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 2009-01-23 10:45 AM in reply to: #1924818 |
Veteran  316  Dalgety Bay |  Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULLlmscozz - 2009-01-23 4:32 PM vascilate Damn good word - by the way. I missed it first time. Going to be my word of the night at Scout meting tonight. |
| 2009-01-23 10:58 AM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638  Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL
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| 2009-01-23 10:58 AM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL I think I especially like shilly-shally. See how *that* one goes for you at your Scout meeting!  |
| 2009-01-23 11:04 AM in reply to: #1924919 |
Veteran 316 Dalgety Bay | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 4:58 PM I think I especially like shilly-shally. See how *that* one goes for you at your Scout meeting! LOL Oh you show off! |
| 2009-01-23 12:02 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Veteran 123 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL I figure if folks are going to challenge me to finally pull the trigger and sign up for a sprint I should follow some form of regimented plan versus my own daily torture. I selected the freebie 16 week sprint - 3x balanced. It seems very manageable but I do have a question for all you veterans and feel free to poke fun at me if it's obvious: what do the numbers next to each routine on the calendar represent? e.g. '12-swim', 24-bike, 12-run. Doh. Inquiring minds want to know... the hammer is cocked. |
| 2009-01-23 12:35 PM in reply to: #1925187 |
Veteran 123 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL yes, tis me replying to my own post. After hearing the sweet sound of snorts and chuckles all the way over here in a beantown burb I figured out what the numbers mean. I am such a dope but it gave me a huge laugh in the middle of the office so, it was worth it; my co-workers have no idea what i'm up to these days thoughts? |
. Now that I understand the numbers I'm wondering if I chose a plan that isn't really going to challenge me. I'm definitely already exceeding the minutes so I guess I could just add to them to get my speed up?| 2009-01-23 12:57 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Cindy, Do the plan. The numbers may seem short, but they do ramp up over the course of the plan. If you still don't feel like you're being challenged, then step up to an Olympic plan and do those minutes. Also, remember that these plans (the freebies) are designed mostly to get you to finish a race, not to help you get to the podium. If you want to ramp it up without doing the Olympic plan, my advice would be to get more volume out of your minutes. If you're supposed to run for 20 minutes and normally you could get 2 miles in there, push and try to get 2.5 or 3 miles out of your time, etc. But check it out ... you're nervous about doing a sprint, and here you are already above the training curve! Just do it, baby, you're ready to take the plunge! |
| 2009-01-23 1:43 PM in reply to: #1924915 |
Master 1332 Vista, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 8:58 AM
All right, Morgan, so I misspelled it. Smarty pants. And, btw -- may join you in that 70 mile ride. |
| 2009-01-23 2:07 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Hey, I would have spelled it the same way ... and did when using thesaurus.com And Todd ... thanks for the rain. Edited by Poster Nutbag 2009-01-23 2:07 PM |
| 2009-01-23 2:09 PM in reply to: #1925555 |
Master 1332 Vista, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 12:07 PM Hey, I would have spelled it the same way ... and did when using thesaurus.com And Todd ... thanks for the rain. Loved your list -- don't know if I could spell anymore without spell check! As long as it stops raining by Sunday morning for the Carlsbad 1/2 |
| 2009-01-23 2:10 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Yeah, join the ride! I used the route function to map out the climbing, and it looks like just a little over 4200 feet over 70 miles. Nothing too major, with the Lawrence Welk climb looking like the tough part. Circle R portion is downhill, but you get Rancho Santa Fe out of San Elijo towards Mira Costa at mile 67. Ugh! |
| 2009-01-23 2:27 PM in reply to: #1924859 |
Master 1790 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL paul walker - 2009-01-23 11:43 AM lmscozz - 2009-01-23 4:32 PM paul walker - 2009-01-23 7:08 AM the gym are messing with my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was up the gym this morning and thought I'd slip on the electronic ones I usually use to weigh in once a week. (I wouldn't usually do this other than my weekly but I was still upset at the gain this week. Up from 250 to 253.) AND......... this morning I weigh in at 247! Hell now I don't know what to think. Hoping previous weigh in was just an aberration. (shrugs) Oh well, roll on Monday weigh day. Paul-- If I hop on the scales throughout the day I can vascilate 3 to 4 pounds easy, especially after eating, drinking, sometimes working out, going to the bathroom, or not, what I'm wearing, etc. etc. It's enough to make one crazy, so I stopped doing it a few years back. I typically weigh at home on my scale (for consistency) but you can pick a scale, any scale :0) and maybe twice a week in the morning before eating and without clothes. I figure that's my constant. There are so many fluctuations -- even medications, for women mostly, the hormonal changes we go through, etc. So don't let it get you down. As long as you're following your eating plan and doing all the "right" things, it will all come out lower in the end -- and remember that muscle takes up less space than fat, but it will weigh heavier on the scale because it usually contains more water. But overall, a really good judge is how your clothes are fitting. One of those body fat monitors would be great to have at home, but even those can give false results. Stick with your plan, you're really making great progress. Awwwww Lynn you're so sweat. Thanks for the comments. I just use these scales at the gym have done for ages and usually only once a week at the same time each week. Just seems like this weekthay are having a crazy time. LOL. It's okay, it won't get me down, honest. Those that know me know I'm so laid back I'm horizontal. I agree with all you say but thanks for taking the tie. It's so nice to have people here who care enough to comment. You're a star! <---- imagining Paul always being horizontal |
| 2009-01-23 2:28 PM in reply to: #1925295 |
Master 1790 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL oshunluvah - 2009-01-23 1:35 PM yes, tis me replying to my own post. After hearing the sweet sound of snorts and chuckles all the way over here in a beantown burb I figured out what the numbers mean. I am such a dope but it gave me a huge laugh in the middle of the office so, it was worth it; my co-workers have no idea what i'm up to these days thoughts? I'm kinda in a similar boat. I am not a good enough swimmer to start the Oly plan yet, and I'm not running at all. But I can ride the bike trainer for 90 minutes. I plan to make some of my bikes longer than the training plan calls for, and then switch to an Oly plan when my running and swimming improves. Edited to add - not a stupid question. I'm just starting to use a training plan for the first time, and it is a bit confusing. Edited by Offthegrid 2009-01-23 2:30 PM |
| 2009-01-23 4:52 PM in reply to: #1925632 |
Veteran 316 Dalgety Bay | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Offthegrid - 2009-01-23 8:27 PM paul walker - 2009-01-23 11:43 AM <---- imagining Paul always being horizontallmscozz - 2009-01-23 4:32 PM paul walker - 2009-01-23 7:08 AM the gym are messing with my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was up the gym this morning and thought I'd slip on the electronic ones I usually use to weigh in once a week. (I wouldn't usually do this other than my weekly but I was still upset at the gain this week. Up from 250 to 253.) AND......... this morning I weigh in at 247! Hell now I don't know what to think. Hoping previous weigh in was just an aberration. (shrugs) Oh well, roll on Monday weigh day. Paul-- If I hop on the scales throughout the day I can vascilate 3 to 4 pounds easy, especially after eating, drinking, sometimes working out, going to the bathroom, or not, what I'm wearing, etc. etc. It's enough to make one crazy, so I stopped doing it a few years back. I typically weigh at home on my scale (for consistency) but you can pick a scale, any scale :0) and maybe twice a week in the morning before eating and without clothes. I figure that's my constant. There are so many fluctuations -- even medications, for women mostly, the hormonal changes we go through, etc. So don't let it get you down. As long as you're following your eating plan and doing all the "right" things, it will all come out lower in the end -- and remember that muscle takes up less space than fat, but it will weigh heavier on the scale because it usually contains more water. But overall, a really good judge is how your clothes are fitting. One of those body fat monitors would be great to have at home, but even those can give false results. Stick with your plan, you're really making great progress. Awwwww Lynn you're so sweat. Thanks for the comments. I just use these scales at the gym have done for ages and usually only once a week at the same time each week. Just seems like this weekthay are having a crazy time. LOL. It's okay, it won't get me down, honest. Those that know me know I'm so laid back I'm horizontal. I agree with all you say but thanks for taking the tie. It's so nice to have people here who care enough to comment. You're a star! It's great for the swim but a bugger on the bike and run. BTW! I'm so flattered you are imagining me horizontal! Is it okay if I reciprocate? |
| 2009-01-23 5:43 PM in reply to: #1925359 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 10:57 AM Cindy, Do the plan. The numbers may seem short, but they do ramp up over the course of the plan. If you still don't feel like you're being challenged, then step up to an Olympic plan and do those minutes. Also, remember that these plans (the freebies) are designed mostly to get you to finish a race, not to help you get to the podium. If you want to ramp it up without doing the Olympic plan, my advice would be to get more volume out of your minutes. If you're supposed to run for 20 minutes and normally you could get 2 miles in there, push and try to get 2.5 or 3 miles out of your time, etc. But check it out ... you're nervous about doing a sprint, and here you are already above the training curve! Just do it, baby, you're ready to take the plunge! I'd second basically everything Morgan says here. As an example of training to get beginners to the finish line, without regard for performance, I was out for a group run with my wife's corporate tri team last night and they are in a "base building" phase and that tends to pull everything down to the level of the most novice participants. Same can be said for the free training plans. If you are already at a level of preparedness beyond what the plan prescribes, as Morgan says, consider stepping up to a plan for a longer distance. It won't hurt your preparations...it can only help. |
| 2009-01-23 5:44 PM in reply to: #1925555 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 12:07 PM Hey, I would have spelled it the same way ... and did when using thesaurus.com And Todd ... thanks for the rain. Happy to oblige...esp. since I just got in from a two hour ride in the rain...followed by 1 hour, 20 minutes of bike and gear cleanup.  |
| 2009-01-23 6:04 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Just a general thought on training plans (since I don't use them): Definitely don't be afraid of trusting your considered judgment, listening to feedback from your body, dealing with a sense that you aren't challenging yourself enough, whatever, if you feel like making sensible adjustments to a plan. I see too many people on BT beat themselves up out of slavish devotion to their plans. I do recognize, of course, that some people need that adherence for psychological reasons (like, they won't train if they allow themselves "slack"). In general, you aren't going to hurt yourself if: --You limit increases in either your longest session in a discipline or total volume in a week in a discipline to no more than ~10%. --You don't fail to dial back your volume in each discipline every fourth week (more or less) for recovery. --Allow yourself a taper period before the race to consolidate your training adaptations. I really believe in three basic targets in training for a new race distance (or for a first time in a race): --Build your longest session in any given discipline to at least ~80% of the distance you'll be racing (for anything other than a marathon, I'd actually recommend going beyond that). --Build to where your minimum weekly volume in any given distance is equivalent to what you'll be racing. --Accomplish the above by taper deadline. E.g., if you are training for your first half marathon, I'd suggest building to where you are running at least 13 miles a week AND have done at least one run of 10.5 or more miles. (Obviously, in a week where you do a 10+ mile training run, your total run volume will be more than 13 miles...at that point, 13 miles in a week would be a minimum volume in a recovery week.) For an Ironman, your body should...IMO...be adapted to regular minimum training loads of at least 140.6 miles a week (less no more than 10% or 125 miles) and your longest sessions should be at least 3200 yds swim, 90 miles bike, and (really no more than) 20 miles run. Others will say you don't need more than 16 miles or so on the run for IM training...but I'd have a look at the results and the history of those who say that. Some have done standalone marathons in the past and others...well, others are going into the IM expecting to walk some or all of the marathon. Again, that's just my approach and it is not built on any scientific principles, just personal experience, common sense...and a smidgen of research. YMMV... Edited by tcovert 2009-01-23 6:09 PM |
| 2009-01-23 6:11 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL And...finally... Good luck in your race this weekend, Lynn! You'll do great! |
| 2009-01-23 6:12 PM in reply to: #1926136 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL tcovert - 2009-01-23 4:04 PM Again, that's just my approach and it is not built on any scientific principles, just personal experience, common sense...and a smidgen of research. YMMV... Actually, re-reading it, I guess I should say that there are...in fact...some scientific (i.e., periodization) principles in there, despite my disclaimer... |
| 2009-01-23 6:20 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL |
| 2009-01-23 7:57 PM in reply to: #1856528 |
Veteran 123 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL ok, thanks much for all the training plan feedback. I will play around with it a bit and see what my body says. The first sprint in my area takes place in early May which is actually cutting the 16 week training plan by a week or so but I think I'm in good enough shape today to add a bit of intensity to each routine and be up to speed for the event. Am I crazy to think this or is it just that I have no experience in these events so really don't have a clue what to expect???
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| 2009-01-23 8:27 PM in reply to: #1926162 |
Master 1790 | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Poster Nutbag - 2009-01-23 7:20 PM Todd, You should go on Jeopardy.
failed to phrase it in a question (seriously, that is one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. I'm going to have to print it out and put it in my training diary.) |
| 2009-01-23 9:29 PM in reply to: #1926263 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL oshunluvah - 2009-01-23 5:57 PM ok, thanks much for all the training plan feedback. I will play around with it a bit and see what my body says. The first sprint in my area takes place in early May which is actually cutting the 16 week training plan by a week or so but I think I'm in good enough shape today to add a bit of intensity to each routine and be up to speed for the event. Am I crazy to think this or is it just that I have no experience in these events so really don't have a clue what to expect???
You'll be absolutely fine. Looking at your logs, you are ready for the run and appear to be for the bike for that May tri. And probably the swim...though that's harder to assess because you don't have distances for your swim workouts. As long as you feel okay to handle a 1/4 mile open water swim, I think you'll find it no problem. |
| 2009-01-23 9:33 PM in reply to: #1926136 |
Extreme Veteran 1700 Normal, Ill. | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL tcovert - 2009-01-23 6:04 PM For an Ironman, your body should...IMO...be adapted to regular minimum training loads of at least 140.6 miles a week (less no more than 10% or 125 miles) and your longest sessions should be at least 3200 yds swim, 90 miles bike, and (really no more than) 20 miles run. Others will say you don't need more than 16 miles or so on the run for IM training...but I'd have a look at the results and the history of those who say that. Some have done standalone marathons in the past and others...well, others are going into the IM expecting to walk some or all of the marathon. Again, that's just my approach and it is not built on any scientific principles, just personal experience, common sense...and a smidgen of research. YMMV... - How often should you be doing the 140 mile week for an IM? Are you shooting to peak there just once before the taper period before the race or is that a normal week. (If so, I'm buying a gun. It will be quicker than killing myself the other way.) - Terri Schneider told me she has lots of folks she trains who are advised to take an ultra marathon approach to the marathon run in the IM. 10 minutes run, 2 minutes walk from the start. Don't run and run until you are toast to start it. That's for people like me who plan to try to finish rather than win the age group. I have a long way to go before I consider such a thing and maybe I'll be able to run the distance, who knows? But I will tell you that knowing that approach is one many people use, I feel better. - Also, I just had a cycling coach call me at the office and offer to help guide my training for cycling and work in the others, swimming and running. - I also got a great deal on SRAM Rival for the bike build. Saved me 40 percent on parts. A good day. Good luck on the run this weekend, way to go on signing up for a sprint! We are going to rock this year!
Edited by IceManScott 2009-01-23 9:37 PM |
| 2009-01-24 12:40 AM in reply to: #1856528 |
Extreme Veteran 638 Carlsbad, CA | Subject: RE: tcovert's Winter 2009 Mentor Group - FULL Scott, With the SRAM buy, does that mean you're not flying out to Cali to buy a tri bike? I've got a table waiting at Vigilucci's for lunch when you're here
Good luck in your race, Lynn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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