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2007-06-21 4:50 PM in reply to: #854812 |
COURT JESTER 12230 ROCKFORD, IL | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? …and Ron and Hermione get serious, maybe engaged. What about the relationship subplots. Do Harry and Ginny snog one more time before Harry (maybe) dies? Will Malfoy (The Pathetic) live by running away in cowardace (sp?). As with the end of “Goblet of Fire,” will the “bonds created that school year” come back to help in any way? |
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2007-06-21 4:52 PM in reply to: #855005 |
Expert 929 Hawaii | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Having read all six books several times each, its hard to NOT post in this thread. But one thing consistent through the series... if JKR says someone is dead, or gone out of the book, they are. Sirius - dead Dumbledore - dead She has also said that while Alan Rickman makes Snape a popular character as an actor, the character itself is NOT a good character and "bad characters generally come to a bad end."
Now I really need to go back and read the 5th book. I don't remember much discussion about Sirius' death. What did Dumbledore tell Harry about Sirius’ death? What did Dumbledore say about the veil? It just seems that the mirror that Sirius left Harry (and Harry subsequently shattered) will resurface. It’s too handy of a tool. |
2007-06-21 4:56 PM in reply to: #854993 |
Elite 3221 the desert | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? naners - 2007-06-21 2:28 PM And I'm inclined to think that Dumbledore is no more dead than Sirius is (that is to say, either not dead at all or only dead to an as-yet-undetermined extent). Dumbledore's gone. J.K. Rowling has been pretty adamant about that one. Plot-wise he kind of needs to be gone. Harry's the one that needs to stand up to Voldemort. I don't think that could've (or would've) happened if Dumbledore was around. Dumbledore knew. Right before he died, he was pleading with Snape. I think he was pleading with Snape to kill him. It was a part of the prophecy. Now, Sirius is another story. His death was so abrupt. I think that there's still some way for Harry to contact Sirius. Even if he is dead, wouldn't Harry (and others) be able to talk with him. He was a headmaster so he should have a painting hanging at Hogwarts. Or am I crazy? |
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2007-06-21 5:08 PM in reply to: #855005 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? spokes - 2007-06-21 5:35 PM She has also said that while Alan Rickman makes Snape a popular character as an actor, the character itself is NOT a good character and "bad characters generally come to a bad end." Well until she portrays his character as "bad" he's not a bad character. Suspect, perhaps. But not bad. That's the whole point of storytelling - let the character reveal him or herself. Do you have a source for her comments about Snape being a bad character? |
2007-06-21 5:11 PM in reply to: #855022 |
Expert 929 Hawaii | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? tupuppy - 2007-06-21 3:50 PM …and Ron and Hermione get serious, maybe engaged. What about the relationship subplots. Do Harry and Ginny snog one more time before Harry (maybe) dies? Will Malfoy (The Pathetic) live by running away in cowardace (sp?). As with the end of “Goblet of Fire,” will the “bonds created that school year” come back to help in any way? Hmmmm, maybe Ginny and Harry will manage some more snogging during Bill and Fleur’s wedding. For some reason, I don’t see Ginny simply standing aside and staying home as Harry goes off to fight Voldemort. Unless Harry pleads with her to stay put, but even that…it can’t happen. She’s a fighter. She’s one of my favorite characters. I want to see more of her in this last book. Malfoy. Maybe he'll follow Snape's lead and join in the fight against Voldemort? Okay, probably not, but the “happily ever after” part of me is still hoping that Malfoy will come and fight with the good guys. The bonds with other schools. I forgot about those! Is the life debt that Wormtail owes Harry going to be repaid? |
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2007-06-21 5:19 PM in reply to: #855045 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Draco Malfoy - that has lots of plot potential. Will he defy his father and every prejudice he was raised with and display a strength of character heretofore unseen? Will he turn pure evil, out of self-hatred for not being 'brave' enough to follow through on his orders? Or self-hatred out of guilt? Powerful and corrosive emotions. Remember what Yoda said! |
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2007-06-21 5:39 PM in reply to: #855078 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? I was looking for source rather than interpretation. It's obvious Snape isn't bad. Grumpy maybe and a thorn in Harry's side - but he's never done anything to harm Harry. His comments about Harry have not been entirely inaccurate, either. Harry is lazy with his potions - and this is one area that would have made Harry a much stronger wizard. Harry breaks the rules, Harry doesn't do his homework, Harry is defiant. All true. While kids might react emotionally against Snape, as an adult I can see where the author wants us to dislike the character and confuse that dislike with a need to believe he is a bad character. That's what I like about the way she's written Snape's character - he's not an archetype, there is subtlety to his personality and mystery to his motives. Edited by Renee 2007-06-21 5:40 PM |
2007-06-21 5:49 PM in reply to: #855072 |
Expert 929 Hawaii | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? spokes - 2007-06-21 4:31 PM Renee - 2007-06-21 3:19 PM Draco Malfoy - that has lots of plot potential. Will he defy his father and every prejudice he was raised with and display a strength of character heretofore unseen? Will he turn pure evil, out of self-hatred for not being 'brave' enough to follow through on his orders? Or self-hatred out of guilt? Powerful and corrosive emotions. Remember what Yoda said! JKR has said Draco will not team up with Harry to hunt down Voldemort/The Death Eaters.
I hadn’t read that. That’s a bummer. After the apparent inner struggle he had in that last scene with Dumbldore, I’ve been hoping that he’ll have a change of heart. Heck, I’m still hoping that Malfoy is going to suddenly have a change of heart. Maybe JKR was just being technical in her statement. Malfoy may not actively join the order or the DA, but maybe at a key moment he could fail to act against the good guys. Failure to attack isn’t necessarily joining up with the good guys, but it may imply some sort of change of heart.
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2007-06-21 6:05 PM in reply to: #854812 |
Elite 3221 the desert | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Uh oh
Hacker claims alleged ‘Harry Potter’ endingAhead of book release, debate has raged about whether boy wizard dieshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19352126/?gt1=10056 This is a link to the article (no spoilers) - not the hackers site. Although if you are interested www.InSecure.org ,,,, Edited by triguyfitz 2007-06-21 6:06 PM |
2007-06-21 6:10 PM in reply to: #854812 |
Elite 3221 the desert | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Bunch of nonsense on that site |
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2007-06-21 7:25 PM in reply to: #854812 |
Master 2287 Calgary, Alberta | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Haven't you all read it yet? Chapter OneSecrets Unraveled Harry slowly raised his head and stared morosely at the familiar visage of number four, Privet Drive. What had already been a horrible day was rapidly getting worse. Not only did he have to appear unannounced on the Dursleys’ doorstep (something he knew they’d have no problem expressing their displeasure over), but he’d also have to tell them that two other freaks would be joining him this afternoon. The corner of Harry’s mouth twitched humorlessly as he envisioned how they’d take the news. He’d left Ron and Hermione at King’s Cross station a little over an hour ago. They were each going to make quick stops at their respective homes before Apparating to Privet Drive. Harry smiled fondly, remembering their show of solidarity. He hadn’t been expecting it; he’d thought he’d be going on alone. Although he was desperately worried about them and the remainder of their quest, he had to admit that the thought of some support while facing his relatives was quite nice indeed. Harry had thought it would be better – or at least less embarrassing – if he arrived at Privet Drive first and prepared his relatives for their arrival. He’d wanted to get away from the Hogwarts Express and the other students as quickly as possible…before he ran into Ginny. Ginny. Harry quickly shook his head – he couldn’t afford to think about Ginny. He still didn’t think his resolve was strong enough to hold. Since he wasn’t yet of age, he’d quickly slipped away without speaking to any of the crowd at King’s Cross and taken the train to Privet Drive. The long, hot journey had left him irritable. It didn’t bode well for the coming reunion. He’d considered just Apparating back from Hogsmeade to avoid the Hogwarts Express altogether. So what if the Ministry chucked him out of Hogwarts now? He wasn’t going back, anyway. Hermione, always the voice of reason, reminded him that there was no need to give the Ministry an excuse to break his wand, and Harry had to admit that she had a point. Rufus Scrimgeour wanted Harry under his control, and Harry wouldn’t put it past the man to make life difficult in an effort to force Harry to comply. Harry had no patience for the man or his politicking. Still, recklessly using underage magic for the sake of mere convenience was a risk not worth taking. He hated when Hermione was right. So, he’d sat in a compartment with Ron and Hermione and tried to ignore the hole in his heart that Ginny’s absence created. He hadn’t seen her the entire journey home and wondered which compartment she’d sat on the train. Neither Ron nor Hermione had asked him where she was, but he’d caught Hermione staring at him speculatively on several occasions. Harry had been steadfast in avoiding her gaze. He’d stared out the window miserably, his thoughts focused on happier days… Ginny. Stuffing his hands in the pockets of his jeans and squaring his shoulders, Harry trudged across the street towards the immaculately pruned garden of number four, Privet Drive. He’d promised Dumbledore that he’d return one more time before his birthday, and he intended to keep that pledge. Harry’s chest tightened as he thought of his headmaster, but he blinked the moisture from his eyes and continued forward. This was what Dumbledore had wanted, and this was what he was going to do. Still, knowing what he had to do didn’t make doing it any easier. He wasn’t in the mood to deal with the Dursleys’ nonsense. He had no patience for their petty bigotry…he had bigger challenges to face. The days when Vernon Dursley’s purple face could make him cower were long past. He wondered what he could expect when they opened the door to find him standing there after his eventful departure last summer. All in all, he supposed it could be worse. He’d rather face the Dursleys’ ire than Molly Weasley’s fury when Ron informed her of his plans to ditch the Burrow this summer and head straight into the war that she’d been so adamantly attempting to shield him from. Oh, no, Harry mused, he got off far easier in only having to face the Dursleys. He wondered if Ron would have dropped his little bombshell while still at King’s Cross, or if he would have waited until arriving at the Burrow. Harry could picture Ron in the kitchen trying to reason with his mum, and Ginny would be there… Ginny. Harry’s heart constricted at the mere thought of her, and he pressed his eyelids together as if to squeeze her from his thoughts. Everything had seemed so simple and straightforward in his mind when he’d made his decision. He couldn’t put Ginny in danger. He’d never survive if he lost her, too. But he had something he had to do, and he couldn’t afford any distractions while he was searching for the Horcruxes. Breaking it off had been the right thing to do. There was no reason that she should have to put her life on hold just because he did. It could take years to find them all. At the time, it had seemed the perfectly logical thing to do. But now, away from Hogwarts and facing the unknown…now, nothing was clear. He didn’t know how he’d be able to function with this pain tearing such a hole in his heart. He felt as if he were bleeding continually from an invisible wound. One thing he did know for certain: she could distract him with a simple smile, and he couldn’t afford to be distracted. He had too much that he had to do. As for what did come next…that’s where Harry faltered. He knew what it was he had to do, he just wasn’t certain about how to do it. How could he find the remaining four Horcruxes? Where did he start? And how did he keep himself – or worse, Ron and Hermione – from suffering the same fate Dumbledore did when he’d located the last two Horcruxes? Or what he’d thought was a Horcrux, anyway… R.A.B. How was he to find R.A.B.? Where did he begin? The locket, the cup, the snake, and something of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw… It seemed hopeless and overwhelming as a whole, so he’d have to start in pieces and work from there. He fingered the cold, hard metal of the fake Horcrux that he still kept in his pocket. Harry had found himself using it as some sort of talisman, holding onto it whenever the stress started to build. There had to be a way, and he was going to find it. The first step would be Godric’s Hollow. He wasn’t certain what he expected to find there, it just seemed important that he go. Scratch that. The first step would be getting through his last confinement with the Dursleys, and the sooner he started enduring that, the sooner he could move forward. While he’d been lost in thought, Harry’s feet had carried him to the front door. Taking a deep breath, he tapped the knocker three times. Here we go. It took only a few moments before he heard footsteps approaching the door. It opened slightly, and Aunt Petunia’s horsy face peered through the crack. He watched as her eyes widened in surprise before the door swung open wide, and she yanked him inside by the collar of his shirt. “What are you doing here?” Aunt Petunia demanded, her long neck craning from side to side to ensure none of the neighbors were out and about and watching Harry being manhandled by his aunt. “Why are you back here so soon? Did those freaks at that school of yours finally decide they didn’t want you either and throw you out? Did you think you could just show up here unannounced?” “Hello, Aunt Petunia. It’s nice to see you, too,” Harry said pleasantly, pulling back from her grip and readjusting his collar. He spared a quick glance at the parlor, noting that nothing had really changed, although there were some crumpled sweet wrappers on an end table, which was unusual for Aunt Petunia. “Don’t you ‘hello’ me,” his aunt snapped, dragging his attention back to her aggravated face. “I asked you what you are doing here? Term still has several weeks remaining.” Harry shrugged and dropped his gaze to the floor. “We were released early this year,” he said vaguely, not wanting to discuss Dumbledore’s death with her quite so soon. He wasn’t ready. Before she could reply, the kitchen door swung open, and Harry’s cousin Dudley lumbered into the room. He was even larger than Harry remembered, and his face looked tired and drawn. His eyes opened wide with shock upon seeing Harry, and he began gaping like a fish. “What’s he doing here?” Dudley demanded, pointing a porky finger at Harry. Harry was pleased to notice the slight tremor in Dudley’s hand. After years of being the victim of Dudley’s bullying behavior, it was nice to have the shoe on the other foot, so to speak. “Hey, Duds,” Harry said, grinning widely. “You’re home from school early, too. Did they chuck you out?” Harry asked, throwing Aunt Petunia’s taunt back at his cousin. Harry was surprised when Dudley ignored Harry completely and turned his panic-stricken eyes upon his mother. “Thought you’d get him to look me over, did you? Trying to compare and see if he’s infected me? It’s all his fault, anyway. You know that. Him and that freak of an old man who took him the last time – they did this to me. You know they did something. He threatened you, I heard him.” “Now, now, Popkin,” Aunt Petunia said soothingly, but Harry couldn’t help but notice the tremor in her voice. “Don’t get yourself upset. You know what happens when you get too fussed.” Dudley’s eyes nearly bulged out of the sockets, and he grasped his mother’s forearms with enough force to leave red marks. “Mummy! Don’t let it happen again,” he whimpered. Aunt Petunia pulled her arm away and began patting Dudley on the back and cooing softly as she led him into the parlor. Once she sat him on the couch and calmed him down, she turned back towards Harry. Her eyes were filled with such intense loathing that Harry found himself taking a step back involuntarily. What was going on here? “Sit down and don’t dirty the sofa. I’m going to get Duddy a glass of lemonade,” she hissed, scurrying from the room. “Don’t upset him.” Harry looked over at Dudley and furrowed his eyebrows. “What’s got your knickers in such a twist, Dud?” “What are you doing here? Did they ask you to come look at me? I won’t have you or any of your freak friends pawing at me. Don’t think I can’t get that ruddy thing away from you, and when I do…” Dudley’s face matched the purple color that Harry usually associated with Uncle Vernon. “Take it easy, Dud. You’re going to burst something. Why don’t you tell me what’s going on here? What is this all about?” Harry asked. His mind was racing, trying to remember all the details from his last trip to Privet Drive. It seemed like another lifetime ago. Professor Dumbledore had been pleasant, even though it was obvious to Harry that he had been upset by the way that the Dursleys had treated Harry. Still, he didn’t think that was something the Dursleys would have picked up. Harry’s comfort and well-being had never been one of their considerations. Dudley appeared to be under the impression that Professor Dumbledore had threatened them, however. How would Dudley’s mind have formed that idea? Of course, being the bully he was, Dudley probably assumed everyone was threatening him, since he spent most of his time threatening others. Still, Harry tried to recall the conversation from the previous year to work out what had wound up his relatives so much. Staring at Dudley sitting crouched into himself on the couch brought Dumbledore’s words back into Harry’s mind. He had said something about leaving a note for the Dursleys when he’d dropped Harry on their doorstep all those years ago. “You did not do as I asked. You have never treated Harry as a son. He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands. The best that can be said is that he has at least escaped the appalling damage you have inflicted upon the unfortunate boy sitting between you.” Was that what Dudley thought was a threat? How could it be, though? Another memory arose in Harry’s mind of a Howler sent to Aunt Petunia after the Dementor attack on Harry and Dudley in the alley before his fifth year. “Remember my last.” The last must have been this same letter. Harry was burning with curiosity to know exactly what the letter had said. He held little hope that Aunt Petunia would tell him, however. Why is she so worried about Dudley being upset, anyway? Not that she ever likes to see her little popkin upset, Harry thought with a grimace. Only one thing to do for it, then. “So what’s this about Professor Dumbledore doing something to you last time, Duds? Are you sprouting a tail again? I didn’t even see him do it. Of course, he has no problem with non-verbal spells, so you never know what he could have been up to,” Harry said casually, forcing down the painful lump that lodged itself in his throat when speaking as if Professor Dumbledore were still alive. Dudley cowered away from Harry and scrambled off the couch faster than his bulk should have allowed. His hands instinctively searching his massive behind for, Harry assumed, the return of a pig’s tail. “Stay away from me! I mean it…you stay away!” Harry stood up and began walking towards Dudley with a determined stride. “What’s wrong, Dud? Why are you so skittish all of a sudden? Lost your nerve, have you? Is this what’s got you acting like such a little girl?” Harry asked, drawing his wand from his sleeve. “Put it away,” Dudley screeched, backing into a corner. Harry would have laughed if it weren’t so pathetic. This was the great git of a bully who had regularly made Harry’s life a living hell when he was small? “I mean it, Potter, put that thing away,” Dudley growled. “Or what, Dud? What are you going to do?” Harry couldn’t help his morbid fascination, wondering how far he could push before Dudley would strike back. Before Dudley could answer him, however, the vase on the table next to him started shaking violently. It rattled on the table as it moved closer to the edge. Harry stared at it in surprise. He really wasn’t that upset, not about this, anyway. Why was his magic reacting so strongly? “Oh, no,” Dudley moaned before the vase flew from the table and went careening towards Harry’s head. Harry was so shocked that he never had time to move. The heavy ceramic vase slammed into the side of his face with enough force to knock him from his feet. The vase and Harry both landed on the floor with a heavy thud, the vase shattering in several large chunks. Alerted by the noise, Aunt Petunia hurried back into the room and screeched at the destruction. “What have you done?” she spat, stepping over Harry to retrieve the broken pieces of her vase. “It happened again, Mummy,” Dudley wailed. “He did it! I know he did.” Aunt Petunia leapt to her feet and hurried over to Dudley. “There, there, now, sweetums. Mummy’s here. Everything will be all right. Come into the kitchen, and I’ll make you a nice snack. I’ll take care of everything.”
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2007-06-21 9:24 PM in reply to: #854812 |
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2007-06-21 10:40 PM in reply to: #854812 |
Master 2287 Calgary, Alberta | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? A friend e-mailed it to me as a 2 meg PDF. What I posted here is as far as I've read of it. I reformatted the PDF to print as a word document and in doing so came across an Authors note leading me to believe this is not the actual HP # 7 but someone elses version. As such I stopped reading at this point as I don't want to confuse or disappoint myself when # 7 comes out. I'll read it afterwards. I forwarded it on to another friend who read it from beginning to end and he says its possibly the best one he's read yet and he says the ending leaves it open for a possible # 8.... |
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2007-06-27 9:05 AM in reply to: #854812 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Okay, I finished rereading the last 2 books. Details fresh in my mind now. naners - 2007-06-21 4:30 PM Will Harry go down in a battle with Voldemort? I think no. Harry will take Voldemort down but people close to Harry will die. Is Harry a horcrux? My initial reaction was no but then I got into a chicken/egg loop with this. Since Voldemort had to murder someone to make a horcrux and Dumbledore said that Harry was the someone intended for this purpose, I thought no. However, Voldemorte murdered Lily and perhaps he unintentionally created a horcrux of Harry. Bigger picture, though, Harry would have to be destroyed before Voldemort could be destroyed and I think this is too much of a story challenge. In this last book, Harry has to find the Hufflepuff cup, an unknown possession of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor, and he has to ascertain that the stolen locket really was destroyed. Only so much time in the book for all this to happen AND vanquish Voldemort. Is Snape evil? No. I didn't think so the first time I read the last book and I still don't think so. For these reasons:
Will Hogwarts re-open? I think it has to. The kids are not prepared to battle Death Eaters. They need more larnin'. What do you all think? Now I'm really excited for the book to come out! And the movie! |
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2007-06-27 9:48 AM in reply to: #862325 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? First of all...nerd alert! Geez...you people. OK...second of all. There's no way in hell Harry dies. Good always wins out in the end. But here's what *will* happen: Harry's battling Voldermort rightesouly, and getting his @ss kicked. He's down...almost out, when Voldermort kills... wait for it... Hermione. This p!sses Harry off, of course, and enough for him to use his tremendous rage to defeat Voldermort. |
2007-06-27 10:07 AM in reply to: #862461 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? run4yrlif - 2007-06-27 10:48 AM First of all...nerd alert! Geez...you people. OK...second of all. There's no way in hell Harry dies. Good always wins out in the end. But here's what *will* happen: Harry's battling Voldermort rightesouly, and getting his @ss kicked. He's down...almost out, when Voldermort kills... wait for it... Hermione. This p!sses Harry off, of course, and enough for him to use his tremendous rage to defeat Voldermort. Heh. When my youngest sister was in high school, she and her friends formed the Nerd Patrol. They actually designed/created little cards they would hand to people as citations for being nerdy. My response to her: bet you don't have alot of friends, do you? Ok, your prognostication. Hmmmm Hermione. I think Hermione will be very instrumental in vanquishing the bad guyz. I can't see JKR killing off Hermione. I think Neville is going to die fighting, unfortunately, but not before doing some damage of his own. Ron and Hermione will ride off into the sunset. I think Ginny will come into her own in the next book, too. I think Snape will die fighting for the good cause, perhaps saving Harry's life. |
2007-06-27 10:22 AM in reply to: #854812 |
Expert 830 Chesapeake, VA | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? Ok...I wish I saw this thread earliar. Isn't anyone curious who has been destroying the Horcrux's? I think it is Sirius Blacks brother. I am looking for this person whomever they are to have a major role in the book. Look for Harry and him to cross paths in the movie. Although Hogwarts may open do we really think Harry is going back? Remember he is no longer protected because he has come of age and has revenge on his mind. |
2007-06-27 10:22 AM in reply to: #854812 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Is Harry going to die? I read an article yesterday that made sense to me. It said that Harry can't die because it would kill off future revenue streams. WHo is going to go see the last 3 movies if everyone knows Harry dies in the last movie? Also, you aren't going to keep selling the merchanidise if the lead guy is dead, right?
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