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2013-09-24 3:23 PM
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yeah, this is getting old! gee, I have to go to the pool AGAIN in the cold and dark and follow that up with another 80 mile ride alone to the middle of nowhere. and my family is giving me more crap than ever because I haven't had breakfast with them in 2 months. how fun! .

but these are the key workouts...don't stop now! we are so very close! the reward is coming.

One thing I've done to break up some of the monotony is schedule a few races. a did a full distance aquavelo on Saturday and a half-iron a couple weeks ago and used them as race rehearsal's and a chance to swim/bike/run with other humans. otherwise I would have gone crazy!

Now we just need to grind it out for a few more weeks until the sweet, sweet, taper arrives. then we can walk around the house breaking stuff and blame it on "taper madness"!


2013-09-24 4:08 PM
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Originally posted by CarlG Yeah!! Im ready for the taper. During this peak phase I feel like Im being beat up every weekend. My lower back is stiff and achey. I did a 95mile Bike on Sat with an 1hr brick. Did a 15 mile long run Monday. Im really feeling it today, and quite frankly, I just want to quit/and give up. It is really hard for me to find any motivation at all right now. I have a 3500 yd swim today and all I want to do is go home and watch TV. But I have to get it done..... Who else feels this way????? . Need Inspiration STAT!!! Carl.

Wow!  Exactly what I was thinking this morning.  This week and next week are the huge ones, then taper starts.  Just have to make it through these two.

I sometimes go and look at these for inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8ae4TfwrE       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1yMnrby3w&feature=related&hl=en-GB&gl=GB   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokseUskyDI 

There's lots of good stuff on you tube.  You can waste hours there.

I also try to stay in the moment when I'm running or biking and know that I'm out running and biking because I love being out there.  That does not help me get out of bed though. 

I encourage you to listen to your body and don't overdo at this point.  Not much time to recover from an injury at this point.  Only 6 weeks out!

2013-09-24 7:46 PM
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It will depend primarily on which wheels you are running them on. I run a wider tire on my Super 9 because it has such a wide rim. Plus it makes the ride a little softer. I put a 23mm up front.


I also have a Zipp Super 9, so a 25 on the disk and a 23 on the front (404) for me. Thanks for the info, I think I'll run with that setup
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2013-09-25 7:38 AM
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As Jashac said, "Listen to your body and don't overdo it at this point." That's a biggie.

My legs are ridiculously tight right now (probably because my stretching is pretty much non-exixtent), so during some of my runs, where I'm supposed to increase the intensity for say 20 minutes, I back off and stay in my Zone 2 so that I'm not increasing my risk for injury. I've made it this far!! ;-) Youtube videos are great motivation and do help. Keep it up!
2013-09-25 9:41 AM
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Thanks for bringing up the YouTube links. I hadn't even thought about using YT videos for some inspiration.

After a very long summer of ridiculously hot & miserable South FL training, I'm also to the point where I want off this train... like yesterday! This will be my first IM and the experience has been humbling, eye opening and a definite challenge in terms of balancing training with life.

As tired as I currently feel most of the time, I still look at the key workouts for each week with excited anticipation. It's as if each were a golden carrot dangling before me, begging me to rise to the occasion. Most of the time I am able to grab the carrot, but sometimes it's just out of my reach. Try, try again.

Coach told me yesterday that I am earning my taper... those words were music to my ears! Fo' sure!

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2013-09-25 11:05 AM
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So I'm starting to have real concerns about my wetsuit for IMFL. I am a strong swimmer and have always felt very comfortable in water. However, during the two races I've done in a wetsuit, I really struggled. In both I had serious issues with the chest constriction and had a hard time getting rid of the feeling that I couldn't get enough air. The first race (an Oly) I wore a long-sleeved suit and also felt more weighted down than normal and that it took so much more energy to move my arms. During that race I had to stop at a kayak about 5 mins in because I started to panic. The second race (a 70.3 last weekend) I wore a sleeveless suit and had the same panicky feeling of not getting enough air, but didn't let myself stop and modified my breathing to every other stroke vs every 3rd like I normally do, and eventually it got better but it took a good half of the swim to get to that point, which really affected my overall swim time. I had practiced in the wetsuits prior to the races (not as much as I would've liked, but a couple times) and didn't have any problems, so I don't know if it's related to the adrenaline or something like that. But the two races I did without a wetsuit I didn't have any problems panicking. I do have a strong kick, and I've read that strong kickers have less benefit from a wetsuit than strong pullers. I've been planning on wearing the long-sleeved wetsuit in FL, but now I'm starting to worry that it will be more of a hindrance than a help. I haven't gotten much more time to practice in it yet, but the next several weeks I should be able to get multiple swims in with it. I would go without it no question, but I've heard jellyfish are a big problem in FL. So my question for those "in the know" is: Really, how bad are the jellyfish in FL? Would the risk of jellyfish stings make it a really bad idea to forgo the wetsuit? I worry that if I do go without and end up with multiple stings that it will make the rest of the race miserable, and I know it's already going to be a hard day!


2013-09-25 12:39 PM
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So I'm starting to have real concerns about my wetsuit for IMFL. I am a strong swimmer and have always felt very comfortable in water. However, during the two races I've done in a wetsuit, I really struggled. In both I had serious issues with the chest constriction and had a hard time getting rid of the feeling that I couldn't get enough air. The first race (an Oly) I wore a long-sleeved suit and also felt more weighted down than normal and that it took so much more energy to move my arms. During that race I had to stop at a kayak about 5 mins in because I started to panic. The second race (a 70.3 last weekend) I wore a sleeveless suit and had the same panicky feeling of not getting enough air, but didn't let myself stop and modified my breathing to every other stroke vs every 3rd like I normally do, and eventually it got better but it took a good half of the swim to get to that point, which really affected my overall swim time. I had practiced in the wetsuits prior to the races (not as much as I would've liked, but a couple times) and didn't have any problems, so I don't know if it's related to the adrenaline or something like that. But the two races I did without a wetsuit I didn't have any problems panicking. I do have a strong kick, and I've read that strong kickers have less benefit from a wetsuit than strong pullers. I've been planning on wearing the long-sleeved wetsuit in FL, but now I'm starting to worry that it will be more of a hindrance than a help. I haven't gotten much more time to practice in it yet, but the next several weeks I should be able to get multiple swims in with it. I would go without it no question, but I've heard jellyfish are a big problem in FL. So my question for those "in the know" is: Really, how bad are the jellyfish in FL? Would the risk of jellyfish stings make it a really bad idea to forgo the wetsuit? I worry that if I do go without and end up with multiple stings that it will make the rest of the race miserable, and I know it's already going to be a hard day!


no thoughts re whether to wear or not, but wondering where you do your swimming. I was at Lake Whitney couple weeks ago. it was great (in ACK sort of way) as was as choppy as ocean can be and really through off my swimming. could be good to get out there when it is choppy and try the wet suit where you can focus on the mental side of the wet suit - ie the self talk in the head that convinces you a wet suit is a good idea, rather than focusing on racing.
2013-09-25 12:58 PM
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I was there last weekend. It rained all weekend with strong winds out of the northeast. I know that means nothing for race day, but here is some other information I got while there...

2011 wind speeds 7mph (NE)
2010 8mph (North)
2009 5mph (East)
2008 2mph (SE)
2007 3mph (NW)

2013-09-25 1:32 PM
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Originally posted by jec03 ... had a hard time getting rid of the feeling that I couldn't get enough air.

 

I've had that.  It helps to belly breath, then you are not pushing the wetsuit with your chest.  Try it next time you practice, see if it helps.

I anticipate being in the water just over an hour.  The last three times, I've gotten out with fingers numb from cold water.  Even though the water is in the 70's it's still chilly, and can be down right cold near the shore.

2013-09-25 1:35 PM
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Originally posted by shellabree ... As tired as I currently feel most of the time, I still look at the key workouts for each week with excited anticipation.    T minus 38 days!

Isn't it GREAT? 

2013-09-25 3:22 PM
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Originally posted by jec03 So I'm starting to have real concerns about my wetsuit for IMFL. I am a strong swimmer and have always felt very comfortable in water. However, during the two races I've done in a wetsuit, I really struggled. In both I had serious issues with the chest constriction and had a hard time getting rid of the feeling that I couldn't get enough air. The first race (an Oly) I wore a long-sleeved suit and also felt more weighted down than normal and that it took so much more energy to move my arms. During that race I had to stop at a kayak about 5 mins in because I started to panic. The second race (a 70.3 last weekend) I wore a sleeveless suit and had the same panicky feeling of not getting enough air, but didn't let myself stop and modified my breathing to every other stroke vs every 3rd like I normally do, and eventually it got better but it took a good half of the swim to get to that point, which really affected my overall swim time. I had practiced in the wetsuits prior to the races (not as much as I would've liked, but a couple times) and didn't have any problems, so I don't know if it's related to the adrenaline or something like that. But the two races I did without a wetsuit I didn't have any problems panicking. I do have a strong kick, and I've read that strong kickers have less benefit from a wetsuit than strong pullers. I've been planning on wearing the long-sleeved wetsuit in FL, but now I'm starting to worry that it will be more of a hindrance than a help. I haven't gotten much more time to practice in it yet, but the next several weeks I should be able to get multiple swims in with it. I would go without it no question, but I've heard jellyfish are a big problem in FL. So my question for those "in the know" is: Really, how bad are the jellyfish in FL? Would the risk of jellyfish stings make it a really bad idea to forgo the wetsuit? I worry that if I do go without and end up with multiple stings that it will make the rest of the race miserable, and I know it's already going to be a hard day!

Is the wetsuit too tight?  If sp stuff it with sweatshirts to get it to stretch a little.  Jellyfish are not bad at all, practically nonexistant really.  Check it out and make a decision once you get there



2013-09-25 3:41 PM
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Jellyfish are not bad at all, practically nonexistant really.  Check it out and make a decision once you get there




Glad the question was answered re: the jellyfish. I'm thinking of simply wearing a sleeveless speed suit as I've done for my 70.3. IM FL will be my first full IM, but I kinda wanna just swim freely and do things the old-fashion way...without a full-on wetsuit. No jellyfish is good!

By the way, thanks for the suggestions re: my bike tire question. Conti 4000s seem ideal if I don't splurge for a new wheel set.

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2013-09-25 6:58 PM
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Originally posted by CarlG Yeah!! Im ready for the taper. During this peak phase I feel like Im being beat up every weekend. My lower back is stiff and achey. I did a 95mile Bike on Sat with an 1hr brick. Did a 15 mile long run Monday. Im really feeling it today, and quite frankly, I just want to quit/and give up. It is really hard for me to find any motivation at all right now. I have a 3500 yd swim today and all I want to do is go home and watch TV. But I have to get it done..... Who else feels this way????? . Need Inspiration STAT!!! Carl.

Wow!  Exactly what I was thinking this morning.  This week and next week are the huge ones, then taper starts.  Just have to make it through these two.

I sometimes go and look at these for inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8ae4TfwrE       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1yMnrby3w&feature=related&hl=en-GB&gl=GB   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokseUskyDI 

There's lots of good stuff on you tube.  You can waste hours there.

I also try to stay in the moment when I'm running or biking and know that I'm out running and biking because I love being out there.  That does not help me get out of bed though. 

I encourage you to listen to your body and don't overdo at this point.  Not much time to recover from an injury at this point.  Only 6 weeks out!




Thanks for the you tube suggestions!!!! I got a massage today and Im feeling good again. Getting back on the bike tomorrow for another ride and then a swim...Im not giving up now, thats for sure.
2013-09-26 12:59 PM
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I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?
2013-09-26 1:27 PM
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I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?



Depends on your time goals and your level of comfort with your clothing.

in my first IM, I wore bike shorts under my wetsuit and then for the run I changed into tri shorts and it worked well for me. I never changed my top.

This past weekend, I tried 112 miles in just tri shorts and it was uncomfortable. based on this, I will most likely use bike shorts for IMFL...for me, it's worth the extra 30 secs for the added comfort. But, I can't see changing the top at all...I don't see the benefit for me as I am comfortable in my tri top.

so, it's a personal decision, but whatever you do make sure you practice with it beforehand, keeping in mind that the changing tents can be a cluster of steamy nakedness and chaos!

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Personal decision.  I always bike in tri shorts so no bike shorts for me.  I advise against full wardrobe changes esp for women because getting a sports bra on a wet body esp if you have any boobs at all is extremely difficult even in your house never mind the chaos of the changing tent.  Keep things as simple as possible.  I wear the same thing all day.  I usually put on a long sleeved shirt at some point during the marathon because I am one of those slow late finishers and it gets cold out there once the sun sets.  You are going to be sweaty, grimey wet and in general smelly and icky all day and it doesn't really matter how many times you change.  It is what it is.

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2013-09-26 2:53 PM
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Personal decision.  I always bike in tri shorts so no bike shorts for me.  I advise against full wardrobe changes esp for women because getting a sports bra on a wet body esp if you have any boobs at all is extremely difficult even in your house never mind the chaos of the changing tent.  Keep things as simple as possible.  I wear the same thing all day.  I usually put on a long sleeved shirt at some point during the marathon because I am one of those slow late finishers and it gets cold out there once the sun sets.  You are going to be sweaty, grimey wet and in general smelly and icky all day and it doesn't really matter how many times you change.  It is what it is.


grimey and smelly? nobody told me about this! that just won't due for the pics. is there a place to change and freshen up about 1/2 mile from the finish so we can look good in our pics? :-)
2013-09-26 3:16 PM
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I've struggled with open water in the past and have found that a good warm up helps. Do something (fast swimming if possible or a quick run on the beach) to get your heart rate up and then recover before the start of the race. Do this 10 minutes or so before the pros start - there is a chance to get in the water at IMFL before the start and they will tell you when you have to get out to let the race begin.

Your discovery that every other breath made things better is also correct. You will have some contact in an IM and need to sight and get settled into a clear path at some point. This can make many swimmers anxious, so frequent breathing can alleviate that.

The combination of the wetsuit, your adrenaline, open water, and a couple thousand of your friends swimming with you gets the heart moving. Getting into a clear path and settling in with your stroke will relax you.

Make sure to do the practice swims on Thursday and Friday morning to get a feel for the gulf and getting past the breakers. This REALLY helps to build your confidence.

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2013-09-26 5:57 PM
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Originally posted by TPepper

I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?



Not a veteran, actually a first timer, but remember nothing new on race day. I've ridden my recent centuries in both my cycling bib and tri short to see how I liked both. Didn't mind the tri shorts so I plan on going the whole thing in a tri kit. I agree with it's all a personal preference.
2013-09-26 6:40 PM
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I'm glad these subtle questions are coming out, as I've been thinking the same thoughts, i.e., wet suit or not, tri shorts or bike shorts, etc?

Is the only consideration the fact that the bike shorts have the extra padding where as the tri shorts have next to none?

My intentions were to tough it out in my favorite DeSoto tri shorts, but didn't know how much more comfortable bike shorts would be. I admit with 5 weeks to go, I don't want to ride 4-6 hours in bike shorts just to test them out. One reason is that my tri shorts have compression in them which I find helpful on the bike and the run.

So for those who like tri shorts, why? And for those who prefer bike shorts, why?

Thanks, Loren


Originally posted by rjrankin83

Originally posted by TPepper

I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?



Not a veteran, actually a first timer, but remember nothing new on race day. I've ridden my recent centuries in both my cycling bib and tri short to see how I liked both. Didn't mind the tri shorts so I plan on going the whole thing in a tri kit. I agree with it's all a personal preference.
2013-09-26 7:26 PM
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Originally posted by salasman

I'm glad these subtle questions are coming out, as I've been thinking the same thoughts, i.e., wet suit or not, tri shorts or bike shorts, etc?

Is the only consideration the fact that the bike shorts have the extra padding where as the tri shorts have next to none?

My intentions were to tough it out in my favorite DeSoto tri shorts, but didn't know how much more comfortable bike shorts would be. I admit with 5 weeks to go, I don't want to ride 4-6 hours in bike shorts just to test them out. One reason is that my tri shorts have compression in them which I find helpful on the bike and the run.

So for those who like tri shorts, why? And for those who prefer bike shorts, why?

Thanks, Loren


Originally posted by rjrankin83

Originally posted by TPepper

I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?



Not a veteran, actually a first timer, but remember nothing new on race day. I've ridden my recent centuries in both my cycling bib and tri short to see how I liked both. Didn't mind the tri shorts so I plan on going the whole thing in a tri kit. I agree with it's all a personal preference.


I will be doing my 14th IM in about 15 days followed up by IMFL in about 21 days after that. i stay with tri shorts in all, changing is for some not for me. Trying something new this close to the start line is scary to me. I have a pair of bicycle shorts (bought by accident on line a few years back) tried em once, ok on the bike - not so much after.


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I'm glad these subtle questions are coming out, as I've been thinking the same thoughts, i.e., wet suit or not, tri shorts or bike shorts, etc?

Is the only consideration the fact that the bike shorts have the extra padding where as the tri shorts have next to none?

My intentions were to tough it out in my favorite DeSoto tri shorts, but didn't know how much more comfortable bike shorts would be. I admit with 5 weeks to go, I don't want to ride 4-6 hours in bike shorts just to test them out. One reason is that my tri shorts have compression in them which I find helpful on the bike and the run.

So for those who like tri shorts, why? And for those who prefer bike shorts, why?

Thanks, Loren


Originally posted by rjrankin83

Originally posted by TPepper

I keep going back and forth on something and I'm hoping some of you veteran IM have some advice.

Should I wear a tri-suit for the whole race or take advantage of the changing tents. I thought I could just wear a speedo under my wet suit, bike shorts and a tri-top for the bike, then tri-shorts and a fresh tri-top for the run. Would spending the extra time changing clothes be worth it?



Not a veteran, actually a first timer, but remember nothing new on race day. I've ridden my recent centuries in both my cycling bib and tri short to see how I liked both. Didn't mind the tri shorts so I plan on going the whole thing in a tri kit. I agree with it's all a personal preference.



I have worn nothing but tri shorts for all rides including 6 IM's. As far as why, I just never liked bike shorts. I do all my training in tri shorts and thats
what matters. Your race should be like your training. If you you have not been training and doing long rides in tri shorts, then be very careful about doing something new on race day. Ride in what feels best to you and what you have trained in. If it requires changing shorts between bike and run, it's no big deal. 30 seconds will not make or break your race, but wearing shorts you have not trained in could. Whichever way you go, practice it before race day that way there will be no surprises during IMFL. Good luck
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Re: the jellyfish.

I grew up in Panama City and now live just up the road in Pensacola. Any jellyfish that would be there that time of year aren't anything to worry about. Even if you do get stung by one of these, it's not painful (just a little annoying) and you likely won't even notice it until you get out of the water...it doesn't last very long at all either. The other day during an open water swim, I was stung in the face by one of these things and it really just felt like chapped lips and a light sunburn for about half an hour or so. That said, I don't remember seeing any jellies last year at IMFL.

I love to see the inlanders fret so much about something that's pretty much harmless. That's not to say that some jellies aren't harmful...but ours (especially in November) aren't. You should be much more worried about setting all three of your alarms correctly so that you wake up on time.

Have a great race, guys! And just worry about the things you can control...there are plenty of those to think about.
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Thanks for all the advice. I should have been thinking about this months ago. But I agree, it's really too late to be changing things up now. I'll stick with what I know... bike shorts on the bike and tri shorts on the run.
2013-09-27 9:10 AM
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Hey, thanks for the extra bit of info on the jellyfish, as it eliminates one more unknown. Ha ha, stung in the face and kept on going eh, wow, you are an Ironman!

By the way, I do the 70.3 down in Galveston, TX, where the Gulf waters have a greenish/brown tint. Visibility is less than a foot I'd say. I'm pretty excited about swimming out in the PCB waters. How clear is the water? Can you see all the way down to the ocean floor? If so, it's gonna be such a cool experience I imagine.

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Originally posted by mahuwf

Re: the jellyfish.

I grew up in Panama City and now live just up the road in Pensacola. Any jellyfish that would be there that time of year aren't anything to worry about. Even if you do get stung by one of these, it's not painful (just a little annoying) and you likely won't even notice it until you get out of the water...it doesn't last very long at all either. The other day during an open water swim, I was stung in the face by one of these things and it really just felt like chapped lips and a light sunburn for about half an hour or so. That said, I don't remember seeing any jellies last year at IMFL.

I love to see the inlanders fret so much about something that's pretty much harmless. That's not to say that some jellies aren't harmful...but ours (especially in November) aren't. You should be much more worried about setting all three of your alarms correctly so that you wake up on time.

Have a great race, guys! And just worry about the things you can control...there are plenty of those to think about.
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