Ironman Lake Placid : Official Thread (Page 22)
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![]() tasr - 2012-01-17 9:50 AM Tdotnew2tri - 2012-01-178:22 AM 53/39t standard is that what your looking for. I can only base it on my half ironman with some ride complications. I rode with the average of 24km/hr in muskoka half ironman. I think muskoka was a great definition for.rolling.
Another slightly cheaper option is change out you chain rings to a 52/38 run the same crank and get a 12-27 cassette. IMOdo this as soon as you can so you can train with this gearing.
X2. This is something you want to do ASAP. Well, at least before your Sprintime Long Rides - which will be here before we know it. Mooseman is around 4200 feet of climbing for the 1-loop and although Lake Placid is approximately 3300 per loop; on the second loop the hills seem much steeper and longer. Unless you are a giffted/elite/superb cyclist (95% of us ARE NOT - myself included!!) you want a MINIMUM of 27 teeth on that back cassette. A minimum. If you are NOT a strong hill climber you should also strongly consider a compact crank. Of all the banter and baloney that will be talked about in this thread (what running shoes, what bike shoes, what tires, race wheels, nutrition, race apparel, hotels to stay in, wetsuit - sleeveless or sleeved, what to pack in transition bags, what to pack in special needs bags, weather reports, lake temperature, where to line up in the swim, run & bike course profiles and strategies, blah blah blah blah) I'm going to say of all the things we can control and pick to use, BIKE GEARING will be the most important. (Training and Race Day Nutrition is at the top of the list, too). But if you go into this race with a stock 25 cassette and you have not properly trained on Long Rides of similar hill terrain to Lake Placid, you will get crushed on the Bike and it'll be a long, slow, painful marathon, and nothing else will matter. No matter how many training hours you logged over the past six months, or how well-planned your Race Day nutrition is; none of it will matter cause your legs will be toast. 80% of the 140.6 miles is covered on the BIKE. I've made this mistake early in my triathlon career on the Harryman bike course. I rode the course with a stock 12-25 and on the steepest climb I got crushed.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll definately be using my 11-27 cassett. To be honest, I'm not sure if my crank is compact or standard. I guess I'll have to figure that out and consider a compact crank if mine is standard. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I picked me up a Scram 11-28 and i ride a 53-39 up front |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dream Chaser - 2012-01-17 10:23 AM
X2. This is something you want to do ASAP. Well, at least before your Sprintime Long Rides - which will be here before we know it. Mooseman is around 4200 feet of climbing for the 1-loop and although Lake Placid is approximately 3300 per loop; on the second loop the hills seem much steeper and longer. Unless you are a giffted/elite/superb cyclist (95% of us ARE NOT - myself included!!) you want a MINIMUM of 27 teeth on that back cassette. A minimum. If you are NOT a strong hill climber you should also strongly consider a compact crank. Of all the banter and baloney that will be talked about in this thread (what running shoes, what bike shoes, what tires, race wheels, nutrition, race apparel, hotels to stay in, wetsuit - sleeveless or sleeved, what to pack in transition bags, what to pack in special needs bags, weather reports, lake temperature, where to line up in the swim, run & bike course profiles and strategies, blah blah blah blah) I'm going to say of all the things we can control and pick to use, BIKE GEARING will be the most important. (Training and Race Day Nutrition is at the top of the list, too). But if you go into this race with a stock 25 cassette and you have not properly trained on Long Rides of similar hill terrain to Lake Placid, you will get crushed on the Bike and it'll be a long, slow, painful marathon, and nothing else will matter. No matter how many training hours you logged over the past six months, or how well-planned your Race Day nutrition is; none of it will matter cause your legs will be toast. 80% of the 140.6 miles is covered on the BIKE. I've made this mistake early in my triathlon career on the Harryman bike course. I rode the course with a stock 12-25 and on the steepest climb I got crushed.
...properly trained on Long Rides... I think this sums it up Bobby.... Very good reply.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Awesome guys. Thanks for your help!!!So Amazon has this which I think is a very nice price?It's sram 1070 11-28. One tiger than recommended. Should I get it ? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0026YHS8K/ref=aw_d_var_2nd_sporting-... |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If I buy a new cassette do I need to buy a new chain? Right now It's running well with 11-26 cassette. It won't snap if i go 11-27 or 11-28?Thank u! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tdotnew2tri - 2012-01-17 12:01 PMIf I buy a new cassette do I need to buy a new chain? Right now It's running well with 11-26 cassette. It won't snap if i go 11-27 or 11-28?Thank u! That should be 12-27. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Cassette/crankset questions: All this talk has gotten me thinking... My current set-up is a 50x34 chainrings with a rear 12-25 cassette. It seems most are recommending 12-27, correct? Would I have to change my crankset too? I usually do not worry about this as I live in flatlandia.... We did bike one loop the IMLP course on our road bikes (which I think is 12-25 as well); felt okay, but I know my tri bike is not going to climb near as well as my road. Thanks for all the help! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tasr - 2012-01-16 12:39 PM TankBoy - 2012-01-16 8:23 AMJenn - did you find your goggles? If so, have fun at the pool! After she finds her goggles then she has to find the pool.hahahahaha. well played, james! and to the rest of you, ya ya i'm here. i refuse to say i'm back b/c let's get real, who knows. i'm gonna swim with fred so i'll have proof. plus it will help his ego b/c right now he'll be faster than me. :P |
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![]() asock325 - 2012-01-17 1:40 PM Cassette/crankset questions: All this talk has gotten me thinking... My current set-up is a 50x34 chainrings with a rear 12-25 cassette. It seems most are recommending 12-27, correct? Would I have to change my crankset too? I usually do not worry about this as I live in flatlandia.... We did bike one loop the IMLP course on our road bikes (which I think is 12-25 as well); felt okay, but I know my tri bike is not going to climb near as well as my road. Thanks for all the help! I think you'll be very thankful on the 2nd loop if you invest in a 27 cassette. And your run will likely benefit from it, too. None of the climbs at Lake Placid are super-steep or exceptionally challenging. IMO, over the 56 miles there are three distinct sections of moderately challenging climbs. The first loop is not the problem; it's the second loop where they begin to wear on you and grind you down. I used my 27 casette to just spin up these three sections during the first loop, and it allowed me to ride them strong during the second loop. |
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![]() Tdotnew2tri - 2012-01-17 1:01 PM If I buy a new cassette do I need to buy a new chain? Right now It's running well with 11-26 cassette. It won't snap if i go 11-27 or 11-28?Thank u! How long have you had your current chain - how many miles? I've been told to change my chain roughly every 3,000 miles. I've changed casettes and used the same chain and it wasn't too much of an issue. I did experience some jumping around when changing gears, and my derailleur definitely had to be adjusted. A bike wrench explained it to me that a chain 'marry's' with a cassette; meaning, they become compatible after many many miles. If you have a newer chain perhaps it hasn't fully married with your current cassette; if you have close to 3K miles might as well get a new one. |
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![]() gopennstate - 2012-01-17 2:14 PM tasr - 2012-01-16 12:39 PM TankBoy - 2012-01-16 8:23 AMJenn - did you find your goggles? If so, have fun at the pool! After she finds her goggles then she has to find the pool.hahahahaha. well played, james! and to the rest of you, ya ya i'm here. i refuse to say i'm back b/c let's get real, who knows. i'm gonna swim with fred so i'll have proof. plus it will help his ego b/c right now he'll be faster than me. :P I Love you JeNNy. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dream Chaser - 2012-01-17 2:16 PM I called the bike store where I purchased my cassette and they change it to 11-28. I decided on that one it wouldn't hurt to have a bail out gear.in the second loop!!I don't believe they are more than 2k miles but hopefully they will "marry" soon. Thanks a lot for your info and help guys!Tdotnew2tri - 2012-01-17 1:01 PM If I buy a new cassette do I need to buy a new chain? Right now It's running well with 11-26 cassette. It won't snap if i go 11-27 or 11-28?Thank u! How long have you had your current chain - how many miles? I've been told to change my chain roughly every 3,000 miles. I've changed casettes and used the same chain and it wasn't too much of an issue. I did experience some jumping around when changing gears, and my derailleur definitely had to be adjusted. A bike wrench explained it to me that a chain 'marry's' with a cassette; meaning, they become compatible after many many miles. If you have a newer chain perhaps it hasn't fully married with your current cassette; if you have close to 3K miles might as well get a new one. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm running Sram apex 11-28 with compact 50-34. Was thinking of upgrading to Sram Red when I need replacement in the next couple of months. Will I really notice a difference? |
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![]() SEADOCHA - 2012-01-17 4:15 PM I'm running Sram apex 11-28 with compact 50-34. Was thinking of upgrading to Sram Red when I need replacement in the next couple of months. Will I really notice a difference? SRAM red!! Are you kidding me! I'm guessing you'll see a minimum of a full 1 MPH of speed, maybe 2!! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-17 3:58 PM Almost wish I was doing lp this year as a lot of the old gang seems to be active here. Oh well ![]() ![]() We wish you were too! Come up anyway! I'm doing Jorge's camp the 2nd or 3rd week in June I think if you feel like coming up to train then too. I'm thinking about renting a house or condo this year so that friends who are not racing have the option to come. Speaking of which, does anyone have a Realtor or Rental Agency they recommend? |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gopennstate - 2012-01-17 7:02 PM Fred D - 2012-01-17 3:58 PM Almost wish I was doing lp this year as a lot of the old gang seems to be active here. Oh well ![]() ![]() We wish you were too! Come up anyway! I'm doing Jorge's camp the 2nd or 3rd week in June I think if you feel like coming up to train then too. I'm thinking about renting a house or condo this year so that friends who are not racing have the option to come. Speaking of which, does anyone have a Realtor or Rental Agency they recommend? im renting from adkview.com try that they have nice houses but not really in placid mine is down in keene |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Two things from me:1) I didn't run this weekend but xc skied 12k and now the inside of my thighs are flipping killing me. Also got a few blisters for the effort. This is what happens when you overdue your first ski of the season. 2) I found the most liberating training tool ever. For 2 years now I've been swimming laps in the winter and forgetting which lap I was on. I never wanted one of those really expensive devices that can tell when you flip and such so I struggled - until now. I have found a finger lap counter that cost $25 on Amazon. http://www.sportcount.com/.I'm free to lose my count anytime without doing a make up lap! I'm free, I'm free! It's wonderful! Most of you have probably already have one but I thought I'd share my joy. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Major BC - 2012-01-17 8:11 PM Two things from me:1) I didn't run this weekend but xc skied 12k and now the inside of my thighs are flipping killing me. Also got a few blisters for the effort. This is what happens when you overdue your first ski of the season. 2) I found the most liberating training tool ever. For 2 years now I've been swimming laps in the winter and forgetting which lap I was on. I never wanted one of those really expensive devices that can tell when you flip and such so I struggled - until now. I have found a finger lap counter that cost $25 on Amazon. http://www.sportcount.com/.I'm free to lose my count anytime without doing a make up lap! I'm free, I'm free! It's wonderful! Most of you have probably already have one but I thought I'd share my joy. I just bought this on thursday and used it on friday! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tdotnew2tri - 2012-01-171:01 PM
If I buy a new cassette do I need to buy a new chain? Right now It's running well with 11-26 cassette. It won't snap if i go 11-27 or 11-28?Thank u!
Any questions please ask!
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![]() Major BC - 2) I found the most liberating training tool ever. For 2 years now I've been swimming laps in the winter and forgetting which lap I was on. I never wanted one of those really expensive devices that can tell when you flip and such so I struggled - until now. I have found a finger lap counter that cost $25 on Amazon. http://www.sportcount.com/.I'm free to lose my count anytime without doing a make up lap! I'm free, I'm free! It's wonderful! Most of you have probably already have one but I thought I'd share my joy. Santa brought me this wonderful training tool back in Christmas of 2008. I've used it for every single pool swim since and it has performed amazingly well, and I am still yet to change the battery. I have the red one and it has paid for itself many times over. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OHHHH sweet, I was just looking for a lap counter...can't wait to order mine tonight, along with my new inspire yurbuds! What else can I buy???hahaha |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() MY lap counter 1 1 1 1 1 1, 2 2 2 2 2 2, 3 3 3 3 3 3, 4 4 4 . . OH S*%#, 3 3 3 3 3 3, 4 4 4 4 4 4 what do you expect one to many blows to the head.
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SEADOCHA - 2012-01-18 9:54 AM OHHHH sweet, I was just looking for a lap counter...can't wait to order mine tonight, along with my new inspire yurbuds! What else can I buy???hahaha I used the speedo version for lots of years until it finally gave up the ghost. Now I just don't do very many sets that require a lot of counting, but when I do I use a Finis Swimsense. The only problem with the Swimsense is it makes it impossible to lie to my coach. That, and it does not recognize my butterfly as such. But that is kinda ok, because no one else at the pool does either. |
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