The Heisman (Page 2)

That's not seaweed. It's called a Ti Leaf Lei. Only the Kahuna were allowed to wear them in ancient Hawaii.

I'm not sure how staged that was. I mean the Kukui nut lei is way more common among men. When I met Gov Abercrombie at his birthday party, he was wearing Kukui, not Ti. Same with Senator Daniel Inouye. There was also a guy who is famed to have 100% Hawaiian blood, no Ha'ole blood. He wore Kukui.

I know the Ironman winner gets a Ti leaf lei and I think that is a closer tie to the Big Island than Oahu where Mantai is from. There are so many sacred sights on the Big Island and that is where Kamehameha was from. I think the Ha'ole liked Oahu because of Pearl Harbor.

I think it would've been great to have Mantai win. Hawaiians could use a hero like him. Good academics, leader, etc. they haven't had much to cheer for lately...except that whole president thing...

They are the first team to go from unranked (including no honorable mention votes) to the BCS Championship. They didn't do so like Auburn, by finding an amazing Juco player for a year, they did so by gelling together and playing like a team. The guy who most helped them gel was definitely Te'o.

If they win the NC, it's largely because of Te'o and if they don't, it's still an incredible run for a team that had been given up for dead because they still make their players go to class and pass tests to play.

Manziel now has to play with that trophy on his back for the next 2 years and then he'll likely not do much in the pros because he's shorter than Lee Corso. I don't know how A&Ms defense holds up over that same period, but they have been really good this year too.

The kid from Kerrville is exciting and I enjoy watching him. But I agree that there were probably more deserving players in college football who don't get any attention.

Not to mention they are the first team to finish 1st in the BCS and 1st in the Academic standings as well.

Your original comment did not refer to the Aggies schedule as a whole. You stated that Manziel went 1-2 against competitive football teams. 

#2 Alabama 12-1 SEC Champion W

#3 Florida 11-1 L

#4 LSU 10 -2 L

#6 Stanford, #11 Oklahoma, #18 Michigan and unranked USC are obviously the best teams Notre  Dame beat this year. My question is do you think that any of these teams are better than the competition Manziel went 1-2 against? You don't have to answer because Bowl Season will more then answer our question. Alabama vs. Notre Dame and A&M vs Oklahoma will be very telling of what teams are good as product of their scheduling.

While I have no doubt that he was the most valuable player for his team, to compare stats compiled against MAC defenses vs stats compiled against Big 12 or SEC competition is a stretch to say the least. Lynch only had 54 yards passing in his one game against BCS competition.

Of the 3 finalists, I would have given it to Klein. I also would not have complained if USC's Lee was in the running. From a pure talent standpoint, I think he was the most impressive player in the country.

Without a doubt the biggest snub of the awards season was Phillip Thomas not getting the Jim Thorpe award. He put up twice the stats of any other defensive back, but he doesn't play in the SEC, which is apparently now a requirement for the award.

While I have no doubt that he was the best defensive back for his team, to compare stats compiled against Mountain West defenses vs stats compiled against Big 12 or SEC competition is a stretch to say the least.

Just aiming for a little consistency...

Look, I'll admit to know pretty much nothing about how the Heisman winners are selected.  I just wanted to post a huge

WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gig'em!

That.is.all.

To be honest, I've been disappointed in the Heisman for a very long time.  Ever since Troy Davis was denied two years in a row, but more importantly the second year when he lost to Danny Wuerffel in '96.  All because he was on one of the worst teams that had swiss cheese for an offensive line.  I am NOT an ISU fan, but that man got ripped off. 

I'm not saying that Te'o got ripped off.  Heck, he was up against being a pure defensive player AND someone who put up some crazy yardage.  And the Southern bias probably didn't help. 

82 v 59 tackles

8 v 4 interceptions

3 v 0 touchdowns

8 v 3 forced fumbles

You could be playing in the Big East and those numbers should still win you the award.

In cases where the statistics are even remotely similar, I think you have to give it to the player that has played the better competition. This isn't one of those cases.

I do not think they should award the Heisman until after the Bowl games. I can't  remember his name (Troy Smith I think), but I think it was the OSU QB that won and then had a horrible bowl game a few years ago!

Honestly, none of these players really excited me enough to care about watching the Heisman presentation.

I believe Troy Smith had 6 yds of offense in that game. Went on to an illustrious NFL career as well.

He was 4 of 14, passing for 35yds, no TD's and an interception against the UF Gators.  The classic moment from the game was when the OSU band did the sinking of the Titanic during their halftime show...

Mark 

He also had -29 yds rushing (sacks count as rushing yds in college)