A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama (Page 2)

We are misguided and divided, pick a side and you are on the right one.

Just ask yourself, why would someone as wealthy as most politicians want to put up with a job such as a representative? 

POWER, and how to you hold that power.......have us fight against other...hence my first 5 words.

THE CONSTITUTION IS A POWERFUL DOCUMENT, when adhered to.

Yeah that was my thought as well.

Included in that as well:

1) Fast and Furious 2 american fedral agents killed plus over 300 Mexican citizens.

2) Amnesty for illegal aliens that have not committed a crime, Hello they are ILLEGAL aliens, their being in this country is a crime.

3) A health care "reform" that is driving doctors out of the  business, is guaranteed t  increase cost even though it was promised to add more people to the rolls and cut costs. And is opposed by more and more people every day.

4) Gas prices, until last week, were double what they were the day he took office.

5) He promised if we passed TARP that unemp[loyment would never go above 8%. It has yet to go below 8%. Unemployment among African Americans is at record highs.

The only good things I can give him credit for getting Osama and the Alabama Maresk.

I am glad he has been playing golf so much, imagine how much worse we would be if he was actually doing this job full time.

OK, that made me laugh.  

If you're going to lay all the bad at his feet how about all the good too?

1. The stock market is almost double what it was when he took office.

2. 20 consecutive months of positive job growth.

3. 11 Quarters of GDP growth.

Now I'm opposed to having a 2 party system so I don't like Obama being in office any more than I want Romney in office. Both will sell us out to the highest campaign contributor. But to pick and choose the things you want to see is wrong.

..don't think you can really blame him for that one.

My assessment is that overall he's done an ok job with a terrible situation.  Not great, but not awful.  Some of the things people criticize him for I think he didn't have much control over and would've been pretty much the same no matter who was in office at the time (TARP, pres has almost no influence over gas prices, a big part of the $5t increase in the debt was due to a) decrease in tax revenues and b) automatic increases in social spending such as unemployment  due to the recession.  Stimulus was poorly crafted but that's as much on congress as him). I don't think going after health care first was a mistake.  I used to think that, but now I figure he knew as much as anyone how terrible and dangerous the recessions was.  Figure the fact that the economy was going to be bad for a long time and the fact that the pres's party usually loses seats in a midterm and I can imagine how they figured they had two years to work on the ambitious stuff.  And taking the long view, healthcare costs in the future are the real danger to the country, not $5t in debt.  Now if they'd come up with a bill that actually dealt with controlling healthcare costs that would have been ideal,  but the longer we wait to deal with it the worse the 'fix' is going to be so at least it got the ball rolling and hopefully will lead to improvements in the future.

The Fast & Furious thing I agree was bad, but at this point seems more like a congressional witch hunt to me than a true effort to find the truth.  The two biggest mistakes he's made in my eyes (and these are HUGE) are 1) blowing off the Simpson-Bowles plan.  If he'd gotten behind this early on and showed some actual leadership I think we'd be in a much better place than we are right now and be in a much better position for the future.  And 2) his policy of extra-legal assassinations.

Overall I think he's a pragmatist (much like Romney) and is more interested in getting results than fighting ideological battles and that's a big reason (along with impossibly high expectations to start out with) why he's seen as a disappointment by the raving liberals and a weak leader by his opponents.  

George Bush is not the one that stopped the issueing of Drilling permits on federal land.

edited for spelling

Oil production under Obama is actually the higest it's been since 2003

You do know we exported more gas and diesel than we imported last year during the super high gas prices?  And the forecast continues for us to be a net oil exporter in the future? Drilling for more oil just means more oil to export.

"The U.S. will ship abroad 350,000 barrels a day more petroleum products that it imports in 2012 and 320,000 barrels daily in 2013, according to the department’s Short-Term Energy Outlook report released on Feb. 7.

Gasoline demand in the U.S. sank 2.9 percent to 8.736 million barrels a day last year as pump prices averaged $3.521 a gallon, the highest in records dating back to 1919.

Total U.S. oil product demand fell 9.5 percent to 18.8 million barrels a day last year from 20.8 million in 2005, department data show.

“The reason we can export so much is demand in the U.S. is weak,” Cohan said. Since 2005, the U.S. has lost nearly 2 million barrels a day of total product consumption, he said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

And oil compainies are still the most profitable in the world

Well lets keep somethings in mind. 2 federal agents were killed with guns that our government illegal shipped into Mexico with out the knowledge or permission of the Mexican Goverment. In addition over 300 Mexican Nationals were killed.

No one died in Watergate.

The similar operation done under Bush was done with the knowledge and consent of the Mexican Goverment, and No one died.

This was done with the full consent and knowledge of AG Holder. Further now that Obama has asserted Executive privledge he is implicating himself.

This is not a witch hunt. This a massive cover up. 

Because prices are so D@MN high.

I cut out quite a bit of driving because of the high prices. we sued to go up north to visit friends and family 3-4 times per year. I have now been up twice in 3 years, due to the high prices.

Again, I think you're being disingenuous. The months before Obama took office the US was hemorrhaging jobs at a rate of 800k/month. To think ANYONE could have stepped in and immediately reversed that is absolute lunacy. 2.5 million jobs were lost in just his first 3 months. If you (hypothetical you) think Obama is responsible for that, it is obvious the political blinders are on. No one in the real world would ever expect someone to step into a job that is massively in the red and fix it immediately. For example, there was a branch of my company that was losing 100k/month and so they brought in a new manager. He managed to turn the branch around so they weren't losing money by the end of his first year. No one in our corporate structure blamed him for those losses accrued during that year. It would be ridiculous to blame Obama for those job losses as well.

Why are prices high? Has nothing to do with the president as they were also high during the Bush/Cheney Admin and both ran on being experienced 'oil men'.   

It has to do with oil companies continuing to make record profits.  If price goes down, demand would go up.  Simple economics.  You said it yourself, you dont drive as much b/c of the price so you would if the price was less.  But it is more profitable for the oil to keep prices high and sell the surplus than drop the price so you will drive more.  

Drilling more (as you argued) will not drop the price as we already have more than we demand.  Romney getting elected will not change the gas price and Obama getting re-elected will not change the price either as the US oil is not a national company and the President does not set the price.  Free market does.  

Obama has nothing to do with that.  Price of oil is set on the world market.  It's a global commodity.

Basic economics, unless you're a conspiracy theorist, the price of oil going up is a good thing.  It means there is greater demand for it (or supply is diminishing, but we all know that is not the case here).  That demand is only created by increased economic activity.  It also means that the supply is slightly lower than the demand.  Higher prices incentivize other sources of fuel.  With the proliferation of those other sources, prices will even out as it has expanded the base supply to match demand.  Do yourself a favor and go buy stock in one of the oil companies or better yet oil field equipment companies now while their stock is low (relatively speaking) and that way when these dang oil companies turn in their record profits, you can benefit from it instead of feeling "squeezed at the pump".  If you don't like gas prices, buy a more fuel efficient car.

But your pull back on visitations pales in comparison to the fuel that a bulk ocean vessel uses transporting material from China to New York or the fuel a truck burns transporting pallets from LA to San Diego, or the fuel a jet burns flying from Atlanta to St Petersburg, or the fuel that Kim Chin who lived on a farm 5 years ago with no car, is using now that he lives in Shang hai and drives to work everyday.  And for every one of us that is cutting back on fuel there are 3 Chinese who just bought a car and are driving every day now.  America isn't as important as you'd think anymore when it comes to prices on products that are used by the entire world.  Last I checked we don't live in Venezuela where the refineries are owned by the government and Chavez makes decisions on how much gas costs to the citizen.  Blaming Obama is a leap to say the least.

I am curious to here your or anyone else solution to the problem(s) our government faces today.  Please be a bit more detailed than typical catch phrases like "cut spending" or more "Tax incentives" 

A school bus sized asteroid with an impact zone in DC.

LOL .. certainly starting fresh is a good way to start. Then again, it didn't take very long in our history for this mess to start. 

Aces- I think Bill Maher summed up what you're feelings are pretty well a few weeks ago.

" New Rule: Ted Nugent has to tell me what Obama has done that he's so mad about so I have something to be happy about.  

Now, I refer to the famous proclamation Mr. Nugent made last month, when he said that if Obama is re-elected, it would be such an unthinkable catastrophe that he, Ted, would "either be dead or in jail." Or, as I call it, a "win-win."  

Now, Ted went on to say that Obama leads a - quote - "vile, evil, America-hating administration wiping its with the Constitution." As opposed to Ted, who uses his hand.  

Now, it somehow became an article of faith on the right that Obama is the most extreme president in American history. Although, when they say that, I think what they really mean is...he's black.   

But, let me give you some examples. Newt Gingrich called Obama "the most radical leftist president in history." Senator Marco Rubio called him "the most divisive figure in American history."

Michele Bachmann said Obama is "the most radical president we have ever seen in the history of the country." And when has Michele Bachmann ever been known to misjudge a man? [slide of Marcus Bachmann]   

John Bolton said, "Obama just doesn't care about national security." Honestly, there are Mexican drug mules who don't pull this much stuff out of their .   

And, my question is, how can the same guy, Barack Obama, make these people feel that America has changed so completely, and yet make me feel like it's barely changed at all? I travel all over this country doing stand-up, and since Obama has been president, what?! It's still the exact same "Kentucky-fried country" it has always been!   

I see it! People driving their cars to the mall, buying stupid , stuffing their faces, taking pictures. The only difference is, we bump into each other more, because now we're all texting!   

We haven't lost our freedoms. I'm pretty sure the only things Obama has killed are Bin Laden and Donald Trump's last shred of dignity.

If Obama were as radical as they claim, here's what he would have already done: pulled the troops out of Afghanistan, given us Medicare for all, ended the drug war, cut the defense budget in half, and turned Dick Cheney over to The Hague.

Here's what Obama actually did. He cut taxes and spending. Look at this graph. [bar graph shown] These bars show the growth in federal spending for each president. Obama is at the bottom. Yes, the black man's is the shortest.   

He didn't go on a spending spree. He didn't break up the "too big to fail" banks. They've only gotten bigger and "fail-ier."  

That's not what liberals wanted. That's what conservatives wanted.

At the 2008 convention, Sarah Palin chanted, "Drill, Baby, Drill." Under Obama, there's more drilling than ever. That's not what environmentalists wanted. That's what conservatives wanted.

Obama spent most of last year conceding the Republican premise that government needed cutting. That's not what progressives wanted. That's what the Tea Party wanted.

The Dow was at 7,949 when he took office. Now, it's 12,000-and-over. Corporate profits are at their highest ever. If he's a socialist, he's a lousy one.   

He could not be less threatening if he was walking home with Ice-T and Skittles.   

So, the question remains, how can you guys be so unhappy with Obama when I'm so unhappy with Obama?!  You think you got coal in your stocking? I wanted single-payer healthcare, a carbon emissions bill, gun control and legalized pot.

If you get to carry around all this outrage over me getting that , shouldn't I have gotten it?!  

So, just admit it. This isn't about what Obama is. It's about what you need him to be, because hating him is what gets you up in the morning.

And, Ted, you don't have to fear what happens if the Democrats are re-elected. Because they don't have any ideas anyway.  I can understand your paranoia that they have a secret plan, because they sure as don't have a public one.   

Can anyone tell me what the Democrats want to do? The best I can come up with is, "Elect Us. We're Lame, But the Other Guys Are Nuts."

I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 12:25 PM ...I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

1.  Hardly.  Bill Maher is funny.  Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist.

2.  Stopping reading?  Interesting choice.   close your mind off to a different point of view much?

With exception of the oil speculators who never take delivery of the barrels.  I feel they're creating false demand and falsely inflate the price of oil.  It's not as bad today, but several years ago it was down right criminal.

I agree with you about oil being a global commodity, but the presidents policies can effect the price of oil on the supply side.  If President X were to say he's disbanning the EPA and approving every oil drilling permit request and refinery building permit the "global supply" will increase and therefore the price will drop assuming demand stays the same.

Alternatively, if the president's policies are to deny permits and increase regulation on the oil industry in the US the global oil supply will be less therefore increasing the cost of oil assuming demand stays the same.

Also we pay about $.50 per gallon in taxes on gas in the US so politicians control that amount as well.

morey000 - 2012-06-22 3:16 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-22 12:25 PM ...I stopped reading right there... that's the left's equivalent of "I think Glenn Beck..."

1.  Hardly.  Bill Maher is funny.  Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist.

2.  Stopping reading?  Interesting choice.   close your mind off to a different point of view much?

I find Glenn Beck funny too.