on the helmet strap thing http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/9135/2009_Most_Commonly_Violated_Rules.pdf Second line of the most violated rules is the helmet being strapped 2. Chin Straps: Chin straps must be buckled at all times when on a bicycle. DO NOT unbuckle your chin strap unless you are off your bicycle. Penalty: Disqualification on the course; Variable time penalty in transition area only. You can't be on the bike in transition but says you can get a time penalty if your helmet is not buckled in transition. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Bear quoted earlier in this thread... you can unbuckle it when you get off your bike and are in transition. I didn't see where it said you'd get a penalty if it wasn't buckled in transition... where did it say that? If you can't be on your bike in transition but you can get a penalty for having your helmet unstrapped in transition it would seem that you MUST have it strapped when in transition whether on your bike or not. It seems it is not as simple as just going by what the rule says because according to the rule you could get a penalty not having it strapped in transition. |
| 2009-08-08 12:22 PM in reply to: #2335754 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-08 10:58 AM lisac957 - 2009-08-07 10:41 PM mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-07 4:29 PM hmm to throw a wrench in the mix the USAT even contradicts itself on the helmet strap thing http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/9135/2009_Most_Commonly_Violated_Rules.pdf Second line of the most violated rules is the helmet being strapped 2. Chin Straps: Chin straps must be buckled at all times when on a bicycle. DO NOT unbuckle your chin strap unless you are off your bicycle. Penalty: Disqualification on the course; Variable time penalty in transition area only. You can't be on the bike in transition but says you can get a time penalty if your helmet is not buckled in transition. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Bear quoted earlier in this thread... you can unbuckle it when you get off your bike and are in transition. I didn't see where it said you'd get a penalty if it wasn't buckled in transition... where did it say that? If you can't be on your bike in transition but you can get a penalty for having your helmet unstrapped in transition it would seem that you MUST have it strapped when in transition whether on your bike or not. It seems it is not as simple as just going by what the rule says because according to the rule you could get a penalty not having it strapped in transition. Only when you're on the bike. The rule is pretty clear in that regard. There is no contradiction.. The way it was explained to me, the part about the variable time period is there because some races do allow you to ride in transition. I've never seen one, but that's what I've been told. (by senior officials and the regional head of officiating). The bigger question I would have, regardless of the rule, is why would you want to have your helmet off or unstrapped while the bike isn't racked? I have enough to do running with the bike and racking it without worrying about my helmet being anywhere but firmly attached to my head. |
| 2009-08-08 1:35 PM in reply to: #2334380 |
Veteran 215 | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? I just had a vision of me throwing my helmet over my swim cap. I've heard people say they forgot to take off their helmet before the run, but has anyone forgotten to pull off the swim cap before the bike? Doesn't seem like it would be a big deal really. |
| 2009-08-08 3:09 PM in reply to: #2335846 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Buford GA | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? the bear - 2009-08-08 1:22 PM mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-08 10:58 AM lisac957 - 2009-08-07 10:41 PM mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-07 4:29 PM hmm to throw a wrench in the mix the USAT even contradicts itself on the helmet strap thing http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/9135/2009_Most_Commonly_Violated_Rules.pdf Second line of the most violated rules is the helmet being strapped 2. Chin Straps: Chin straps must be buckled at all times when on a bicycle. DO NOT unbuckle your chin strap unless you are off your bicycle. Penalty: Disqualification on the course; Variable time penalty in transition area only. You can't be on the bike in transition but says you can get a time penalty if your helmet is not buckled in transition. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Bear quoted earlier in this thread... you can unbuckle it when you get off your bike and are in transition. I didn't see where it said you'd get a penalty if it wasn't buckled in transition... where did it say that? If you can't be on your bike in transition but you can get a penalty for having your helmet unstrapped in transition it would seem that you MUST have it strapped when in transition whether on your bike or not. It seems it is not as simple as just going by what the rule says because according to the rule you could get a penalty not having it strapped in transition. Only when you're on the bike. The rule is pretty clear in that regard. There is no contradiction.. The way it was explained to me, the part about the variable time period is there because some races do allow you to ride in transition. I've never seen one, but that's what I've been told. (by senior officials and the regional head of officiating). Its not clear, you may think its clear but it is not to everyone and just because you read it one way does not make it so. I am not saying that you are wrong as you are telling everyone else I am just saying that its not clear. And I am sorry but you can't throw out a "how it was explained" to me after you tell everyone else they can't go by how it was explained to them. The rule is not clear and "how it was explained to me" and "how it was explained to you" seem to contradict each other. The rule is not cut and dry and like many rules/laws need interpretation at times, neither you nor I or anyone else on this site is really in a position to do that interpreting officially. |
| 2009-08-08 5:50 PM in reply to: #2334380 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Tips for Fast Transitions? mrtopher1980 - 2009-08-08 3:09 PM The rule is not cut and dry and like many rules/laws need interpretation at times, neither you nor I or anyone else on this site is really in a position to do that interpreting officially. I believe I am, I'm a Cat 3 USAT official, have worked a quite a few races over the past three years including IM70.3, have attended a couple certification clinics over that period, where this question has arisen and been answered the way I relayed earlier by our regional head of officials who teacjes the class. Not claiming to be the end-all and be-all of USAT officiating by any means, but experienced enough, and educated enough on this particular rule that I would never call this infraction on a participant not on the bike. Not unless the race director had an additional, well-publicized rule that specified it as a violation. So what level, and how much training and experience do you have, as a USAT official? Who explained the rule to you (besides that video on this site that you cited in your first post on the subject)? Edited by the bear 2009-08-08 6:04 PM |
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