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2007-10-02 10:58 AM
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Jimbo, please count your way down to post 14. Cracker DID edit the quote to include the word NASCAR. Take the time to read the post before shooting from the hip. Do  I   n e e d    t o  g o   s l o o o o o o o o w e r  ?

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jimbo - 2007-10-02 10:46 AM

i know that what you probably meant to suggest is that you're surprised he didn't include NASCAR in his caricature of rightwing neocons.


First off, NASCAR fans may be construed as a whole as right-wing neocons. I mean, there ARE a lot of `Rush is Right' and `You can have my gun when you pull it from my cold, dead hands' and `Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve' and `Kiss my Bass' (with a photo of a fish) bumper stickers in the crowd. I done seen 'em! Oh oh!!! And gun racks. Lots of gun racks.

he called neocons chickenhawks and fans of the WWF (WWE). that's harsh.


Yeah. Why would you say something so evil about fans of the WWF and WWE??? Harsh, man.
2007-10-02 11:04 AM
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 11:50 AM
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 10:56 AM
run4yrlif - 2007-10-02 9:40 AM
mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 10:36 AM I said he was highly opinionated or do you mean to say you feel he is highly influential?

He *is* highly influential.

So there is an organized effort under way to discredit him then?

Rush is extremely adept at discrediting himself.

It's all theatrics. He doesn't influence anyone; he just preaches to his own choir of nattering nabobs.

 

Then why do other groups go out of their way to discredit him? Giving someone press, positive or negative, gives them some degree of credibility. You certainly won't convince dittoheads to become liberal thinkers. You might actually convince fence sitters to go listen and possibly continue to listen.

You'd have to ask those other groups why they like to shine the light on Rush when he's at his most stupid. I don't work for those groups but I'll hazard a guess that they like to make all conservative folks Rush supporters look even more stupid by Rush-association. At a minimum, since Rush likes to fancy himself as the Poster Child of the Right then he should expect that people are going to ridicule the Poster Child when he's being ridiculous. But, seriously, serious people don't take Rush seriously. Rush is just an entertainer and he lives by ratings. The more inflammatory he is, the more attention he gets. This is just entertainment. Base, ugly entertainment.

Giving someone press gives them some degree of credibilty? Do you think Britney Spears' press gives her credibility, too? Course not. I think calling Rush out on his more ludicrous statements just points out what a dingbat he is. Personally, I could do without it because it distracts from the real and serious debates that are going on in our fair country. I already know the man is a dingleberry. I don't need more stories to confirm his dingleberriness.



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2007-10-02 11:14 AM
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run4yrlif - 2007-10-02 10:34 AM
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 10:36 AM I said he was highly opinionated or do you mean to say you feel he is highly influential?

He *is* highly influential.

So there is an organized effort under way to discredit him then?

Huh?

I guess in the context that there's an organized effort to discredit anyone of influence, sure. BUt I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Limbaugh's words sort of speak for themselves.

So why bother to discredit him? You have an influential blowhard that has a platform you don't agree with. Let him blather on as he deems fit? Or is his influence a threat your platform?
2007-10-02 11:16 AM
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Renee - 2007-10-02 12:04 PM

Giving someone press gives them some degree of credibilty? Do you think Britney Spears' press gives her credibility, too? Course not. 

Getting a bunch of press doesn't give someone credibility, but having a large sphere of influence does, for better or for worse, and whether it's deserved or not. Limbaugh is arguably the father of the neo-con movement, and he has literally millions of minions. Legislators listen to him. He *is* influential.

2007-10-02 11:18 AM
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Renee - 2007-10-02 11:04 AM
mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 11:50 AM
Renee - 2007-10-02 10:23 AM
mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 10:56 AM
run4yrlif - 2007-10-02 9:40 AM
mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 10:36 AM I said he was highly opinionated or do you mean to say you feel he is highly influential?

He *is* highly influential.

So there is an organized effort under way to discredit him then?

Rush is extremely adept at discrediting himself.

It's all theatrics. He doesn't influence anyone; he just preaches to his own choir of nattering nabobs.

 

Then why do other groups go out of their way to discredit him? Giving someone press, positive or negative, gives them some degree of credibility. You certainly won't convince dittoheads to become liberal thinkers. You might actually convince fence sitters to go listen and possibly continue to listen.

You'd have to ask those other groups why they like to shine the light on Rush when he's at his most stupid. I don't work for those groups but I'll hazard a guess that they like to make all conservative folks Rush supporters look even more stupid by Rush-association. At a minimum, since Rush likes to fancy himself as the Poster Child of the Right then he should expect that people are going to ridicule the Poster Child when he's being ridiculous. But, seriously, serious people don't take Rush seriously. Rush is just an entertainer and he lives by ratings. The more inflammatory he is, the more attention he gets. This is just entertainment. Base, ugly entertainment.

Giving someone press gives them some degree of credibilty? Do you think Britney Spears' press gives her credibility, too? Course not. I think calling Rush out on his more ludicrous statements just points out what a dingbat he is. Personally, I could do without it because it distracts from the real and serious debates that are going on in our fair country. I already know the man is a dingleberry. I don't need more stories to confirm his dingleberriness.

LMAO, well put Renee. I didn't believe dingleberriness was a word so I looked it up. There was a picture of Rush in there. Who knew?


2007-10-02 11:51 AM
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Stop the presses.....

Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops.

Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.
2007-10-02 12:03 PM
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 11:58 AM

Jimbo, please count your way down to post 14. Cracker DID edit the quote to include the word NASCAR. Take the time to read the post before shooting from the hip. Do I n e e d t o g o s l o o o o o o o o w e r ?


good lord. he edited his post at your suggestion. and that he edited it does nothing to negate the fact that you are the one who suggested he include NASCAR with the WWF and rush limbaugh in the category of prearranged entertainment, thereby suggesting that you think NASCAR is fixed. why is this so difficult for you to understand?

anyway, my post was not directed at him. it was directed at you. and it had nothing to do with his edit.

and no, you don't need to go slower. although you could say that the whole point of this exchange is that you need to think through your arguments more carefully. afterall, you're the one who has compared voter photo ID laws which would disenfranchise the elderly with efforts to provide all the elderly with health insurance.

and come on, be a little more original in your barbs---i had just said "i'll type slowly...", so something along the lines of "i'll use phonetic spelling if that would help" would have been a better choice than simply mimicking what i'd said.

and as for political caricatures and stereotyping, despite your protestation here at the simplification of neocons and their beliefs, you're the one who said in another thread, "I had no idea that Marxists, Socialists and those leaning left would be offended by the same stereotyping. No, I am not calling anyone here a Marxist, Socialist or Liberal. I just fell into the trap of thinking that a Democrat, Liberal, and anything left of center was the same thing. They aren't and I see that now. Just stating that I learned something new today is all."

but hey, at least we're making progress.

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nbo10 - 2007-10-02 11:51 AM Stop the presses..... Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops. Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.
Because while they are an embarassment to the Democratic party, they are not a threat. If it is an embarassment to the party it gets whisked under the rug. If you are a threat, an honest to God force that can't be silenced by media censorship, you are to be destroyed and discredited by any means available.
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nbo10 - 2007-10-02 12:51 PM

Stop the presses.....

Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops.

Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.


What exactly did Kerry and Murtha say?

What amazes me is the lack of outrage at how Kerry's military career was besmirched for political gain.
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nbo10 - 2007-10-02 12:51 PM Stop the presses..... Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops. Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.

Tell me how a reasonable person is supposed to gather that a man, using plurals (repeatedly) and never mentioning a single person's name in an entire conversation, that he's actually talking about that one, single person?

Here's the Kerry quote to which (I think) you're referring:

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not..."

Question: If you're in bed, asleep, and suddenly soldiers barge into your house, would you be terrified? I sure as hell would.



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nbo10 - 2007-10-02 11:51 AM

Stop the presses.....

Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops.

Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.


Murtha is on trial in a defamation case as we speak. And as for Kerry, well, look at his political career going down the drain because of his so-called `jokes' ...

Yet Rush's career flourishes when he says something stupid.

Besides, is the `they-did-it-so-we-can-do-it-too' defense really what you want to go with?
2007-10-02 12:16 PM
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Murtha (can't find a direct quote) reacted to the murder charges relating to the civilian killings in Haditha. For the record, a few soldiers murdering civilians is not an indictment against all soldiers.

Limbaugh's words spoke against good soldiers merely saying they want to come home. Comparing the two groups is despicable.

2007-10-02 12:25 PM
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Jimbo, please don't throw apples in the orange cart here by going to another subject posted by me elsewhere. On the subject at hand, your argument with me seems to be that you are certain that I believe NASCAR is rigged? Is that all you are hung up on or is there more? You seem to keep going back to the same line. I thought I made it clear that my request to include NASCAR was strictly for the purpose of completing the stereotype that I felt cracker was shooting for. He seemed to agree that it needed to be in there and he in fact did edit his quote to include the word NASCAR. Do I believe NASCAR is rigged? I won't give you my opinion on that one because I don't think it is relevant to the discussion.

As far as the slooow part goes, I apologize for including that. Getting down to insulting on a personal level is not appropriate and serves no purpose in a discussion.

2007-10-02 12:33 PM
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nbo10 - 2007-10-02 12:51 PM Stop the presses..... Rush uses plural instead of singular during a 3 hours talk radio show and it proves without a doubt he's hates the troops. Why don't I hear the same outrage when elected officials like Kerry, 1971 & 200?, and Murtha, 2006, call US soldiers terrorist and murders.
What exactly did Kerry and Murtha say? What amazes me is the lack of outrage at how Kerry's military career was besmirched for political gain.
I think John Kerry did more damage to his own "military career" on his own by his own anti-war activities upon returning from VN. As far as calling it a career? I think Kerry's military career was pretty similar to the one W enjoyed. To Kerry's credit, he actually did make it in-country where the war was being fought.
2007-10-02 12:43 PM
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 1:33 PM [

I think Kerry's military career was pretty similar to the one W enjoyed. To Kerry's credit, he actually did make it in-country where the war was being fought.

Dood. Comparing the military career (actual duties performed) of a soldier who was put in harm's way - someone who actually had to use his gun and dodge bullets in a foreign land - to a soldier who never left the safety of his nation's warm bosom is pretty much a case of gross mischaracterization of their military careers. Love or hate either one of them, one of these guys put his life in mortal peril in service to his country, while the other was never in danger of being shot at.

I'm not saying a soldier who never leaves the US is any less of a soldier than one who does see combat. I'm just saying that their 'careers' are light years apart.

Can't believe you tried to argue that their service was similar... in what way were they similar? They both had to wear uniforms?

And this entire line of 'discussion' is what I dislike about Rush. The guy is a giant booob, anything that comes out of his mouth is drivel and people start to actually debate drivel! Likes it's actually a serious discussion or something! Rush sits back and watches the verbal carnage and thinks "Ahhhh my work here is done." The man brings zero value to the public forum but plenty of WWF type of 'discourse' and verbal entertainment. And real issues are ignored. Suckers!!!!



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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 1:25 PM

On the subject at hand, your argument with me seems to be that you are certain that I believe NASCAR is rigged? Is that all you are hung up on or is there more? You seem to keep going back to the same line. I thought I made it clear that my request to include NASCAR was strictly for the purpose of completing the stereotype that I felt cracker was shooting for. He seemed to agree that it needed to be in there and he in fact did edit his quote to include the word NASCAR. Do I believe NASCAR is rigged? I won't give you my opinion on that one because I don't think it is relevant to the discussion.



no, i don't actually think that you believe nascar is rigged.
you made a statement which, while not your intent, when read at face value suggested nascar is rigged.
i used that to make a sarcastic comment about nascar being fixed. maybe i should have been more liberal in my use of the sarc font.
you seemed not to understand that comment of why your statement could be interpreted as such.
i explained, the back and forth ensued, and here we are.
i included other things you've said in other threads to make the point that your arguments don't always make sense, and that it doesn't make sense for you to get into a political thread and then cry foul when someone makes a generalization about neocons when you yourself admitted that it took you until 2007 to realize that everyone left of center isn't a marxist.

as for the slooow comment, i've obviously got no problem with snarkiness in an otherwise trivial thread with a hyperbolic title. this isn't tea-time at the four seasons.

but this seems like a moment where we need common ground. and i like to suggest pie. you like pie? i like pie.
2007-10-02 1:12 PM
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Renee, I think you misinterpreted my statement. I did give Kerry credit for going to the country where the war was being fought. I have absolutely no idea what he did during the war other than the fact that he was Navy, in a swiftboat outfit and he was subjected to combat. W was in the Guard and did not go to VN, no combat, but much drinking and carousing. I'm hung up on the term "military career." I think of a military career as 20 year commitment or staying in long enough to draw a pension. A non-com lifer or a career officer who does more than the minimum requirement. What Kerry and W did was a short hitch that was necessary for their political futures and not what I would consider a career. That was the comparison I was trying to make.

 

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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 1:12 PM

Renee, I think you misinterpreted my statement. I did give Kerry credit for going to the country where the war was being fought. I have absolutely no idea what he did during the war other than the fact that he was Navy, in a swiftboat outfit and he was subjected to combat. W was in the Guard and did not go to VN, no combat, but much drinking and carousing. I'm hung up on the term "military career." I think of a military career as 20 year commitment or staying in long enough to draw a pension. A non-com lifer or a career officer who does more than the minimum requirement. What Kerry and W did was a short hitch that was necessary for their political futures and not what I would consider a career. That was the comparison I was trying to make.

 



Uh oh. You may have just raised the ire of all the veterans who didn't `retire' from the military or serve 20 years.
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mdg2003 - 2007-10-02 1:12 PM

Renee, I think you misinterpreted my statement. I did give Kerry credit for going to the country where the war was being fought. I have absolutely no idea what he did during the war other than the fact that he was Navy, in a swiftboat outfit and he was subjected to combat. W was in the Guard and did not go to VN, no combat, but much drinking and carousing. I'm hung up on the term "military career." I think of a military career as 20 year commitment or staying in long enough to draw a pension. A non-com lifer or a career officer who does more than the minimum requirement. What Kerry and W did was a short hitch that was necessary for their political futures and not what I would consider a career. That was the comparison I was trying to make.

 

Uh oh. You may have just raised the ire of all the veterans who didn't `retire' from the military or serve 20 years.

Yeah.

W. = draft avoider. Kerry = not so much.

2007-10-02 1:25 PM
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This has quickly devolved into one of the goofiest threads ever.

Personally, I see statements just within the last 5 or 6 posts that I find offensive in one way or another, from all sides of the argument.

Nicely done with beating the hornet's nest, Jim.



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My views might make a little more sense if you merely read what I am writing and take them as and opinion or view that is different than yours, not as an argument. I did not cry foul about the neo con generalization. I was given a warning by BT for using the words" all liberals." I was informed that this kind of generalization was not going to be tolerated. I was merely highlighting the fact that a double standard exists on BT forums. You were not privy to that info until now and I can see why you were confused. My post you went out of the apple cart to retrieve from the orange tree was also a statement to that effect and should have been written in the font. If BT is going to play sides in forum moderation I am forced to be more selective in my wording.

Pie sounds good.......

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Scout7 - 2007-10-02 1:25 PM

Personally, I see statements just within the last 5 or 6 posts that I find offensive in one way or another, from all sides of the argument.



That's because YOU hate America.
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(...carefully stepping in....)

Isn't this basically what the issue is all about.

(...quickly stepping out...)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/anti-war-youtub.html

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Scout7 - 2007-10-02 2:25 PM

Nicely done with beating the hornet's nest, Jim.

Always a pleasure.

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