4 ex-Armstrong Teammates to Testify (Page 2)

And let's talk about that.... in the big picture... it's sort of tough to defend.

Ya, I know he killed seven people, but that was 14 years ago. Look at all the good he has done since... and people really like him.

The problem is the USADA has a set of rules. They never got him. Get used to it. When he was competing, they never caught him. Sure there was speculation, but no solid evidence or positive tests.

So now he "tested positive" with their new bio passport. OK, well that is something. I mean yes or no, it's a positive that he manipulated his blood. OK, you file a case, suspend him from cycling, do what you do. He doped in 2009-2010. He will forever be known as a proven doper. Congratulations.

But they are using new evidence, to say all the old accusations are true... may very well be, but the old accusations are past the stature of their limitations. Game over. Get used to it.

But apparently they do not have to. They can accuse, suspend, and strip old titles without a single positive test... but thousands of negative ones mean nothing, all on the word of liars.

Come on, really?

Yes.

I don't like it either.....but that's what will happen.  I saw the interview with Hincape tonight....he's hating life right now....he knows what's coming.  They all doped, they've all been caught.

Personally, I think it's stupid all the way around....but Lance is about to lose his titles.

The USADA is not about to let go of the chance to impeach that era of cycling....it's the only way they can survive as an organization.

And that's what is so funny... who are they going to give the titles to... known dopers.

You are confusing statutes of law with what the USADA can do....they are bound by no such statutes....which is another reason the Feds got out....because they certainly are bound to statutes, rules of evidence, impeachment of witnesses, etc.

Hey, we're not disagreeing on the comical aspect of this whole deal. 

No, the USADA has statutes of limitations. They are past those. I'm not talking about the law. I'm talking about USADA rules.

Please post that.....I can't find it.  C'mon....they aren't past anything they are charging him with.

Even those nitwits aren't THAT stupid. 

Uh yes, they are.

Here is a good read on the rules and what each are up against. Not impossible, but improbable to go before the limitations. 2004

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/legal-opinion-armstrongs-arguments-against-usada

Besides an alleged sweetheart 6 month doping ban that is passed out after every major cycling event and wont affect an major races?

Here is all you need to know about their "rules"

"Lastly, if the USADA is successful in proving that Armstrong was part of an ongoing doping conspiracy – one of the charges against him - the statute of limitations may not be applicable if it is proven that the conspiracy continued into the limitation period. In other words, if USADA will be able to show that Armstrong’s doping violations stemmed from an ongoing conspiracy that started in 1998 and continued to 2010, Article 17 of WADA doesn’t even come into play."

Lance has great lawyers.....which is good....but this is going to get ugly, and I don't think Lance can prevail.  My money still says he loses his titles.  Hincape, et al, knows what's coming.  Do you think it's an accident that America's best cyclists won't be going to the Olympics this year?  They know, Lance knows, we all know.  

I like Lance.

He's screwed.......the lid's off.

We knew over a year ago that people were being offered deals to testify against L.A.  for the DOJ .  I will have to find it but there was a Velonews article about it around this time last year that that pretty much spelled this out without naming names.

All of this really makes me wonder as I have said it before the criminal might not have found anything that they could use but uncovered all of this other stuff and they handed it over to USADA to let them deal with it.

In the meantime:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/antidoping-agency-has-a-bunch-of-old-tour-de-franc,27331/

I don’t think that they can actually strip him of the titles. WADA would have to sanction (which would likely happen if he were found guilty by the USADA) him and then I think that the tour promoters would be the ones that would strip the titles from him.

With the blood passports, I doubt that they are still active dopers. I am sure that there is a way around it but I am guessing that if they did testify they are getting popped every day.

I don't think they are "active dopers".  I believe the deal was for admitting to doping in the past.  I cannot see anyone getting away with it for long in today's climate.

Did Lance dope?  Probably, cycling is one of the dirtiest sports about doping.  Then again, everyone is doping so it's a level playing field. 

Who the fark is the US anti-doping agency?  Is this some group or a real federal government agency with authority.  Another example of your tax dollars at work.  

Lance is retired from cycling so this isn't really even a big deal anymore and the Justice Department determined there wasn't enough evidence that's good enough for me. 

witch hunt is all this is and same on his former team mates for snitching.  What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room (no homo)

You do understand that when this investigation was made public LA was an active professional triathlete?

I wondered the same thing… I just did a quick one over their catalog. I am wondering if they started to distance themselves from him? They are no longer offering any of the Livestrong paint schemes. With the merging of Leopard & Nissan teams he was given no role on the team not even a consultant. 

But this year they seem to be going strong. They have a rider in yellow now. I think 4 riders in top 25 at the tour plus a few IM wins.  I was out running in Cottage Grove this week and I saw the new 7 series Madone. Very $exy looking bike.

Not to be patronizing, but USADA is carrying out the mission of USADA.  Personally, I would like to see a rule that says if you don't test positive during a season, then you were legal that season.  In other words, the statute of limitation is one season (maybe some sort of exception for an admission by the athlete).  But those aren't the rules.  USADA is doing what UCI/WTC/etc. expects them to do - investigate alleged dopers within the framework of their mandate.  I am (or was) a huge LA fan.  I'm hard pressed to think he didn't dope at this point, but who knows?  I think laying the blame for all this at the feet of USADA is misplaced.