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 2016-03-06 6:55 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Elite  4547   |  Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room...Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. |
| 2016-03-06 7:29 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 9391   Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Just sayin. |
| 2016-03-06 7:31 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Just sayin. You lost me. What are you 'just sayin'.
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| 2016-03-06 7:39 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Just sayin. You lost me. What are you 'just sayin'.
You spew your hatred for Trump, and then demean him for speaking hatefully. I know you don't see it as hate because it's what you believe, but it's still hate. |
| 2016-03-06 7:43 PM in reply to: ChineseDemocracy |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
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| 2016-03-06 7:47 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Just sayin. You lost me. What are you 'just sayin'.
You spew your hatred for Trump, and then demean him for speaking hatefully. I know you don't see it as hate because it's what you believe, but it's still hate. Don't confuse my re-telling of his documented statements and actions as 'my hate'. I don't think enough of the guy to 'hate' him. I'm just waiting to see how far this clown takes people into the open water, before they start to say, "Oh, sheet-I can't see the shore anymore!". |
| 2016-03-06 9:23 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though. |
| 2016-03-06 9:29 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though.
wait...so you think the guy who says racist shite all the time isn't racist? I'm confused |
| 2016-03-06 10:11 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though.
wait...so you think the guy who says racist shite all the time isn't racist? I'm confused What, specifically, has he said that you consider racist? I'm really not sure I have heard him say anything that I could call blatant racism. I KNOW that some of his supporters spout racist crap, so there is that.....but what has Trump said that can be attributed to being racist? I'm not trying to be obtuse here......I don't think the guy has said much, if anything, that can be called racist......but I agree that some of what he spouts plays well to those who hold racist views. It's almost seems like a game to him. |
| 2016-03-06 10:35 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though.
wait...so you think the guy who says racist shite all the time isn't racist? I'm confused What, specifically, has he said that you consider racist? I'm really not sure I have heard him say anything that I could call blatant racism. I KNOW that some of his supporters spout racist crap, so there is that.....but what has Trump said that can be attributed to being racist? I'm not trying to be obtuse here......I don't think the guy has said much, if anything, that can be called racist......but I agree that some of what he spouts plays well to those who hold racist views. It's almost seems like a game to him. the stuff about banning muslims, the stuff about how mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers just off the top of my head |
| 2016-03-06 11:42 PM in reply to: 0 |
Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... just because he invites it, doesn't mean he likes it (jk - I think he is a racist, too). I am scratching my head ar the original intent of this thread. the elephant in the room implies something nobody acknowledges, but many people in my world are pointing at it. Edited by bootygirl 2016-03-06 11:48 PM |
| 2016-03-07 8:09 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though. I got news for you-- you might wanna work on that a little harder. #infowars  Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2016-03-07 8:10 AM |
| 2016-03-07 8:23 AM in reply to: bootygirl |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... dmiller - OK, I've heard those things and I think his presentation is horrible. I usually wonder if his brain is even connected to his mouth when he says things like that. But, let's not pretend that immigration and radicalized Muslims are not issues for our country, because obviously they are. I have also heard Trump say good things about Mexicans, Muslims, etc. I think he speaks like an idiot on the topics, but it obviously plays well. bootygirl - I think it's rarely talked about in most circles that support Trump. I also think people are tired of being called racists, and being blamed for whatever problems any group of people have. It's OK to talk about "white privilege", but it's not ok to talk about black crime, radical muslims, illegal immigrants, and on and on. Political correctness has been overplayed......and I think this is the backlash....and idiot who can garner a large percentage of voters, many of which actually do have racist tendencies.
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| 2016-03-07 8:46 AM in reply to: jeffnboise |
| New user 900 , | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) Dude- you've never spent any time in the South apparently.....those boys have been flying that flag forever. LOL The same way you'll never be anything but a yankee to them. Yep! We won that war. That's why we don't keep nukes south of the Mason-Dixon line. The South may rise again; clutching their bibles, rebel flags and rope nooses, but they'll fall again, too. (I wasn't born in Idaho. I'm a Midwesterner at heart. I'm an SIU Saluki) So exactly what are you saying about folks like me who carry and read the bible? Seriously. |
| 2016-03-07 8:47 AM in reply to: NXS |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by NXS Originally posted by jeffnboise So exactly what are you saying about folks like me who carry and read the bible? Seriously. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) Dude- you've never spent any time in the South apparently.....those boys have been flying that flag forever. LOL The same way you'll never be anything but a yankee to them. Yep! We won that war. That's why we don't keep nukes south of the Mason-Dixon line. The South may rise again; clutching their bibles, rebel flags and rope nooses, but they'll fall again, too. (I wasn't born in Idaho. I'm a Midwesterner at heart. I'm an SIU Saluki) stop trying to run our country with your book :P |
| 2016-03-07 9:03 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Well, this thread has certainly gotten 'livelier' since I last visited. |
| 2016-03-07 9:45 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though.
wait...so you think the guy who says racist shite all the time isn't racist? I'm confused What, specifically, has he said that you consider racist? I'm really not sure I have heard him say anything that I could call blatant racism. I KNOW that some of his supporters spout racist crap, so there is that.....but what has Trump said that can be attributed to being racist? I'm not trying to be obtuse here......I don't think the guy has said much, if anything, that can be called racist......but I agree that some of what he spouts plays well to those who hold racist views. It's almost seems like a game to him. the stuff about banning muslims, the stuff about how mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers just off the top of my head Islam is a religion, not a race. Their are white, black, hispanic, arabic, asian muslims. Trumps comments about banning Muslims were silly and I don't agree with them, but to suggest they're racists is quite a stretch. |
| 2016-03-07 9:47 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood I got news for you-- you might wanna work on that a little harder. #infowars Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) If you're gonna associate with racists, pander for the continued support of racists, refuse to denounce the behavior of racists at events bearing your name....you're right. He is, in fact, a despicable, coward.
You sure do believe everything you read on the Liberal blogs. It's ok, i used to be the same way with conservative blogs and you can get over it if you work on it hard enough. It takes time though. Like I said, it's a long process. lol |
| 2016-03-07 9:51 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by NXS Originally posted by jeffnboise So exactly what are you saying about folks like me who carry and read the bible? Seriously. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) Dude- you've never spent any time in the South apparently.....those boys have been flying that flag forever. LOL The same way you'll never be anything but a yankee to them. Yep! We won that war. That's why we don't keep nukes south of the Mason-Dixon line. The South may rise again; clutching their bibles, rebel flags and rope nooses, but they'll fall again, too. (I wasn't born in Idaho. I'm a Midwesterner at heart. I'm an SIU Saluki) stop trying to run our country with your book :P So you support removing all Biblical law from our society? Then we have to allow Murder. On a serious note, I love the study of morality (both spiritual and societal). It's a fascinating topic that has a lot of interesting points on both sides. |
| 2016-03-07 9:52 AM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by mdg2003 Well, this thread has certainly gotten 'livelier' since I last visited. I blame Obama |
| 2016-03-07 10:06 AM in reply to: ChineseDemocracy |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jeffnboise Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by NXS I was referring to liberal reporters in general. you made it sound as if it was the first time a reporter (liberal) received hate mail/threat and it was because of Trump. I was pointing out that a few state/regional conservative reporters I know always seem to get hate mail/threats, esp. during election cycles. Sorry for not understanding your post. Oh I see where you went. No, I wasn't referring to reporters.....they can all get hate mail as far as I'm concerned. I was talking about Trumps campaign in general, and many of his supporters in particular. There just seems to be this cloud of racism hanging around them. I understand some of it.......we (white people) are getting hammered pretty good regarding our "privilege" by protest groups, the media, etc. so there seems to be a backlash in much of Trump's support. It's not warranted, in my mind, and it's increasing the divide. by 'cloud', I'm assuming you mean Swastikas, Rebel Flags, KKK shirts, physical assaults on people of color....those types of 'clouds'? Maybe, but I try not just fall off the cliff when it comes to this stuff, because there are also Trump supporters who look at him as simply better for the economy, trade issues, etc. Throwing EVERYONE into the same pile is rarely a good idea in my mind. For what it's worth, I have ZERO problem with the rebel flag or letting the South have their civil war heroes, statues, etc. Millions died in that war.....it's worth remembering. Sorry. Racism and hate speech 'trump' a candidates questionable business experience. (no pun intended) This F#%Ktard is running to be the President of the UNITED States; The ruler of the FREE world. Pretty big elephant if you ask me. How is it some folks seem so willing to support a guy who spews such hate? You gotta stand for something in life. I won't stand with racism. (and, BTW, the "rebel" flag=civil war history is patently false. The Rebel flag only reappeared during the Race Riots of the 60's. It's meaning is obvious.) I think everyone here would rally around the phrase, "I won't stand with racism," but to have folks claim that's what Trump is about is quite misleading. Again, I'm a tried and true left o' center guy on most things, but to imply or say Trump is a racist, I just believe that's a false claim. In fact, I'd feel FAR more comfortable with Trump as POTUS than Cruz or Rubio. As scary as it is, I would still agree with this. I'm in the minority (ha ha, get it?) in that I don't think Trump is a racist, or at least, I don't think I know what I think he is. As with pretty much everything else in his campaign, he hasn't been 100% clear about anything. He sort of gave that half-a'd rejection of David Duke's endorsement of him, but then went on tv and said that he didn't know who David Duke was, which was clearly a lie. Shortly after the Syrian refugee crisis began, he said you "sort of have to" admit Syrian refugees, then turned around and said he wanted to ban all Muslims from the US when that became the politically expedient opinion for him to take. The problem for me isn't so much Trump himself, but in what he's inspiring in his followers. It would have been very easy for him to speak out against Duke in much clearer terms, to be much clearer about the distinction between Muslims and radical islamists, or to demand that his supporters be more respectful of protesters (or at least not advocate roughing them up), but he hasn't done any of that. He has continued to allow people to believe that he will "put minorities in their place" and "show them who's in control", to bring it back to LB's original post. That seems like an intentional strategy at this point. So, whether or not Trump himself is a bigot is, to me, somewhat less important than the fact that he's clearly choosing to let the public think he is for the purpose of winning the election. At the very least, if I was someone who supported him, I'd be becoming increasingly worried that we have no idea what his actual stance is on anything. That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue. |
| 2016-03-07 11:24 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... JMK said- " That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue." He clearly wants to build a big wall. Major issues? I don't see a clear plan from him either. Edited by mdg2003 2016-03-07 11:24 AM |
| 2016-03-07 11:27 AM in reply to: mdg2003 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by mdg2003 JMK said- " That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue." That is a good point. What is Hillary's plan? Only thing I've seen is "status quo". |
| 2016-03-07 12:08 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by tuwood He clearly wants to build a big wall. Major issues? I don't see a clear plan from him either. Originally posted by mdg2003 JMK said- " That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue." That is a good point. What is Hillary's plan? Only thing I've seen is "status quo". Lots of specifics here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ Hey, you asked! |
| 2016-03-07 12:20 PM in reply to: ejshowers |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room... Originally posted by ejshowers Originally posted by tuwood He clearly wants to build a big wall. Major issues? I don't see a clear plan from him either. Originally posted by mdg2003 JMK said- " That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue." That is a good point. What is Hillary's plan? Only thing I've seen is "status quo". I clicked that link and it installed a virus... just kidding. Thanks, for posting that. I did read through a few of the non "filler position" ones and they're still pretty vague. Hillary on the ACA:
In comparison, Trump on ACA (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions)
I'm not suggesting Trump's is super specific either, but looking at the few and comparing I'd wager that Trumps are quite a bit more specific than Hillary's. ;-) One aspect that I think we could both agree on is allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines. That's a huge "special interest" honey pot that they use to inhibit competition and keep premiums high for both of us. |
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