Beer Drinker Appreciation/Accountability Society 3 - Closed (Page 20)

Originally posted by Burd You all want a quick laugh and to smile when it gets tough? See my earlier post about the run trouble then continue to read. So I go for a nice stroll on the bike after feeling down about the run problem and what happens? A flat tire. As I'm changing it my nose starts to bleed. Needless to say I packed it up and rode home and didn't finish my ride. I still have swim tonight to save my day. What could possible go wrong there? Keep on keeping on BDAAS!

Originally posted by MOlsen

I won't speculate what could go wrong with a swim, instead say you deserve a beer after a day like today!

Due to a lunch meeting I was only ably to get 500m in the pool today, not sure if that deserves a beer... I did get my copy of "Swim Speed Secrets" and the workout cards. I plan on reading the book over the weekend and starting the first workout on Monday.

Originally posted by MSURDYKE

Around here in the spring it's not uncommon for the indoor pool to close because of the weather..... I've never really understood why they close the pool and nothing else for lightening but it happens..... I've made the point to them that they should really shut down the showers and all of the cardio machines that are plugged in because you're as likely to get struck there as the pool... They don't seem to care.... Anyway, good luck with the swim and pray for now lightening.

Originally posted by Burd

It's been a month and I give up on running. I still see the PT on Friday but I'm starting to get a bit more than pissed. Darren I remember last year when you were going through that dark time with your injury and at the time couldn't fully appreciate where you were at. Well I do now. I lost 5 months last year to the right knee and now lord knows how long I will lose to the left one. I can't even do a run walk without being in pain. It's coming from my ITB location on the outside of the knee, Gerdy's Tubricle, and outside of my patellar tendon. Kinda a whole big mess in there. Not sure if it's a tight thing or muscle imbalance but what ever it is I'm sick of it. I can swim and cycle fine so I'll continue with that and screw running. Unless my PT has some super miracle news, which I don't see happening, I am tossing in the towel on a 1 hour sprint. I will spend '14 with my new found love of cycling. No impact and good for the body. If I can complete in a sprint in the second half to end of the season so be it and if not I'm fine with that as well but I'm not even concerned with my times. As it sits for now I'm not signing up for anything that involves running more than 10 feet.

As weird as this sounds I'm actually OK with this. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I know today was supposed to be a run/swim day but I'm going on my bike for a leisurely stroll to get some stress out before going to swim tonight. Peace out

Originally posted by Burd

2600 tonight in the pool. Managed to pop out quite a few 100s under the 2 min mark. Guess I'm finally starting to speed up. Next goal is under 1:50. After todays chain of events I feel much better after a hard swim. Heck even my CD of 200 was at 2:13. Far cry from my 2:45+ pace. We had someone toss their cookies after swim. That's how you know it's a tough swim when someone throws up

Originally posted by BigDH



Thanks Dave, you are far too kind.

Sorry for the late reply I have wrote this a number of times but it keeps coming out as more about me than you.

Deep breath.

People who finish 14+ hour IM do not "run" the marathon. You cannot train to "run" a marathon in 8 months. It is impossible. Certainly you can complete a marathon but you will not be "running". What is running? Running is more than going as fast as you can over a specific distance, it is doing it well. I doubt you will run even one mile of the marathon even if you were in good health now and prepared to train. Not even one. Not even 100 meters.

You seem to think that this would be failure. That this would be throwing in the towel. That this would make you a quitter. Well it doesn't and it won't. And it won't mean you don't love running and it won't mean you aren't a good runner.

You also clearly are under the delusion that running now will somehow greatly increase your potential for a good time at the IM. It won't. You are too slow and to broken. The fitness gains made in 8 months, although significant, will not be anywhere near what is required to "run" a marathon. The things that need to happen to your body will take a very long time.

What concerns me most is that your aerobic engine developed through swimming and biking will push you too hard on the run. That is bad enough if you aren't injured. With an injury the possibilities for further injury are multiplied.

Ok. Fine. Obviously if you are better at running you will have more fun during the marathon. It will be less painful, even if you are incapable of running. The training you do running will help you with the walking. Ideally, if you truly can run without an increase in pain I would really try to move it to 5 days a week. I told you that in September and I tell you that now. That is the safest way to go about it. Like Charles says, get a footpod. If you really want to give the faster cadence a try then stop running when you can't hit 180 steps a minute. And rest. Then start again. You are training a new form and you cannot allow the old form to take over at any time. So 5 days a week. Run as much as you can that allows you to run the next day. Don't run hard. Don't run long. Well maybe run long. Ha, when I was training for the IM I had these epic (at least at the time I thought they were epic) 3 hour long run/walks. But only go as long as you can so that you don't jeopardize your next run. You have the aerobic engine, you need to train the legs. And while the legs will benefit from 2+ hour runs, they will benefit more from running more often.

Anything else is a bad idea. An hour run 3 times a week, a bad idea. A 20 min run 5 times a week, a far better idea. Frankly, if you need a day to recover after running then you shouldn't be running. You should be going slower. Or less time. Under no circumstances are you to run through an increase in pain. And be honest about that. Be brutally honest. Be very very honest. If it hurts more stop. Stretch. Bike. Swim. Lift. Stretch some more. If you can only run once or twice or three times a week, fine. But don't run to the point where you couldn't run the next day if you had to. I see such a small benefit to running hard for you.

To change your gait you would probably benefit by trying to move to a midfoot or forfoot strike. Look at some lower drop shoes. They tend to have less cushioning. This is very dangerous and the forums are full of horror stories of people who tried to do this. I did it successfully, but I was very patient. Go slow and easy. One heel strike in low drop shoes could really spell disaster.

I am just so worried about you Dave. I think you have a very good chance at having a very good time at the IM. Pushing this running thing may jeopardize it all. You have made promises in the past to work smart. I can't remember what caused you to stall all those times although I seem to remember you started running faster and got greedy.
So you know, I managed a 14:24 IM with embarrassingly low run training at a fairly high bmi. Almost all of my runs were run/walks and in the 7 min a km range. I jogged a bit at the marathon, walked most of it, finished it in 6 hours and had a great time. I did spend a great amount of time on my bike.You have two goals, to finish the IM and become a better runner. Recognize that they may have very little to do with each other

Originally posted by BigDH



Thanks Dave, you are far too kind.

Sorry for the late reply I have wrote this a number of times but it keeps coming out as more about me than you.

Deep breath.

People who finish 14+ hour IM do not "run" the marathon. You cannot train to "run" a marathon in 8 months. It is impossible. Certainly you can complete a marathon but you will not be "running". What is running? Running is more than going as fast as you can over a specific distance, it is doing it well. I doubt you will run even one mile of the marathon even if you were in good health now and prepared to train. Not even one. Not even 100 meters.

You seem to think that this would be failure. That this would be throwing in the towel. That this would make you a quitter. Well it doesn't and it won't. And it won't mean you don't love running and it won't mean you aren't a good runner.

You also clearly are under the delusion that running now will somehow greatly increase your potential for a good time at the IM. It won't. You are too slow and to broken. The fitness gains made in 8 months, although significant, will not be anywhere near what is required to "run" a marathon. The things that need to happen to your body will take a very long time.

What concerns me most is that your aerobic engine developed through swimming and biking will push you too hard on the run. That is bad enough if you aren't injured. With an injury the possibilities for further injury are multiplied.

Ok. Fine. Obviously if you are better at running you will have more fun during the marathon. It will be less painful, even if you are incapable of running. The training you do running will help you with the walking. Ideally, if you truly can run without an increase in pain I would really try to move it to 5 days a week. I told you that in September and I tell you that now. That is the safest way to go about it. Like Charles says, get a footpod. If you really want to give the faster cadence a try then stop running when you can't hit 180 steps a minute. And rest. Then start again. You are training a new form and you cannot allow the old form to take over at any time. So 5 days a week. Run as much as you can that allows you to run the next day. Don't run hard. Don't run long. Well maybe run long. Ha, when I was training for the IM I had these epic (at least at the time I thought they were epic) 3 hour long run/walks. But only go as long as you can so that you don't jeopardize your next run. You have the aerobic engine, you need to train the legs. And while the legs will benefit from 2+ hour runs, they will benefit more from running more often.

Anything else is a bad idea. An hour run 3 times a week, a bad idea. A 20 min run 5 times a week, a far better idea. Frankly, if you need a day to recover after running then you shouldn't be running. You should be going slower. Or less time. Under no circumstances are you to run through an increase in pain. And be honest about that. Be brutally honest. Be very very honest. If it hurts more stop. Stretch. Bike. Swim. Lift. Stretch some more. If you can only run once or twice or three times a week, fine. But don't run to the point where you couldn't run the next day if you had to. I see such a small benefit to running hard for you.

To change your gait you would probably benefit by trying to move to a midfoot or forfoot strike. Look at some lower drop shoes. They tend to have less cushioning. This is very dangerous and the forums are full of horror stories of people who tried to do this. I did it successfully, but I was very patient. Go slow and easy. One heel strike in low drop shoes could really spell disaster.

I am just so worried about you Dave. I think you have a very good chance at having a very good time at the IM. Pushing this running thing may jeopardize it all. You have made promises in the past to work smart. I can't remember what caused you to stall all those times although I seem to remember you started running faster and got greedy.

So you know, I managed a 14:24 IM with embarrassingly low run training at a fairly high bmi. Almost all of my runs were run/walks and in the 7 min a km range. I jogged a bit at the marathon, walked most of it, finished it in 6 hours and had a great time. I did spend a great amount of time on my bike.

You have two goals, to finish the IM and become a better runner. Recognize that they may have very little to do with each other.

Originally posted by Burd

2600 tonight in the pool. Managed to pop out quite a few 100s under the 2 min mark. Guess I'm finally starting to speed up. Next goal is under 1:50. After todays chain of events I feel much better after a hard swim. Heck even my CD of 200 was at 2:13. Far cry from my 2:45+ pace. We had someone toss their cookies after swim. That's how you know it's a tough swim when someone throws up

Originally posted by drfoodlove

Alex--glad to hear you didn't drown or get eaten by a shark! Way to persevere and get it done!!

I'm 12/31 after this morning's run at the indoor track. Ugh--is there anything worse than running around a tiny oval for 40 minutes? I guess doing it for an hour, or more! Anyway, does anyone know if the 7lap=1mile distance is based on the inside lane or the outside lane? I ran in the outside lane--it is the turtle lane. Just wondering if the distance could be a little off, because my mile time seemed slow. There aren't any starting marks to show staggered starts, so I can't even guess based on those.

Tonight is a 40min isolated leg session on the trainer, so that will put me at 13/31 by the end of the day.

Hope everyone is getting in good workouts!

Originally posted by Qua17 Alex - you are a trooper. Most people probably would have thrown in the towel by now but you still managed to find a way to salvage your day! 2600 in the poop is a fantastic accomplishment in its own right and even more impressive when you compare it to where you were last January. While it completely blows that your legs are giving you trouble - sub 2:00s prove that your arms are getting stronger. Plus - you weren't the one who blew chunks after the swim. Way to represent!

Originally posted by Qua17 Gretchen - you are crushing it! First making it happen in the pool and now doing indoor track workouts - you are gonna be ready to go once race season gets here. The distance depends. I'm not sure where you are running - but at a regulation outdoor track - the distance is measured from the inside lane. If you are working out at a club - the distances won't be percise. That's why I always try to run for time when I am running inside because it can be so hard to gauge the distance. Also have to say - it's possible to have a lot of fun running indoors. When I was in high school - I used to run indoors and really enjoyed the change of location. Running in a smaller loop always seemed more manageable to me than completing 400 yards and I always felt like I was showing off when I was out there with some of the slower people and I would just blow by them (I'm a BOPer - so feeling fast was rare). You've got a few more months inside - if you can find something to like about running indoors - it will make that time go that much faster.

Originally posted by thor67

x3. Make the penalty beer a PBR...Sorry Jeff, I couldn't resist.

Originally posted by ripariangal
I am looking at heart rate monitors - mine died after 10 years of faithful service RIP. I am not looking to spean more then maybe $150 - any suggestions?

Originally posted by mirthfuldragon



Honestly, spend more and buy a Garmin 910xt. Everything else is a compromise. Between my wife and I, we had two FR60s and two Edge 500's, and all were sold after we bought the 910xt. It does everything, and mine has worked pretty much flawlessly.

Originally posted by Burd

I get a chuckle out of some triathlon articles. I just read one about the new P2 how it's completely redesigned after 7 years which is real cool. The funny part is how they call it an "entry level" tri bike at $2800. Holy crap that's a ton of cash. My idea of entry level full carbon is the Kestrel Talon at $1350 or the many true entry level bikes that are under $2000. I know this is an expensive sport but when did $2800 become entry level?

Originally posted by Qua17

So today is Thursday and it's time to check in about our weekly goals. Be sure to post sometime today or tomorrow bringing everyone up to speed on what you have done so far this week and what you'll do between now and sunday to make sure you accomplish the goals you have set for yourself. Not meeting a goal doesn't necessarily mean a Coors Light penalty - but giving up does. Make it happen!