Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) (Page 247)

Sorry, its been a kinda busy, yet "Meh" couple of days...To answer questions:

---I cannot borrow the suit, the zoo is very protective...

---It is exceedingly hot, but there is a vest thingie that I wear within it that is equipped to hold several icepacks and a camel back, so I stay pretty cool.

---Mom is doing very well, she is starting to use a cane to walk with, but (for once) she is taking the time to recover correctly by staying with the wheel chair. Dad is also continuing improvement--he is down nearly 60 pounds, and aims to lose another 40, which would put him at a weight lower than ANY I have ever seen him at. He is moving better and in less pain than in previous months/years. So they are doing well

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by jobaxas

Weighing in (pun intended) - whilst calorie in calorie out is effective it also is not very easy to maintain and lots of folk end up gaining back the weight when they stop starving themselves of calories.

Now as you ALL know I'm on a strictly no sugar no grains lifestyle.  I've not touched chocolate or pasta or pizza or bread for nine weeks - I'm down 15lbs.  And it's easy.

It is very similar to paleo - and once you adapt to burning fat for fuel over glycogen and carbs it's fine, but it does take a while to adapt.

I am not going to force anyone to do what I do or believe what i believe - but keep an open mind.  I have tried every diet known to man and this is the first time I've adapted a 'lifestyle change' and it's worked and it's easy.

Oh how do I finance triathlon - well I'm in an office job - retail planner.  Dull but hey.  And for free I write newsletters for Macca and Vinnie Tortorich.  And most recently I have been given the title Podcast manager for Macca.  I'm hoping that all turns into paid employment soon enough and i'll ditch the office job.

Oh and just for Skrat - Yanti - I hope you stop by in December for a shoulder nibble.

I like hearing about your success with this Jo Do you do any fruit?

I do fruit sure.  I don't eat bananas and steer clear of the more tropical fruits.  Berries are my fruit of choice being lower GI and I always have my fruit with cream/creme fraiche or full fat unsweetened yoghurt.  If I have an apple I go French and have it with cheese.  A mandarin i have with nuts - just having the fat along with the fruit stops a real sugar spike.

Do you do rice or quinoa?

ETA: potatoes?

Originally posted by jobaxas

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by jobaxas

Weighing in (pun intended) - whilst calorie in calorie out is effective it also is not very easy to maintain and lots of folk end up gaining back the weight when they stop starving themselves of calories.

Now as you ALL know I'm on a strictly no sugar no grains lifestyle.  I've not touched chocolate or pasta or pizza or bread for nine weeks - I'm down 15lbs.  And it's easy.

It is very similar to paleo - and once you adapt to burning fat for fuel over glycogen and carbs it's fine, but it does take a while to adapt.

I am not going to force anyone to do what I do or believe what i believe - but keep an open mind.  I have tried every diet known to man and this is the first time I've adapted a 'lifestyle change' and it's worked and it's easy.

Oh how do I finance triathlon - well I'm in an office job - retail planner.  Dull but hey.  And for free I write newsletters for Macca and Vinnie Tortorich.  And most recently I have been given the title Podcast manager for Macca.  I'm hoping that all turns into paid employment soon enough and i'll ditch the office job.

Oh and just for Skrat - Yanti - I hope you stop by in December for a shoulder nibble.

I like hearing about your success with this Jo Do you do any fruit?

I do fruit sure.  I don't eat bananas and steer clear of the more tropical fruits.  Berries are my fruit of choice being lower GI and I always have my fruit with cream/creme fraiche or full fat unsweetened yoghurt.  If I have an apple I go French and have it with cheese.  A mandarin i have with nuts - just having the fat along with the fruit stops a real sugar spike.

You can have dairy on a paleo diet? I might have to rethink it.

Lol, talk about getting passionate about something--whew!

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by KansasMom

Originally posted by jobaxas

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by jobaxas

Weighing in (pun intended) - whilst calorie in calorie out is effective it also is not very easy to maintain and lots of folk end up gaining back the weight when they stop starving themselves of calories.

Now as you ALL know I'm on a strictly no sugar no grains lifestyle.  I've not touched chocolate or pasta or pizza or bread for nine weeks - I'm down 15lbs.  And it's easy.

It is very similar to paleo - and once you adapt to burning fat for fuel over glycogen and carbs it's fine, but it does take a while to adapt.

I am not going to force anyone to do what I do or believe what i believe - but keep an open mind.  I have tried every diet known to man and this is the first time I've adapted a 'lifestyle change' and it's worked and it's easy.

Oh how do I finance triathlon - well I'm in an office job - retail planner.  Dull but hey.  And for free I write newsletters for Macca and Vinnie Tortorich.  And most recently I have been given the title Podcast manager for Macca.  I'm hoping that all turns into paid employment soon enough and i'll ditch the office job.

Oh and just for Skrat - Yanti - I hope you stop by in December for a shoulder nibble.

I like hearing about your success with this Jo Do you do any fruit?

I do fruit sure.  I don't eat bananas and steer clear of the more tropical fruits.  Berries are my fruit of choice being lower GI and I always have my fruit with cream/creme fraiche or full fat unsweetened yoghurt.  If I have an apple I go French and have it with cheese.  A mandarin i have with nuts - just having the fat along with the fruit stops a real sugar spike.

You can have dairy on a paleo diet? I might have to rethink it.

I don't really know the ins and outs of paleo, but my understanding is that dairy is frowned upon, especially if you're going for weight loss.  IDK, cutting out cheese will never be an option for me.  I have to think about QOL, and eating well is a big part of that for me.  I LOVE food, and I have dairy goats and sometimes, when I have time, make my own cheese.  There is no faching way I'm writing that off

Lol, talk about getting passionate about something--whew!

haha same here! There are some things I'm just not going to cut out.

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by KansasMom

Originally posted by jobaxas

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by jobaxas

Weighing in (pun intended) - whilst calorie in calorie out is effective it also is not very easy to maintain and lots of folk end up gaining back the weight when they stop starving themselves of calories.

Now as you ALL know I'm on a strictly no sugar no grains lifestyle.  I've not touched chocolate or pasta or pizza or bread for nine weeks - I'm down 15lbs.  And it's easy.

It is very similar to paleo - and once you adapt to burning fat for fuel over glycogen and carbs it's fine, but it does take a while to adapt.

I am not going to force anyone to do what I do or believe what i believe - but keep an open mind.  I have tried every diet known to man and this is the first time I've adapted a 'lifestyle change' and it's worked and it's easy.

Oh how do I finance triathlon - well I'm in an office job - retail planner.  Dull but hey.  And for free I write newsletters for Macca and Vinnie Tortorich.  And most recently I have been given the title Podcast manager for Macca.  I'm hoping that all turns into paid employment soon enough and i'll ditch the office job.

Oh and just for Skrat - Yanti - I hope you stop by in December for a shoulder nibble.

I like hearing about your success with this Jo Do you do any fruit?

I do fruit sure.  I don't eat bananas and steer clear of the more tropical fruits.  Berries are my fruit of choice being lower GI and I always have my fruit with cream/creme fraiche or full fat unsweetened yoghurt.  If I have an apple I go French and have it with cheese.  A mandarin i have with nuts - just having the fat along with the fruit stops a real sugar spike.

You can have dairy on a paleo diet? I might have to rethink it.

I don't really know the ins and outs of paleo, but my understanding is that dairy is frowned upon, especially if you're going for weight loss.  IDK, cutting out cheese will never be an option for me.  I have to think about QOL, and eating well is a big part of that for me.  I LOVE food, and I have dairy goats and sometimes, when I have time, make my own cheese.  There is no faching way I'm writing that off

Lol, talk about getting passionate about something--whew!

haha same here! There are some things I'm just not going to cut out.

Yeah I can't do Paleo because of the dairy thing.  With this dairy is approved!  BUT some people are insulin resistant and find they need to cut dairy to lose weight.  I tend to eat cheese in moderation, i have heavy cream on my berries.  I should have it in my coffee but I have a soy latte instead and full fat milk in my tea.  Again it's all moderation.  On days where i really overeat all this stuff I don't gain weight and that's great!

That would be me ... I'd have to look back in my logs but I'm pretty sure I went vegan with 8-9 weeks to IMJ. I was probably a coupe 2-3 kilos down from IMNZ after my father's death, the food poisoning took another 3-4 off I think, but the vegan diet's taken probably 1.5k a week off. That, and 15-20 hours of training

Paleo and vegan aren't crazy diets, IMO. "Crazy" is anything that precludes a well-balanced diet with everything you need.

The reason vegan worked for me is that it forced me to really plan and evaluate all my food choices and nutrition as a whole. Any food plan that makes you do that, and in which you (reasonably, without cutting anything like say PROTEIN short) are consuming a fair amount of calories less than you were, is going to work.

Something I'm rather interested in is how to get more protein through methods such as this.

Racing Manatees

There was an interesting thread Lauren Goss posted about her diet in ST ... people were freaking about how few calories she ate and not enough protein, but on closer analysis, she was actually getting what she needed.

For one thing, I mostly eat whole foods (the processing to make tahu/tofu and tempe is, if disgusting, pretty natural. Heh). For an elite-level male endurance athlete, which frankly your training load often resembles, you'd be looking at 1.5-1.6g/kg protein. For me, a female endurance athlete at peak iron training load, I'm looking at 1.2-1.3g/kg.

I keep a pretty close eye on protein intake (and everything else), but here are some sample protein-tracking entries from my notes. At 63kg I'm doing okay.

Yanti--super interesting.  Thanks for posting.  I remember reading Lauren's thread on ST.  Oh, ST;)

I was just looking for current recommendations on protein intake the other day, and I couldn't find a definitive number recommendation.  I saw some as low as .8g/kg and one as high as 3g/kg.  Do you mind sharing your source for your numbers?  I don't log my food, but I'm guessing I'm in the 1.5g/kg range most days.

Calling all pickle people:

These are my current favorites, though a good friend of mine makes her own that are also really damn good.  The juice from these is a little sweet, little salty and a little spicy.  I haven't used it during training, but I might try that.  I absolutely drink it straight outta the jar, but I can't imagine it would taste that palatable if it wasn't chilled.  I really hate sports drinks though, so I'll try it and report back.

That'd be me, too. I keep getting food poisoning at the Jakarta house (Crazy Castle) so I'm not going to eat anything there that I haven't bought, stored, opened and cooked myself. I don't know where and how it's happening but at this point I don't have the faching time for detective work. I'm doing the same in Bali ... 1 day here, I'm still suffering explosions from one end but at least I can keep food down the other end now.

GO RACERS!!! 

Looking forward to reading some sweet RRs Manatees. Rock it.

I'm almost ready to be taken of the disabled list.  Did a nice run last night, and it's feeling much better.  Hoping to get some decent sessions in over the next three days.  Thanks everybody for keeping my spirits up with this, checking in and inspiring.  Very sweet and much appreciated:)

Fairly recent peer-reviewed studies and reviews actually involving endurance athletes, in decent journals. The two major variables affecting protein needs were training load (volume + intensity) and gender. That said, the number ranges I quoted were very safe, so to speak ... even high-load endurance athletes not training or performing at the elite level tended to do fine at 1.0g/kg (female) and 1.2g/kg (male).

There actually aren't gazillions of well-vetted studies/reviews out there so guaranteed you can find them with a pretty quick academic database search.

THANKFUCKINGODIT'SFRIDAY!!!! 

I wore wellies this morning to work as it was raining all night and the weather people that live in my phone said that it was going to be thunderstorming all day, so packed "regular" shoes in my bag to wear once I got to work and I'm now wearing my pink rubber gym flip flops as I grabbed 2 completely different shoes.

I'm going to get more coffee. 

Thanks Yanti! And I've seen similar numbers for the amounts to take in as well. Just don't want to have chicken or fish sandwiches 18 times a day to get there.

Go racers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get better DLers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!