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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-03-21 1:39 PM Maybe we should start with a smaller question. What would this massive population dislocation do to the economy? Would we (and the rest of the world) be hit with a Humongous Depression? Would there really be a massive population dislocation with only a 2' rise? During hurricaines, 2 feet of storm surge has practically no effect. It seems like the only people really affected would be those folks with east coast beach front property. ANd inthe grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of people. |
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Runner | ![]() run4yrlif - 2007-03-21 1:41 PM Scout7 - 2007-03-21 1:34 PM run4yrlif - 2007-03-21 1:30 PM Scout7 - 2007-03-21 1:25 PM Nothing. Not a darn thing. I'll be 81 at that point, and would have lovely beachfront property. You're 350 feet above sea level... How do you know that a 2' rise in sea level isn't going to swallow up more land than expected, hmmmmm? Either way, still not doing a damn thing. Your average nor'easter produces a storm surge >24". I'd say if you've so far been sea-water free, you'd be OK with a 2 foot rise. Well, then, honestly, what's the big deal if the water rises 2'? |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Although my house is about 12 feet above sea-level, the water table is just 12 inches below surface level. Don't assume that water or land erosion is going to occur only at the surface level. Florida's agriculture economy would likely be trashed (see Bangladesh's dying trees). We have Big Sugar in the southern part of the state - would we see sugar shortage? Strawberry industry would likely be trashed. I wonder how the acquifier would be affected... Edited by Renee 2007-03-21 12:57 PM |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-03-21 1:53 PM Although my house is about 12 feet above sea-level, the water table is just 12 inches below surface level. Don't assume that water or land erosion is going to occur only at the surface level. Does sea level rise equate to water table rise? I have no idea. Where's a hydrologist when you need one? Speaking of which...where the heck is kimj81? I haven't seen her here in ages. |
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![]() run4yrlif - 2007-03-21 10:47 AM Renee - 2007-03-21 1:39 PM Maybe we should start with a smaller question. What would this massive population dislocation do to the economy? Would we (and the rest of the world) be hit with a Humongous Depression? Would there really be a massive population dislocation with only a 2' rise? During hurricaines, 2 feet of storm surge has practically no effect. It seems like the only people really affected would be those folks with east coast beach front property. ANd inthe grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of people. The island nations of Tuvalu and the Maldives would be almost completely submerged. So, rich folks in the Hamptons and two countries. |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So Survivor would have to scout different locations? <damn...I forget that there's a whole world outside of the US sometimes> (thewurld.jpg) Attachments ---------------- thewurld.jpg (66KB - 1 downloads) |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2007-03-21 1:56 PM Renee - 2007-03-21 1:53 PM Although my house is about 12 feet above sea-level, the water table is just 12 inches below surface level. Don't assume that water or land erosion is going to occur only at the surface level. Does sea level rise equate to water table rise? I have no idea. Where's a hydrologist when you need one? Speaking of which...where the heck is kimj81? I haven't seen her here in ages. Is it a stretch to assume that salt water will contaminate the water table? There go my orange and grapefruit tree - and everything else in my yard except for the sea grape (maybe). |
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Runner | ![]() Besides, gradual change over 50 years gives all the animals a chance to move elsewhere, along with the people. Also, I'm willing to bet that given 50 years, we could find new places or methods for growing sugar and strawberries. |
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Giver![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spokes - 2007-03-21 2:06 PM Scout7 - 2007-03-21 1:04 PM Besides, gradual change over 50 years gives all the animals a chance to move elsewhere, along with the people. Also, I'm willing to bet that given 50 years, we could find new places or methods for growing sugar and strawberries. Or, even better... a working FTL stardrive so we aren't stuck on this ball of mud anymore. Don't think it can't happen in that short of a period of time... I think it will given the application of minds and computing power put together with quantum computers... Does all3sports deliver to the alpha centuri system? |
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Runner | ![]() run4yrlif - 2007-03-21 2:08 PM spokes - 2007-03-21 2:06 PM Scout7 - 2007-03-21 1:04 PM Besides, gradual change over 50 years gives all the animals a chance to move elsewhere, along with the people. Also, I'm willing to bet that given 50 years, we could find new places or methods for growing sugar and strawberries. Or, even better... a working FTL stardrive so we aren't stuck on this ball of mud anymore. Don't think it can't happen in that short of a period of time... I think it will given the application of minds and computing power put together with quantum computers... Does all3sports deliver to the alpha centuri system? I wonder what the roads will be like there.....Better pack the trail shoes, just in case. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I googled "What would sea level rise do to Florida?" and found this EPA site: http://epa.gov/climatechange/effects/coastal/index.html Excerpt:
For the purposes of this game, lets assume that all the assumptions on this site are valid. I'm not interested in debating whether global warming is real or not; this is about fantasy contingency planning and logistics. What would you do to best position yourself and your family? How clever and forward thinking are you? Oh - and here's what they say about the water supply:
Edited by Renee 2007-03-21 1:16 PM |
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Runner | ![]() Well, not move to Florida is topping my list right about now..... |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() "But hey, cockroaches would be able to get intelligent then. " Nah. cockroaches don't need to be intelligent. They are already highly evolved for survival, and have been for a long long time. Intelligence is just a recent evolutionary experiment, and it still remains to be seen if it is as successful as the cockroaches' adaption. Spokes, you fell into the trap of thinking that intelligence is a "higher"form of evolutionary development, and that humans are the apex of evolution. Evolution values only survival, it is not goal-oriented to produce intelligence or spirituality or any of that. General answer: I live halfway up a mountain, so I won't actually flood. I'm also well inland. The county I live in is about 90 % forest. I'm already armed. And in 50 years I'll be 105 years old. Ok, I get that the oceans backing up into the rivers may also contaminate lakes,(although I would think there would be more than two feet of drop between most lakes and the ocean and between the headwaters of almost any river and the ocean) but rain will still fall, right? Just as much rain as ever, maybe more, right? So why will there be a fresh water shortage? Don't you think that some lakes will not be contaminated, and that we can build barriers to prevent the contamination, allowing one-way flow, and also find ways to trap and contain rainwater? I think this would probably be more cost-effective than massive desalinization. I have seen several houses with their raingutters piped into a cistern for fresh water. It works in an area with rain. I like Spokes' ideas on space exploration, unrelated to this scenario. Whey I was but a lad, I thought by now we would be WAY further along on this. We skidded to a halt after reaching the moon. What a shame. By now, we were supposed to have undersea colonies, too. Which may be a good idea given Renee's scenario. I like to train a few dolphins and become a fish-rancher. Get along, little tuna! yeeha! Edited by HankJKy 2007-03-21 1:27 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Want to read something REALLY sobering? Read The Road by Cormac McCarthy, about life in post-apocalyptic America. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Scout7 - 2007-03-21 2:04 PM Also, I'm willing to bet that given 50 years, we could find new places or methods for growing sugar and strawberries. Here's something to consider: Sugar cane is harvested after burning the crops. Perhaps a militant Global Warming Warriors cult/group/PAC might arise and try to outlaw the burning of sugar crops? And to restrict the use of precious water to irrigate the thousands and thousands of sugar cane acres? (I read too much Asimov as a kid.) Edited by Renee 2007-03-21 1:27 PM |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's impossible to have read too much Asimov. I even read his nonfiction books. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spokes - 2007-03-21 1:28 PM HankJKy - 2007-03-21 1:22 PM "But hey, cockroaches would be able to get intelligent then. " Nah. cockroaches don't need to be intelligent. They are already highly evolved for survival, and have been for a long long time. Intelligence is just a recent evolutionary experiment, and it still remains to be seen if it is as successful as the cockroaches' adaption. Spokes, you fell into the trap of thinking that intelligence is a "higher"form of evolutionary development, and that humans are the apex of evolution. Evolution values only survival, it is not goal-oriented to produce intelligence or spirituality or any of that. General answer: I live halfway up a mountain, so I won't actually flood. I'm also well inland. The county I live in is about 90 % forest. I'm already armed. And in 50 years I'll be 105 years old. Ok, I get that the oceans backing up into the rivers may also contaminate lakes,(although I would think there would be more than two feet of drop between most lakes and the ocean and between the headwaters of almost any river and the ocean) but rain will still fall, right? Just as much rain as ever, maybe more, right? So why will there be a fresh water shortage? Don't you think that some lakes will not be contaminated, and that we can build barriers to prevent the contamination, allowing one-way flow, and also find ways to trap and contain rainwater? I think this would probably be more cost-effective than massive desalinization. I have seen several houses with their raingutters piped into a cistern for fresh water. It works in an area with rain. I like Spokes' ideas on space exploration, unrelated to this scenario. Whey I was but a lad, I thought by now we would be WAY further along on this. We skidded to a halt after reaching the moon. What a shame. By now, we were supposed to have undersea colonies, too. Which may be a good idea given Renee's scenario. I like to train a few dolphins and become a fish-rancher. Get along, little tuna! yeeha! Hank: really good points in your first paragraph. You didn't write the script for the Starship Troopers movie, did you? Because one character said that about The Bugs. Nope, didn't write it, didn't see it. It's not a very creative observation, just basic evolution. On my home planet, everyone is aware of this. Except maybe those who are so highly evolved they don't need to be aware. Edited by HankJKy 2007-03-21 1:33 PM |
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Runner | ![]() Renee - 2007-03-21 2:26 PM Scout7 - 2007-03-21 2:04 PM Also, I'm willing to bet that given 50 years, we could find new places or methods for growing sugar and strawberries. Here's something to consider: Sugar cane is harvested after burning the crops. Perhaps a militant Global Warming Warriors cult/group/PAC might arise and try to outlaw the burning of sugar crops? And to restrict the use of precious water to irrigate the thousands and thousands of sugar cane acres? (I read too much Asimov as a kid.) Guess I'll switch to Sweet 'n Low for my coffee..... While we're at it, can we build a big wall around New York City, and use it as a prison? Call me Snake. (Sorry, Renee, I'm not making fun of you, but it reminds me of "Escape From New York" |
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