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 2012-11-01 3:48 PM in reply to: #4479290 |
 Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida |  Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Pollrayd - 2012-11-01 4:38 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 2:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History hmmmmmmm... more soldiers sent home from Afghanistan in body bags in 4-years than the previous eight. Sorry, just had to edit that to make it clear. there were 1049 from invasion (2001 to the end of 2008) There have been 2147 from 2009 to date.
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| 2012-11-01 3:51 PM in reply to: #4479280 |
Master  2277   Lake Norman, NC | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll tuwood - 2012-11-01 4:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Huh?!
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| 2012-11-01 4:06 PM in reply to: #4479316 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-11-01 3:51 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 4:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Huh?!
If you adjust for inflation I think it was the 3rd or 4th largest tax increase. Either way it was a massive tax increase on the bottom 98% of earners. |
| 2012-11-01 4:17 PM in reply to: #4479129 |
Master 1440 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll GomesBolt - 2012-11-01 3:50 PM Try not voting for Mitt Romney after watching this... Much funnier |
| 2012-11-01 5:07 PM in reply to: #4479316 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-11-01 3:51 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 4:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Huh?!
? I'm not sure what you're trying to show about the Obama presidency with a graph that ends in 2004. |
| 2012-11-01 5:24 PM in reply to: #4479346 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll tuwood - 2012-11-01 5:06 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-11-01 3:51 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 4:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Huh?!
If you adjust for inflation I think it was the 3rd or 4th largest tax increase. Either way it was a massive tax increase on the bottom 98% of earners. A massive tax hike on the bottom 98%? My taxes didn't go up...I'm middle class. My friends and family, middle class, same thing. Care to post a source? |
| 2012-11-01 6:03 PM in reply to: #4479526 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 5:24 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 5:06 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-11-01 3:51 PM tuwood - 2012-11-01 4:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Huh?!
If you adjust for inflation I think it was the 3rd or 4th largest tax increase. Either way it was a massive tax increase on the bottom 98% of earners. A massive tax hike on the bottom 98%? My taxes didn't go up...I'm middle class. My friends and family, middle class, same thing. Care to post a source? Your taxes were raised when ACA passed. They just intentionally set it up so you didn't have to pay any of the taxes until after the election. |
| 2012-11-01 6:18 PM in reply to: #4479587 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Your taxes were raised when ACA passed. They just intentionally set it up so you didn't have to pay any of the taxes until after the election. Funny how the conservative argument against the constitutionality of the ACA's individual mandate relied on the argument that it was not a tax and therefore Congress didn't have the power to force Americans to buy insurance. The SC decision which upheld the ACA was decided by John Roberts insisting that it was, in fact, a tax, contradicting most conservatives. And now you're calling it a tax again. I guess that's fair since the SC decided it is. But it seems contradictory to what most conservatives were actually arguing. Call it what you want but I just want some consistency Edited by spudone 2012-11-01 6:31 PM |
| 2012-11-01 6:39 PM in reply to: #4479602 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll spudone - 2012-11-01 6:18 PM Your taxes were raised when ACA passed. They just intentionally set it up so you didn't have to pay any of the taxes until after the election. Funny how the conservative argument against the constitutionality of the ACA's individual mandate relied on the argument that it was not a tax and therefore Congress didn't have the power to force Americans to buy insurance. The SC decision which upheld the ACA was decided by John Roberts insisting that it was, in fact, a tax, contradicting most conservatives. And now you're calling it a tax again. I guess that's fair since the SC decided it is. But it seems contradictory to what most conservatives were actually arguing. Call it what you want but I just want some consistency I'm not sure at all that was or is the basis upon which conservatives argued against the individual mandate. I think most argued that it was unconstitutional for the government to force every individual by rule of law to purchase a product whether they wanted it or not. However, it was ruled a tax by Roberts so that is what it is now. |
| 2012-11-01 6:51 PM in reply to: #4479587 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Your taxes were raised when ACA passed. They just intentionally set it up so you didn't have to pay any of the taxes until after the election.
The first reference is from a Republican Congresswoman, and the second says to go to Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform website for further details. Hardly an unbiased assessment. Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2012-11-01 6:52 PM |
| 2012-11-01 7:25 PM in reply to: #4478734 |
Expert 1146 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Romney. |
| 2012-11-01 11:13 PM in reply to: #4478734 |
Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. |
| 2012-11-01 11:20 PM in reply to: #4479858 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll bootygirl - 2012-11-01 11:13 PM A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. Not critical, just wondering why? By all accounts he is a great husband and father. I hear women saying what you are saying, but what makes you go there? I'm just curious. Again, I won't be critical. |
| 2012-11-02 8:29 AM in reply to: #4479863 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Left Brain - 2012-11-01 11:20 PM bootygirl - 2012-11-01 11:13 PM A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. Not critical, just wondering why? By all accounts he is a great husband and father. I hear women saying what you are saying, but what makes you go there? I'm just curious. Again, I won't be critical. I spent the weekend with my extended in-laws, and I hung out with the women drinking wine and talking politics. These are all southern, conservative, Baptist women. These are not my opinions, and n=9, so take it for what it's worth. Not a single lady like Romney, and from what I gathered it's not him specifically, but his religion. They all viewed the Mormon religion as one that considers men superior to women. It wasn't just the past polygamy beliefs, they had a bunch of complaints on how the church oppresses women. I won't bother writing them, because I have no idea if any of them were true and some seemed pretty far out there. I'm guessing there was probably a bunch of misinformation thrown about during the primaries when the bible belt was trying to get people to vote for Santorum or Newt. None of these women will vote for Obama, they all despise him. About half said they were still going to vote Romney to make sure Obama is a one term guy. The other half seemed on the fence between voting Romney and staying home. Of course, I did my best to pick up a couple more Gary Johnson votes. |
| 2012-11-02 8:38 AM in reply to: #4480136 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll kevin_trapp - 2012-11-02 9:29 AM Left Brain - 2012-11-01 11:20 PM bootygirl - 2012-11-01 11:13 PM A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. Not critical, just wondering why? By all accounts he is a great husband and father. I hear women saying what you are saying, but what makes you go there? I'm just curious. Again, I won't be critical. I spent the weekend with my extended in-laws, and I hung out with the women drinking wine and talking politics. These are all southern, conservative, Baptist women. These are not my opinions, and n=9, so take it for what it's worth. Not a single lady like Romney, and from what I gathered it's not him specifically, but his religion. They all viewed the Mormon religion as one that considers men superior to women. It wasn't just the past polygamy beliefs, they had a bunch of complaints on how the church oppresses women. I won't bother writing them, because I have no idea if any of them were true and some seemed pretty far out there. I'm guessing there was probably a bunch of misinformation thrown about during the primaries when the bible belt was trying to get people to vote for Santorum or Newt. None of these women will vote for Obama, they all despise him. About half said they were still going to vote Romney to make sure Obama is a one term guy. The other half seemed on the fence between voting Romney and staying home. Of course, I did my best to pick up a couple more Gary Johnson votes. the baptist church and most "sects" of christianity rank men above women pretty consistently, interesting that they would make this a deciding factor. as far as the "how can a woman vote romney" thing, i don't really get it either. i don't know, i've always been able to get BC when i wanted it, never wanted nor will have an abortion, but even if i did, i just don't believe that should be my primary criteria for choosing the freaking president. i'm only 30 so i'm fortunate to have not lived through any REAL oppression of women, my opinion might be completely different if it were still legal to discriminate hiring practices based on gender, or if i had only just acheived my right to vote, or hell, wear pants to work (my stepmother fondly reminisces about the day the skirts/dresses only rule was lifted early in HER professional career.) i just personally find other issues far more relevant to the president's job, responsibilities, and accountability. |
| 2012-11-02 8:53 AM in reply to: #4480154 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll mehaner - 2012-11-02 9:38 AM as far as the "how can a woman vote romney" thing, i don't really get it either. i don't know, i've always been able to get BC when i wanted it, never wanted nor will have an abortion, but even if i did, i just don't believe that should be my primary criteria for choosing the freaking president. i'm only 30 so i'm fortunate to have not lived through any REAL oppression of women, my opinion might be completely different if it were still legal to discriminate hiring practices based on gender, or if i had only just acheived my right to vote, or hell, wear pants to work (my stepmother fondly reminisces about the day the skirts/dresses only rule was lifted early in HER professional career.) i just personally find other issues far more relevant to the president's job, responsibilities, and accountability. (slow clap) well stated... |
| 2012-11-02 9:14 AM in reply to: #4480154 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll mehaner - 2012-11-02 9:38 AM the baptist church and most "sects" of christianity rank men above women pretty consistently, interesting that they would make this a deciding factor. Apparently so does the Obama Administration: Female Mormons are not the brainwashed stepford wives people make them out to be. Every one I've ever met (and I know quite a few) have been pretty strong, intelligent women who are leaders of their family. Their religion afterall was created by pioneers, so they come from a long line of women who had to be strong to survive. I may disagree with their stands on faith specifics, but mormons aspire to a much higher ethical standard than most Americans. The "War on Women" thing is absurd. Especially when you have Bill Clinton campaigning for Obama. |
| 2012-11-02 11:52 AM in reply to: #4480228 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll GomesBolt - 2012-11-02 10:14 AM mehaner - 2012-11-02 9:38 AM the baptist church and most "sects" of christianity rank men above women pretty consistently, interesting that they would make this a deciding factor. Apparently so does the Obama Administration: Female Mormons are not the brainwashed stepford wives people make them out to be. Every one I've ever met (and I know quite a few) have been pretty strong, intelligent women who are leaders of their family. Their religion afterall was created by pioneers, so they come from a long line of women who had to be strong to survive. I may disagree with their stands on faith specifics, but mormons aspire to a much higher ethical standard than most Americans. The "War on Women" thing is absurd. Especially when you have Bill Clinton campaigning for Obama. Are you trying to say Bill doesn't like women? |
| 2012-11-02 11:55 AM in reply to: #4478734 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Oh no, he loves the ladies. Just that love (in his way) is not always the same as RESPECT. Sock it to me! |
| 2012-11-02 11:57 AM in reply to: #4478734 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll Mitt Romney sends kittens and puppies to China as food for his outsourced labor while keeping his wives chained up in the basements of his mansions next to his magical underpants. Barak Obama has a secret mosque in the basement of the White House where he prays to Allah while performing partial -birth abortions on welfare moms using government money. Now that we're agreed on the facts, can we PLEASE get this election over with? Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2012-11-02 11:58 AM |
| 2012-11-02 12:00 PM in reply to: #4480188 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll TriRSquared - 2012-11-02 8:53 AM mehaner - 2012-11-02 9:38 AM as far as the "how can a woman vote romney" thing, i don't really get it either. i don't know, i've always been able to get BC when i wanted it, never wanted nor will have an abortion, but even if i did, i just don't believe that should be my primary criteria for choosing the freaking president. i'm only 30 so i'm fortunate to have not lived through any REAL oppression of women, my opinion might be completely different if it were still legal to discriminate hiring practices based on gender, or if i had only just acheived my right to vote, or hell, wear pants to work (my stepmother fondly reminisces about the day the skirts/dresses only rule was lifted early in HER professional career.) i just personally find other issues far more relevant to the president's job, responsibilities, and accountability. (slow clap) well stated... x2 |
| 2012-11-02 12:07 PM in reply to: #4480136 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll kevin_trapp - 2012-11-02 9:29 AM Left Brain - 2012-11-01 11:20 PM bootygirl - 2012-11-01 11:13 PM A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. Not critical, just wondering why? By all accounts he is a great husband and father. I hear women saying what you are saying, but what makes you go there? I'm just curious. Again, I won't be critical. I spent the weekend with my extended in-laws, and I hung out with the women drinking wine and talking politics. These are all southern, conservative, Baptist women. These are not my opinions, and n=9, so take it for what it's worth. Not a single lady like Romney, and from what I gathered it's not him specifically, but his religion. They all viewed the Mormon religion as one that considers men superior to women. It wasn't just the past polygamy beliefs, they had a bunch of complaints on how the church oppresses women. I won't bother writing them, because I have no idea if any of them were true and some seemed pretty far out there. I'm guessing there was probably a bunch of misinformation thrown about during the primaries when the bible belt was trying to get people to vote for Santorum or Newt. None of these women will vote for Obama, they all despise him. About half said they were still going to vote Romney to make sure Obama is a one term guy. The other half seemed on the fence between voting Romney and staying home. Of course, I did my best to pick up a couple more Gary Johnson votes. Anyone looking for Romney's position on Women should consult this flowchart: http://www.upworthy.com/all-of-mitt-romneys-fancy-lady-policies-in-one-handy-flowchart?g=2&c=ufb1 Know that's tongue-in-cheek. But upworthy won the week. |
| 2012-11-02 12:14 PM in reply to: #4478734 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll I'm voting for B33TZ!! |
| 2012-11-02 5:06 PM in reply to: #4480154 |
| Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll mehaner - 2012-11-02 6:38 AM kevin_trapp - 2012-11-02 9:29 AM Left Brain - 2012-11-01 11:20 PM bootygirl - 2012-11-01 11:13 PM A left leaning independent, I vote Obama. I think it is such a toss up, I am steeling myself and trying to think positive. maybe the "worst" is not as bad as I fear. Not doing too well at that effort. I fall into the " how can ANY woman vote Romney!?" Camp. Not critical, just wondering why? By all accounts he is a great husband and father. I hear women saying what you are saying, but what makes you go there? I'm just curious. Again, I won't be critical. I spent the weekend with my extended in-laws, and I hung out with the women drinking wine and talking politics. These are all southern, conservative, Baptist women. These are not my opinions, and n=9, so take it for what it's worth. Not a single lady like Romney, and from what I gathered it's not him specifically, but his religion. They all viewed the Mormon religion as one that considers men superior to women. It wasn't just the past polygamy beliefs, they had a bunch of complaints on how the church oppresses women. I won't bother writing them, because I have no idea if any of them were true and some seemed pretty far out there. I'm guessing there was probably a bunch of misinformation thrown about during the primaries when the bible belt was trying to get people to vote for Santorum or Newt. None of these women will vote for Obama, they all despise him. About half said they were still going to vote Romney to make sure Obama is a one term guy. The other half seemed on the fence between voting Romney and staying home. Of course, I did my best to pick up a couple more Gary Johnson votes. the baptist church and most "sects" of christianity rank men above women pretty consistently, interesting that they would make this a deciding factor. as far as the "how can a woman vote romney" thing, i don't really get it either. i don't know, i've always been able to get BC when i wanted it, never wanted nor will have an abortion, but even if i did, i just don't believe that should be my primary criteria for choosing the freaking president. i'm only 30 so i'm fortunate to have not lived through any REAL oppression of women, my opinion might be completely different if it were still legal to discriminate hiring practices based on gender, or if i had only just acheived my right to vote, or hell, wear pants to work (my stepmother fondly reminisces about the day the skirts/dresses only rule was lifted early in HER professional career.) i just personally find other issues far more relevant to the president's job, responsibilities, and accountability. Great post.
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| 2012-11-02 6:20 PM in reply to: #4479280 |
Master 1404 Eagle Mountain, Utah | Subject: RE: FINAL CoJ 2012 Presidential Election Poll tuwood - 2012-11-01 2:33 PM powerman - 2012-11-01 3:25 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-11-01 2:20 PM Hmm, I'm actually undecided. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for President Obama because he'll protect womens' rights...or if it's because he is much less likely to involve our military in unnecessary wars...or because he won't raise taxes on the bottom 98% of earners. Hmmm, tough choice.
hummm... more troops in Afghanistan today than when he took office... hummm... already raised taxes more on the bottom 98% more than any other President in History Not what Romney said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkciMX8Xk-w |
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