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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rymac - 2012-01-18 9:51 AM If anybody wants to cry today can I recommend The Sufferest - A Very Dark Place workout on the bike. Oh My! This one ranks right up there with the most painful workout I have done....and it was only 55 minutes long! 5x4' intervals with varying intensities between 110%-140%FTP. It hurt alot and took every ounce to not quit on the last two. Planning on a EZ shorty run at noon. Whats everyone else got going on today? Whoa, you have to be in a good place to start - before going to the very dark place ... good for mental toughness! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() juniperjen - 2012-01-18 10:17 AM Good morning! I am 3 for 3 - on morning workouts, that is. It really does come down to being organized. I was a little annoyed because my cadence sensor wasn't working - i fiddled with it a bit but i really needed to get the spin in so i went blind and just by time. Planning to swim tonight. No excuses! The pool around the corner from me has lane swim from 8-9. I weenied out on swimming last night because 1. I got home late due to a problem on the subway and 2. the wind picked up a lot late in the evening and I really wasn't up to walking the 15-20 mins to the other pool (we don't have a car). So, no weenie tonight! Must swim!
Good job on the morning workouts! It takes some adjusting, but once you get in the habit it is not too bad. Most of my workouts happen at or around 4 am. Sometimes it makes for a very long day at work...if my students are not behaving...but it also makes me feel good to know I have my workouts done and can relax when I get home. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Good hard intervals run this morning. Unfortunately kicking out a lot of phlegm most of the morning. Starting to think this may be a sinus infection now. I sure admire all of you swimming and biking hard. I just can't get myself in the water and riding hard sounds horrible. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I got my double in yesterday, little 4 mile dreadmill run in the AM and 1250 in the pool PM, first time in the water in a while, it is nice to see i still swim 1:40's, too bad i can only do 1 or 2 before my form goes in the crapper.
Was supposed to run 75 mins today, wanted to do it this AM outside, but my daughter was up all night sick, so mom and i shared baby tending duties, mine was from 3-8am, so i will have to do it tonight...on the dreadmill...uggghhh |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-18 12:13 PM rymac - 2012-01-18 9:51 AM Wow that's tough. Honestly I don't do anything beyond 120% as there is very little benefit for triathletes. Rudy would probably do stuff beyond 120% for his crit racing, but most of the stuff I follow is from the Coggan book and he caps out at 120% for triathletes. I usually aim for 8x2' at 120% or so with decent recovery. That alone almost kills me lol.If anybody wants to cry today can I recommend The Sufferest - A Very Dark Place workout on the bike. Oh My! This one ranks right up there with the most painful workout I have done....and it was only 55 minutes long! 5x4' intervals with varying intensities between 110%-140%FTP. It hurt alot and took every ounce to not quit on the last two. Planning on a EZ shorty run at noon. Whats everyone else got going on today?
And well it should Fred, that is a bitchin' set 8x2's, lol yes, in the next month i will be adding all sorts of interesting intervals for the bike, i like all sorts of demonic stuff, like 1-3-9's 80-90-110% 3-4 times tabata intervals, 30 on all out 30 off 7-10 basic 90's like your interval Now in my crits, one interval i made for myself is 4 mins on as hard as i can go, then sprint for 30's with 5 min rest 4-5 times. I created this one because most of my racing is done on a 2 min loop, i want myself to be able to go flat out for two laps and have enough to sprint for a win if need be. They also help with bridging a gap or break, or trying to break away from the group. THESE ALL HURT LIKE HELL, but the benefit is your body learns to recover better and quicker, which for short stuff in Tri like a sprint or oly has big benefits, HIM, probably not so much, other than when you go too hard in a section, your body will be able to recover sooner to get you back at your target.
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![]() Fred D - 2012-01-18 9:13 AM rymac - 2012-01-18 9:51 AM Wow that's tough. Honestly I don't do anything beyond 120% as there is very little benefit for triathletes. Rudy would probably do stuff beyond 120% for his crit racing, but most of the stuff I follow is from the Coggan book and he caps out at 120% for triathletes. I usually aim for 8x2' at 120% or so with decent recovery. That alone almost kills me lol.If anybody wants to cry today can I recommend The Sufferest - A Very Dark Place workout on the bike. Oh My! This one ranks right up there with the most painful workout I have done....and it was only 55 minutes long! 5x4' intervals with varying intensities between 110%-140%FTP. It hurt alot and took every ounce to not quit on the last two. Planning on a EZ shorty run at noon. Whats everyone else got going on today? I have to be real careful with those intense intervals. I was doing Jorge's program last year and my calves would really suffer, get tight, and then when I would run the next day, I got injured a few times. I am doing some of Jorge's programs this winter, but not religiously and not putting out the power intervals I was doing last year |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-18 12:53 PM ChrisM - 2012-01-18 12:45 PM Yeah definitely need to be careful when your an old geezer like me and you Chris lol. So for those less familiar with %ftp concepts, here is my basic review.... Generally 91-105% of FTP is considered lactate threshold. 106-120% is considered VO2 max. 121-150% is anaerobic capacity. Triathletes get a lot of bang for their buck focusing on the lactate threshold stuff. VO2 max stuff is hard and requires more recovery, but also helps triathletes. Anaerobic capacity stuff is pretty rarely if ever helpful for triathletes and is more for road racing cyclists etc. LT intervals are generally 8-20' long and have recoveries that are no more than half the length of the interval. VO2 max intervals are usually 1.5-4' with longer recoveries, often as long as the interval itself. An easy approach is 1 long ride a week, 1 VO2 max workout and 1 LT workout per week. This would make you very strong on the bike!Fred D - 2012-01-18 9:13 AM rymac - 2012-01-18 9:51 AM Wow that's tough. Honestly I don't do anything beyond 120% as there is very little benefit for triathletes. Rudy would probably do stuff beyond 120% for his crit racing, but most of the stuff I follow is from the Coggan book and he caps out at 120% for triathletes. I usually aim for 8x2' at 120% or so with decent recovery. That alone almost kills me lol.If anybody wants to cry today can I recommend The Sufferest - A Very Dark Place workout on the bike. Oh My! This one ranks right up there with the most painful workout I have done....and it was only 55 minutes long! 5x4' intervals with varying intensities between 110%-140%FTP. It hurt alot and took every ounce to not quit on the last two. Planning on a EZ shorty run at noon. Whats everyone else got going on today? I have to be real careful with those intense intervals. I was doing Jorge's program last year and my calves would really suffer, get tight, and then when I would run the next day, I got injured a few times. I am doing some of Jorge's programs this winter, but not religiously and not putting out the power intervals I was doing last year |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Curious - Question for the group - What are your triathlon goals for this year? any PR/race goals? times? if all the stars and planets align correctly, weather is perfect and all goes better than expected, what is that lofty time goal? |
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![]() | ![]() I'd love to get a 6 hour HIM but so many things would have to go my way it is not even funny. My second more realistic goal is under 6:30. I've never done a flat course before so I am not sure I can really translate my previous times to this next race. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sub 6:00 Half Iron (I can't wait until this marathon is over so I can RIDE MY BIKE again!!! - if I improve there and hold my run and swim steady, I can do it. 6:22 in the first one. Bike split was 3:36. REALLY slow!) Sub 2:40 Oly - I think that'll be a bit harder to get. Average over 20mph in a Sprint Tri. I was close last season on a course with a LOT of U-turns, so I think this is doable. ETA: Are my legs supposed to feel a little like bricks during marathon taper? They've felt off this week, but my run today was faster than usual without more effort... And they felt ok WHILE running, but now they're heavy again. Edited by ratherbeswimming 2012-01-18 1:41 PM |
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![]() golfpro - 2012-01-18 11:21 AM Curious - Question for the group - What are your triathlon goals for this year? any PR/race goals? times? if all the stars and planets align correctly, weather is perfect and all goes better than expected, what is that lofty time goal? Like the others, sub 6 HIM. Closest I got was training for IMAZ went 6:00:20. Doh! As part of that, a sub 30 HIM swim and a sub 3:00 bike. Primary goal is to no longer be able to register as a Clydesdale, 11# away.
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![]() | ![]() I belong to the Tucson Tri Girls tri club. It is a rather large club in Tucson. Some guys have tried to join. "Hello Tucson TriGirls! Triathlon is a practice in being aware of ourselves - in our choices and actions. Making yourself get out of bed at the crack of dawn, holding your focus and technique throughout your workouts, balancing work and play, or not just slipping up too much at the dinner table are only a few examples of how triathlon can help us become aware of the little choices we make all through out the day, season, and year. Triathlon rewards consistency! Consistency in training and diet and lifestyle pays huge dividends in the sport and all throughout life! Happy Trainings!"
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bzgl40 - 2012-01-18 4:01 PM I belong to the Tucson Tri Girls tri club. It is a rather large club in Tucson. Some guys have tried to join. "Hello Tucson TriGirls! Triathlon is a practice in being aware of ourselves - in our choices and actions. Making yourself get out of bed at the crack of dawn, holding your focus and technique throughout your workouts, balancing work and play, or not just slipping up too much at the dinner table are only a few examples of how triathlon can help us become aware of the little choices we make all through out the day, season, and year. Triathlon rewards consistency! Consistency in training and diet and lifestyle pays huge dividends in the sport and all throughout life! Happy Trainings!"
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![]() | ![]() ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-18 1:03 PM bzgl40 - 2012-01-18 4:01 PM I belong to the Tucson Tri Girls tri club. It is a rather large club in Tucson. Some guys have tried to join. "Hello Tucson TriGirls! Triathlon is a practice in being aware of ourselves - in our choices and actions. Making yourself get out of bed at the crack of dawn, holding your focus and technique throughout your workouts, balancing work and play, or not just slipping up too much at the dinner table are only a few examples of how triathlon can help us become aware of the little choices we make all through out the day, season, and year. Triathlon rewards consistency! Consistency in training and diet and lifestyle pays huge dividends in the sport and all throughout life! Happy Trainings!"
No way! You know my friend Chrissy!!! Neat. Small world. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() my goals: Sub 5h at REV3 Quassy Half Sub 4h45 at Patriot Half Sub 1h05 full sprint Sub 2h10 at my Olympic get under 200lbs Win a few bike races. And honestly, i started all this in the Fall of 2008, 3 of these races are repeats, i would love to set PR's at all 3 races, the sprint will be my 4th time, and i am looking to finally get on the AG podium, i keep missing by 1 or 2 spots. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My first goal is to get healthy and resume biking and swimming. After that I do have some lofty goals. I would like to go sub 5:30 at the HIM distance. I think this is the most attainable as I have a PR of 5:39 last year where the swim was horrible. It was so foggy you could not see the buoys and caused me to swim almost 5 minutes slower than normal. My two bigger goals are a sub 4 hour marathon in May and to go around 12 hours at IMAZ. I believe both of these are attainable. That said they will take some serious dedication to training and diet. As a bigger guy I also need some help from mother nature. Hot, humid and windy has never been my friend. |
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