Elizabeth Warren's speech: a condemnation against Obama (Page 2)

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-09-07 4:27 PM I think that’s a weak example as well, but for the sake of argument, if a union decided that they wanted better benefits, even though their benefits were competitive and fair and they went on strike, would you blame that on the company CEO? Given your example with Obama-as-CEO, it would be the CEO’s fault if his company’s unionized workers went on strike, regardless of whether it was justified.

powerman - 2012-09-07 11:10 AM

Well in that case then we should not blame the Captain of the Concordia for running aground. He just approved the order, but it was not his hand on the wheel.

Obama gets the blame, because he is the one yacking the loudest on who to blame for the whole mess in the first place... Bush. It was Bush's spending that Obama ran against for two years. Bush's tax cuts that he railed against for two years, Bush's deregulation that he whined about for two years. Then he did it for two more once in office. The Leader of this great country laid the whole problem on the shoulders of the last POTUS... but now he gets a pass because that is not how it really works... WOW, talk about convenient.

So now that we are in this problem of a crashing economy because the last guy spent too much and brought in too little... then when Obama campaigns against pork barrel spending... then passes the stimulus give away, then passes a omnibus bill with $30 billion of pork... and he says he will do better next time but that really needed to pass... then that is not his fault. And when he passes tax cuts in the stimulus, and he approves the extension of the Bush tax cuts.... then he has no power and it is not his fault. Then when he goes on and on about how everything he will do will be budget neutral... and he pushes for new spending, and cuts nothing, and he signs his name to it... ya, he has no power, and he is completely free from fault.

I just hope that you are correcting Obama's campaign. I mean Obama saved the auto industry, but we know he has no power over that. And he claims he made housing affordable and kept people in their homes... but we know he has no power over that and the credit goes to the Congress. Hopefully you can get with his people so they can stop taking all the credit for all the stuff he has no power over.

Khyron - 2012-09-07 9:36 PM

Bush screwed you on foreign policy - ie Iraq. Look up how much a trillion dollars is. Reduce your military spending by 1% of GDP and you pay for all the medicare/obamacare stuff. He really was a bumbling idiot who probably should never have been in power. His dad was ok. 

Obama didn't save the auto industry. He lobbied Congress to approve the spending and they reluctantly agreed it was the lesser of two evils. POTUS has no money to give. He's at best a powerful lobbyist, who can trash really bad legislation on occasion. Time will tell if it would have been wiser to let GM and a few financial establishments fail completely. But no one likes short-term pain.

FYI I've voted conservative on pretty much every election. I want my pipe-line! You just have had a lousy crop of conservatives lately. McCain would have been good but Palin was super-duper scary.

 

GomesBolt - 2012-09-08 7:22 AM Let me say this about W:
Who knows what his presidency would have been since 9 months into it, he had the worst Terrorist Attack in history and he decided that nothing else mattered but preventing another attack.

Iraq WAS the biggest threat at the time (as evidenced by the 58% support from the Dem Congress and 39% of Senate Dems) and they DID have chemical weapons which if released in NYC could've killed a few hundred. I inventoried enough stuff to know this to be true.

He allowed a lot of spending, but if we'd had another significant attack, we'd have had serious economic problems just the same. Our free and open society would have been near impossible to keep running if there had been an attack in say December 2001. Not a complete absolution, but hindsight is 20/20.