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 2012-11-07 2:32 PM in reply to: #4487688 |
Expert  3126     Boise, ID |  Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party?
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. |
| 2012-11-07 2:35 PM in reply to: #4487815 |
Champion 11989  Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? lisac957 - 2012-11-07 10:51 AM I knew my vote would be "wasted" but voted for Johnson anyway. I'm not ready to become a "member" of the Libertarian party (I'm registered Independent) but they've certainly caught my eye this time around. I wonder what the numbers would be if everybody voted; if every eligible person registered, and every registered voter voted. |
| 2012-11-07 2:40 PM in reply to: #4488443 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. |
| 2012-11-07 2:43 PM in reply to: #4488462 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 1:40 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. I sure hope that changes... "the base" needs to get their noses out of social issues instead of fueling the bus that is taking us off the cliff. |
| 2012-11-07 2:44 PM in reply to: #4488443 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 2:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. He wants to end the wars, bring every single American soldier home, and shut down all of the overseas bases. That alone makes him unelectable in the primaries. Plus Fox News hates him. |
| 2012-11-07 2:49 PM in reply to: #4487688 |
Veteran 334 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? Ron Paul 2016! However he is getting rather old and I don't see any good like options waiting in the wings.Does anyone have a link to Johnson's numbers? The networks are obviously giving up nothing on that end. |
| 2012-11-07 3:03 PM in reply to: #4488498 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? mn_av8or - 2012-11-07 2:49 PM Ron Paul 2016! However he is getting rather old and I don't see any good like options waiting in the wings.Does anyone have a link to Johnson's numbers? The networks are obviously giving up nothing on that end. He is our last hope. No, there is another. Sen. Rand Paul. And yes, I'm an enormous Star Wars geek. |
| 2012-11-07 3:08 PM in reply to: #4488443 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 2:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. I think you answered your own question. The Conservative end of the party wants pro life, anti gay marriage, anti illegal-immigration, anti drug candidates. |
| 2012-11-07 3:14 PM in reply to: #4488498 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? mn_av8or - 2012-11-07 1:49 PM Ron Paul 2016! However he is getting rather old and I don't see any good like options waiting in the wings.Does anyone have a link to Johnson's numbers? The networks are obviously giving up nothing on that end.
It was something around 1.2% I think. Not very good. |
| 2012-11-07 3:17 PM in reply to: #4488498 |
Veteran 582 Golden, CO | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? mn_av8or - 2012-11-07 1:49 PM Ron Paul 2016! However he is getting rather old and I don't see any good like options waiting in the wings.Does anyone have a link to Johnson's numbers? The networks are obviously giving up nothing on that end. http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ scroll over each state for vote totals. Johnson got 3.5% in MN, and almost 3% in Montana
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| 2012-11-07 3:26 PM in reply to: #4488462 |
| New user 900 , | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 2:40 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. Romney was a moderate, so was McCain, and both were beaten by an ULTRA leftist. It seems to me that people vote for their own personal interest instead of what is best for the nation as a whole, which is why we are in the fiscal crapper with no hope of ANYONE in Washington doing what it will be necessary to fix it. |
| 2012-11-07 3:28 PM in reply to: #4488563 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? NXS - 2012-11-07 4:26 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 2:40 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. Romney was a moderate, so was McCain, and both were beaten by an ULTRA leftist. It seems to me that people vote for their own personal interest instead of what is best for the nation as a whole, which is why we are in the fiscal crapper with no hope of ANYONE in Washington doing what it will be necessary to fix it. Romney was a fiscal liberal and a social conservative from everything I can tell. He was just not quite as fiscally liberal as Obama. |
| 2012-11-07 3:29 PM in reply to: #4488563 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? NXS - 2012-11-07 4:26 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 2:40 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. Romney was a moderate, so was McCain, and both were beaten by an ULTRA leftist. It seems to me that people vote for their own personal interest instead of what is best for the nation as a whole, which is why we are in the fiscal crapper with no hope of ANYONE in Washington doing what it will be necessary to fix it. I should correct what I said before... "Sadly you have to appear to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination." After that you can go back to being moderate. I think it's no different on the left. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-11-07 3:29 PM |
| 2012-11-07 4:15 PM in reply to: #4488423 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? moneyman - 2012-11-07 2:23 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 1:10 PM Considering he only pulled 1% of the vote I'd say no. As someone earlier in this thread said a 3rd party candidate would need to be independently wealthy to get the media buys required to run for president. Yes, but the Liberaterians only got 0.3% in 2004 and 0.4% in 2008. Momentum? At that rate, they have a legitimate shot by around 2036. |
| 2012-11-07 4:18 PM in reply to: #4488563 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? NXS - 2012-11-07 2:26 PM TriRSquared - 2012-11-07 2:40 PM Aarondb4 - 2012-11-07 3:32 PM
I don't understand why Ron Paul didn't do better in the primaries. He is fiscally conservative, socially liberal (leave it up to the states) and he has the experience and he is the only guy who actually had a plan. But he went nowhere in the primaries. Perhaps everyone votes on emotion? It sure doesn't appear that anyone voted based on the economy, I guess it didn't get bad enough. Because he did not pander to the base. Sadly you have to be ULTRA right to win the republican nomination. Romney was a moderate, so was McCain, and both were beaten by an ULTRA leftist. It seems to me that people vote for their own personal interest instead of what is best for the nation as a whole, which is why we are in the fiscal crapper with no hope of ANYONE in Washington doing what it will be necessary to fix it. No Obama fan here... but ULTRA leftist he is not. |
| 2012-11-07 6:12 PM in reply to: #4487688 |
Extreme Veteran 393 The Center of My Universe | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? As best as could be done, the mission was accomplished...perhaps a small step, but a step none-the-less. I don't consider my vote wasted at all. It did not go to one of two candidates I was unhappy with. Edited by TriFlorida 2012-11-07 6:12 PM |
| 2012-11-08 10:47 AM in reply to: #4488879 |
| Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? Here is another reason to move away from one party to the Libertarian Party. |
| 2012-11-08 4:52 PM in reply to: #4487688 |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? First year voting Libertarian. I just feel sorry for my son for asking which one I was voting for... Libertarianism is a little above 1st grade social studies. |
| 2012-11-08 7:01 PM in reply to: #4489749 |
Extreme Veteran 393 The Center of My Universe | Subject: RE: Is today the birth of the Libertarian party? crusevegas - 2012-11-08 10:47 AM Here is another reason to move away from one party to the Libertarian Party.
wow.... |
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