Feds can't force Domino's founder to offer contraceptives, judge says (Page 2)

Sex is a dirty, evil deed that you should abstain from all together, and we shouldn't be giving out "have free sex" pills or society will suffer and rights will be violated.

Until you're married, then sex is a beautiful, God honoring act between you and your spouse, and if you're not a Catholic women who obeys the contraception thing, then you get to have a lot of it.  Although not as much as you probably did when it was a dirty, evil deed.

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Monahan only owns Domino's Farms, which is a large office complex on Plymouth Rd, in Ann Arbor, pretty near U of Michigan's north campus.  The ruling is based on the 80 people he employs to manage the facility.

There is a really neat petting farm/zoo there.  A nice herd of bison too!

And the area does some killer winter solstice celebration light displays

What do you think of Quakers and their history of being granted conscientious objector status during times of war with a draft?

DanielG - 2013-03-15 1:31 PM

scorpio516 - 2013-03-15 1:24 PM Monahan only owns Domino's Farms, which is a large office complex on Plymouth Rd, in Ann Arbor, pretty near U of Michigan's north campus.  The ruling is based on the 80 people he employs to manage the facility.

 

There is a really neat petting farm/zoo there.  A nice herd of bison too!

And the area does some killer winter solstice celebration light displays

I'll bet the bison have a contraceptive plan in their health care

Betcha they have good coverage for a fertility doctor too.

DanielG - I'll bet the bison have a contraceptive plan in their health care

For bison it's all good, as long as there's Zabrowka.

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I don't think of it all when considering whether or not contraception should be covered by insurance.  If that CEO doesn't want his wife to take birth control, more power to him, but in not allowing for coverage of contraception, he is discriminating against women.  Times have changed in that most of us are cool with women having the same work place rights and advantages as men.  Covered contraception levels the playing field, if only slightly, because now they don't have to pay for something that men don't.  Just because they got the organs that bake the bun doesn't mean they should pay $40/month (what my wife paid before it was covered) so they can have sex with their husbands.  

Unless you think a suitable arrangement is to just stop doing the deed if you want to have a career.

The reason I brought up Quaker CO status is because it shows a history of the government recognizing the religious liberty of Quakers.

I know lots of Quakers, and our families are entwined.  I don't agree with them on a number of issues, including the CO one, but I recognize that they come to it with deeply held convictions that are correctly understood to be religious in nature.  The right to freely exercise the religious beliefs that Quakers hold, for example, is the point of the 1st amendment. 

Tom Monaghan is not discriminating against anyone.  He has deeply held religious beliefs.  Those beliefs are not capricious or an attempt to dodge his responsibilities as an employer. They are legitimately religious in nature.  He should not be compelled by the government to go against those beliefs. Doing so would violate his 1st amendment rights.

My last employer didn't provide health care benefits at all. Was he still discriminating against women? They still had to pay for birth control out of their own pockets.

wow I am sorry but the logic here is just all over the place.

What birthcontrol coverage do men get that women don't?

While I don't agree with the owner's views, I don't think whether or not the pill is being used for birth control matters in this discussion. Even if it isn't being taken for that purpose, it still has the same effect, even if unintended.

This.  A legitimate none-pregnancy related health concern, like a good friend of my daughter who is on the pill to prevent excessive and random-timed bleeding.  Why should this not be covered under a health plan?

In that case how exactly does it differ from any of the other drugs an insurance company does not cover unds it's different plans? You can get a policy that covers any and all prescriptions regardless of premium but it is going to cost you, should companies be forced to pay for those plans?

In my opinion it has everything to do with equality.  Why should a woman be forced to pay for something a man doesn't so she can consummate relationships without having to worry about taking time off for a baby?  It's basically a fee for being a woman.  Discrimination is not always just about denying something wholly and totally.  

Of course, if I had my way, birth control wouldn't even be part of insurance.  Just go see a doctor, figure out what you need, and it's provided.  I believe the benefits to society if every of age woman had provided access to birth control would be immeasurable.  So honestly, trying to convince me that this guys religious rights are being violated is pretty pointless.  He still gets to go to church, pray when he wants, choose his god, and he and his wife can still make their birth control decision together.  

Why should my friends name brand heart medication not be covered? I don't see anyone screaming about those plans that do not cover name brand lipitor or a myriad of other drugs

The point is we don't have to have any.  You shouldn't be forced to pay for something that could aid in your career because you weren't lucky enough to have a penis.

That's a good point.

Hormonal treatment for such health issues is allowed under Catholic teaching.  In my opinion for what it's worth, it could be allowed under a health plan.

Just thinking off the cuff here, I'd guess we'd have to assume that it is actually a real health concern and not just a cover for contraception and then assume that it would only be used while the medical condition is present.

Exactly why is is her sole responsibility? If you want to get busy cough up some dough or wrap your package but it is as much the man's responsibility as the woman's!

Free condoms are available at clinics across the country. Just saying....

the not having a penis is balanced out by the fact that if I were to become pregnant I have the right to choose wheter or not to have the child withou the man's input. This includes the ability to force the man to then pay child support for the rest of the childs life. Seems to me we both have a pretty good stake in making sure one of us does not get prenant regadless of who has the penis.