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2008-01-15 8:52 AM
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187 pounds and do 3 sets of 8, unfortunately my training partner (who has trained all his life!) likes to superset them with dips, I do 4 of those! I'm sure he's a sadist, he always grins as I scream!!!!!


2008-01-15 1:08 PM
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I can do ten good pull ups (palms out) and eleven if I cheat a little (on the tenth I don't go down all the way to see if I can get one more "cheat" in). I'm 5'11" and ~160 lbs. And I do have to work on this at the gym. Good luck all.
2008-01-15 1:59 PM
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I did a 1 set core WO yesterday as a warm-up before my run.  I went for it on the pull-ups and was able to get 12.  When I was at 10 I felt like I easily had a couple more in me, the 12th one was all grunt and popping veins on the last 6 inches!

I'm thinking I should start pyramiding the PU and get up my total reps to 25-30 in a WO.

2008-01-15 4:05 PM
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2008-01-16 9:41 AM
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I did supinated, close grip yesterday and can feel it in my back today. Good stuff!
2008-01-16 12:38 PM
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3 sets of 10 is the standard for me right now at 5'10" 160#. That's for wide-grip pulls and close-grip chins.  the pullups are a helluvalot harder, though!

~B



2008-01-16 5:49 PM
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I have no idea how many I can do now. I'm getting my lifting cage set up in the garage again (after not having it for some 2 years). I did dips for the first time in about as long on Sunday. Didn't get sore either... I stopped at 15.
2008-01-16 5:53 PM
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Ah heck,  Bride why did you bring up dips?  Now I might have to try some and see how bad I am.
2008-01-17 7:30 AM
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I like dips. I can't do alot of them but they are effective.
2008-01-17 12:07 PM
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2008-01-17 12:08 PM
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I normally perform both. The between bars one for chest & tris and then bench dips for tris.


2008-01-18 7:14 AM
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I'm 5'10", 175 and have been in the Army for 14 years (although, unlike Marines, most Soldiers can't do many pull-ups). I can do quite a few. I haven't tried to see how many I can do without kipping. But I can do around 30 kipping.

I'm a crossfitter and do different sets. Sometimes I do them for time as part of a 3 or 5 round circuit. For example, one routine we do has 21 reps first round, 15 in the second, and 9 in the third.

I haven't done any of the "max" pull-up sets, although I should.

I also sometimes do 4-5 sets, no kipping, with a weight belt that limits my reps to 1-5.

Combining the different types of pull-ups has really helped. My muscles continue to get shocked and I notice that kipping and deadhang pull-ups are easier.

Keep up the good work fellas!

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2008-01-18 7:56 AM
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What the heck is kipping? I've seen it a few times in regards to pull/chin-ups. I'm assuming it's body thrust to "cheat" your way up?
2008-01-21 3:20 PM
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This is an area where I don't normally carry a lot of muscle.  I'm also coming off shoulder surgery, so I started rebuilding with literally no strength.

I'm back up to 4 with a wide grip, palms outward.  There's an assisted pull-up machine at the gym that takes weight off you.  With 50 pounds help, I'll do sets of about 8 alternating with dips of wide grip outward, parallel grip, narrow inward grip.  This is up from 100 lbs help a couple of months ago.  So progress is being made.  But there are a lot of other things that I'm prioritizing right now....

2008-01-22 8:52 AM
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KenD - 2008-01-18 8:56 AM What the heck is kipping? I've seen it a few times in regards to pull/chin-ups. I'm assuming it's body thrust to "cheat" your way up?
You are correct!  It's CrossFit's standard pullup. 

I don't kip any of my pullups.  I feel awkward doing so.  Consequently, my numbers suffer a bit (for instance my max is 21 dead-hang overhand, wide grip where it should be about 50 if I kipped) and my times in my CF workouts are a little longer because kipping takes less time, but I feel stronger because I don't kip.  Does that make sense?

2008-01-23 10:13 PM
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first set of 12 body weight, second set 10 with 10 pound weight, third set 8 with 25 lbs, forth set 6 with 35 lbs.

or 6 sets of 8 with body weight

wide grip palms away

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2008-01-24 12:18 AM
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I do my dips on gymnastics rings, if you have access to them it's by far the best way.

As for kipping, it is sort of a "cheater" way of doing pull-ups. The only thing is it's actually a better way to do pull-ups in many ways. You swing your body a bit and use your momentum to help you up. At first glance that does sound like you are cheating yourself but here is why it's done:

Work=mass x distance. You do the same amount of work doing a deadhang pull-up as a kipping pull-up. All the work is still generated by your body, just because you use momentum it doesn't mean you are magically getting help from some unknown force. It feels easier because you are spreading the work around to more of your body and not isolating your arms and upper back. By spreading the work around it involves more muscle mass which in turn leads to greater overall strength gain. It also allows you to do more pull-ups thus more work. On top of that, power = work/time. Since you can complete a kipping pull-up faster than a regular pull-up you actually get greater power output for a single kipping pull-up vs a single deadhang pull-up.

So basically kipping pull-ups give you greater work output, greater power output, greater total body strength gain, and a more complete workout. It also strengthens your grip more. Plus, in a real world situation where you need to get up or over something you will do whatever it takes to do it, knowing how to kip is a valuable skill to have.

Downsides are: it tears your hands up. Eventually they become so easy that you really should be loading them on occasion if you want strength gains. Most PT tests for military/police/fire require deadhang and if that's what you are training for you need to practice that. And finally it is looked down on by many people.

I do deadhang pull-ups for my CF warm-up, but for the actual workout I kip like crazy to maximize power output.
2008-01-31 3:24 PM
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Kipping is a swinging like motion that thrust your body up using momentum. The Marine Corps stop allowing this over 10 years ago. Currently I can perform approx 6-7 pull ups. Before my shoulder surgery I could perform 12-14 depending on how I was feeling at that time. The best way to train for them is to just keep doing them.
2008-01-31 6:05 PM
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28 ....former college football player, and i only weigh 148 pounds!
2008-01-31 6:20 PM
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I go to a core workout program 1x a week and the hard-nosed instructor makes us do 50 before we go home.  Yes, 50. I usually can do 1 set of 15, then 1 set of 10, then the rest of the sets in 2 or 3 reps each. I'm usually screaming at him around 30 or so. Im 170 and 5'9.

2008-02-04 8:41 PM
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Pull Up = palms facing away - I can do 3 or 4 when not warmed up and maybe 6 if really warmed up. Plus the more you do, even if you just make a point to do them throughout the day, the easier they get. When I started I could do 2, If you do the mevery AM and every PM you will double or triple the # you can do on a monthly basis.

Chin Up = palms facing yor face (like doing curls). I can do 4-6 when cold and no more than 8 evenwhen really heated up.

* And I don't consider myself a puss. I was an amateur boxer and Purple Belt in BJJ. I have benched 315 lbs before - 4 years ago - and now i'm 195 lbs and still 6' tall. I really think pull ups and chin ups are done best by people who do them a lot. Practice makes perfect. Also shorter people/shorter arms have much easier time. I've found that the more weight I lose the better shape I get into but the weaker I get. The only thing I can do now, strength wise, than before is dips. I can do 2 sets of 12 dips now but when I was 240 I could only do 2 or 3 before my right elbow started throbbing.

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2008-02-07 2:43 PM
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Since I post that little thing about not kipping my pullups, I've reconsidered.  I watched the vids and learned it.  NOW I LOVE IT!!!  Still have to get better at it, but damn what a difference!
2008-02-11 8:25 PM
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When I was climbing all the time a couple of years ago I could do 11-12. Now maybe 6.
2008-02-12 6:15 AM
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Well i just started getting back in to shape this past couple weeks and im 6'1 206pounds. Right now i can dow up to 12 pull ups narrow grip and around 2 sets. Im just starting again so ill chekck back in a couple of weeks.
2008-02-12 6:26 PM
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Man...you know pull-ups are tough...especially for us big guys. I'm 6' 2" and about 210 right now. While in college I was huge into rock climbing and aven at my high weight and body mass...I could do about 18 or so if I was just doing one set trying to get as many as I could. I think I could do probably about 12-15 now. we used to do them using just our fingertips on narrow surfaces like door frames and such. That was tough...hahaha.

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