3 dead in mall shooting in Oregon (Page 2)

Yes incorrectly

What sort of legislation, assuming it was in place, would have prevented these deaths?

Similar to the flu vaccine thread, correct information is helpful in forming opinions. 

the CDC data on deaths from firearms I put at the top does not distinguish between types.

From a MEDICAL point of view firearms are dangerous period.

I also would add a second part to the question of what would you do realistically in the current climate of the United States. Meaning that an all out ban would be highly unlikely and so far gun control laws haven't been that successful.

What does this mean?  Your stat suggests that the majority of homicides involve the use of a firearm.  How does that translate to a MEDICAL point of view determining firearms are dangerous period.  If the stat had been that the majority of homicides involve baseball bats, would a MEDICAL point of view find that baseball bats are dangerous period.

start with MUCH longer waiting times and more extensive background checks that are NATIONWIDE not just state.

Stricter licensing policies - maybe there should be mental health clearance. Certainly safety training must be more extensive

you are just baiting and I am not playing

the CDC stats on homicides do not differentiate between automatic/assault/semi auto weapons so comparing the facts from influenza vaccination and death by firearms is not an equivalence.

No, he didn't.  

We already have all of this in CA plus magazine capacity laws and restrictions on kinds of firearms. The criminal or mentally ill still find a way.

some of the issue is that laws vary state to state

Licenses should need to be renewed annually

there should be some national standards

clearly what we have now is not working

Australia did change things - they were able to institute a ban successfully perhaps we should look at what they did

You made the statement and it makes no sense based on the stat you provided.  The comparison to the flu vaccine thread  was the benefit of correct information in forming opinions.  It was suggested to several posters in that thread that their decision to forego the vaccine was based on lack of information or misinformation.  Assault weapon, semi-auto, full-auto, whatever - there are differences. 

once again, the homicide from firearm statitstics do not differentiate so from the point of view of dying from gunshot no, there is no difference

I don't think anything will ever "work" for our country because we have a different type of person than many of the other countries in the world do. Also even if people want to debate the issue we do have a basic right to own firearms in the US with a huge lobby to keep it that way. I personally do not think we will change a thing with gun laws or bans but until we cure the people that cause the crimes they will always be a sad part of life.

That's the other thing that's hard when just using statistics of how many people are killed by fire arms.  A significant percentage are police dropping bad guys or justifiable shootings in self defense.  Also, how many murders were prevented by people lawfully having a firearm?  No way to know that stat, but i bet it's significant.

I found an FBI chart that lists out more detail on types of weapons used.  The "rifle" was significantly lower than hands, fists, clubs, and hammers.  Based on this data the supposed "assault weapons" ban would do nothing, even if it were 100% successful in removing every "rifle" from the country.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html

Poor analogy. Most of the car deaths are unintentinally caused. Gun deaths are typically intentional.

I could be wrong (that has happened a lot this week), but background checks are done at the federal level.  When I go buy a firearm, I have to fill out Form 4473 and then my information is called into the BATFE (I believe) for "clearance" to purchase a gun.  Now, I chose to obtain a CCW, so my background investigation was complete when I submitted the paperwork for that, and I can now legally purchase a gun "on the spot" from the store.  If I did not have that, my information must be called in for every purchase and cleared.  Some people will be "held" for various reasons.  My husband was held for 2 days before he could pick up his purchase.  We suspect the reasoning had to do the with the clearance level of the person conducting the check, but you don't get to find out. 

If I have this slightly wrong, please correct me.  This is my understanding of operations in Arizona.

I see that alot, but so far I don't think I can come up with an incident where that happened.

I'll say this.....if you ever find yourself in that position, I would use your gun as a last resort to keep yourself and your family alive....and then get as far away from your own gun as you can before the calvary arrives.  You don't want to be the guy standing there with a gun when the Police show up. It's absolute chaos.

One way or another....that's what will happen to stop it. (unless they shoot themself)  There really is no getting past that.