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JJ- - 2013-02-13 9:24 AM

Ok Manatees, 52 days out from my 70.3........What to do??

Did everything Dr prescribed, was a couch potato for a full week. 2 cortisone shots, massage, foam roller, stretching, celebrex, even using a rx anti-inflammatory topical lotion. Today went out for my first jog and made it 20 minutes before it was uncomfortable. That's 5 minutes longer than last time.

At this point I just don't know what to do. I've already paid for non-refundable Condo so I will be going to the race whether I can participate or not. If I cancel my registration I can at least get $75 back. I can't afford another road trip and half ironman this year so if I decide not to do this then

I dunno.......I know it's just one race but I've put alot of work into this.

This is not what we wanted to hear! 

How are the bike and swim doing? 

Have you seen the PT?  Does walking bother you or is it only running that is problematic?  What does your coach say (assuming that you trust coach and if you don't that's another can of worms)?

If you do a brick workout, does your IT band act up?  In other words, if you are really really warmed up, does that make a difference?

Are you icing?



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I have been messing around with race nutrition lately. I have not really worked it into my routine until the past 6 months, and it really stems from some longer bike rides at the end of last season. So, at different times I have tried a few different gel's, some Gatorade/Powerade, Swedish gummy fish, Stinger waffles and Fig Newtons. I like the Fig Newtons and Stinger waffles for the bike, but when running I am starting to get good results from gels. And just this past week I tried Honey. I read some stuff on it and it seems like a viable option. I tried it before a short run this week and it stayed fine in my stomach. I will not be trying it out this weekend (nothing new on race day), but I am interested to hear anything anyone has to say on both nutrition and Honey in particular. Thanks.

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I have been messing around with race nutrition lately. I have not really worked it into my routine until the past 6 months, and it really stems from some longer bike rides at the end of last season. So, at different times I have tried a few different gel's, some Gatorade/Powerade, Swedish gummy fish, Stinger waffles and Fig Newtons. I like the Fig Newtons and Stinger waffles for the bike, but when running I am starting to get good results from gels. And just this past week I tried Honey. I read some stuff on it and it seems like a viable option. I tried it before a short run this week and it stayed fine in my stomach. I will not be trying it out this weekend (nothing new on race day), but I am interested to hear anything anyone has to say on both nutrition and Honey in particular. Thanks.

During longer runs I typically stick to gels since they are easier to transport and eat.  Haven't tried honey on its own yet (not sure how you would pack/eat it during a race) but I do like the Honey Stinger honey gels, original honey flavor.  I actually like when they crystalize just a bit and there is a tiny bit of texture to them. Uncrystalized is good, too, LOL!

Putting peanut butter on Stinger waffles pre-ride or during ride is an extra calorie and flavor boost.

2013-02-13 9:58 AM
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A question for the sages that are the manatees:  I am in week 2 of my half marathon plan, running 3 miles Tues, Wed and Thurs with a 5 mile long run scheduled for Sat.  However, I have a 5K race on Sunday, so I'm thinking running 5 miles Sat. may not be the best idea, but I don't want to skimp out on my training, either.  Thought about not running Sat. and doing the 5K Sunday and then doing the extra 2 miles at some point after the race.  Thoughts? 
2013-02-13 10:16 AM
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melbo55 - 2013-02-13 10:58 AM A question for the sages that are the manatees:  I am in week 2 of my half marathon plan, running 3 miles Tues, Wed and Thurs with a 5 mile long run scheduled for Sat.  However, I have a 5K race on Sunday, so I'm thinking running 5 miles Sat. may not be the best idea, but I don't want to skimp out on my training, either.  Thought about not running Sat. and doing the 5K Sunday and then doing the extra 2 miles at some point after the race.  Thoughts? 

Depends on effort. Swapping Sat for Sun shouldn't be a big deal. If you are going full out "Race", then I wouldn't be too concerned about the extra mileage. If the effort is going to be consistent with training pace, then add the extra two after you finish. How long is the training plan? Which plan is it? Higdon has a couple of races (5 & 10K) built into his beginner plan, but they are later in the program.

Keep in mind that I just recently started adding volume to my running and I am only so knowledgable

2013-02-13 10:23 AM
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I have been messing around with race nutrition lately. I have not really worked it into my routine until the past 6 months, and it really stems from some longer bike rides at the end of last season. So, at different times I have tried a few different gel's, some Gatorade/Powerade, Swedish gummy fish, Stinger waffles and Fig Newtons. I like the Fig Newtons and Stinger waffles for the bike, but when running I am starting to get good results from gels. And just this past week I tried Honey. I read some stuff on it and it seems like a viable option. I tried it before a short run this week and it stayed fine in my stomach. I will not be trying it out this weekend (nothing new on race day), but I am interested to hear anything anyone has to say on both nutrition and Honey in particular. Thanks.

During longer runs I typically stick to gels since they are easier to transport and eat.  Haven't tried honey on its own yet (not sure how you would pack/eat it during a race) but I do like the Honey Stinger honey gels, original honey flavor.  I actually like when they crystalize just a bit and there is a tiny bit of texture to them. Uncrystalized is good, too, LOL!

Putting peanut butter on Stinger waffles pre-ride or during ride is an extra calorie and flavor boost.

I prefer the waffles on the bike too. I was comparing calorie counts this last weekend for stuff that is available on the course but I know the waffles work on my stomach. For my long run this weekend I am going to try the chomps. I'm not a fan of them on the bike because they give me the feeling I can't breathe when I chew them, but maybe on the run. I'm trying to live off the course so I don't have to carry as much but I only like a couple of the GU flavors, pineapple and PB. I bought a few more to try, espresso and chocolate mint, I think. Honey is a great idea if you could get it in a small portable pack, sort of like the PB ones. What is the calorie count for honey?



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StaceyK - 2013-02-13 10:47 AM Did the entry for my first full sprint (750/20/5) race last night. Its in 3 weeks with the weather we've been having I don't think that wetsuits will be allowed but I'm ok with that it's the run that I'm worried about. I am setting myself a time goal of 2 hours which will be a real challenge for me.

I also finally got to check out the course map for the Oly that I have been planning on doing in April. A good part of the run is along the beach in the sand. This has now got me really worried as the 10km run is going to be really tough for me without having to do some of it in sand. I'm starting to question whether I should enter.

ok manatees....

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

Haha, wait for it, wait for it.... DO EEEEEEEEEET!

But yeah, Will running on the beach be so hard?  It'll be easier on your joints, and if you run on the semi-wet sand it should be stable enough that you don't wast a lot of energy on it or get sand in your socks.  Right?

I luf running on the beach... that is one thing I miss about my days in GA. I agree that you should find out if the sand will be wet/packed, that is the greatest running surface!!!!

2013-02-13 10:28 AM
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Well the cold finally won. I missed my swim this morning Yell My head was clogged and pounding and a swim just was not happening. I might try to get it in later, but I'd have to leave work early and/or miss Bible study, but I might do that anyway to avoid getting my friends sick. I DO NOT like having an empty day on my training calendar!!!!!!!!!!!
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melbo55 - 2013-02-13 11:58 PM A question for the sages that are the manatees:  I am in week 2 of my half marathon plan, running 3 miles Tues, Wed and Thurs with a 5 mile long run scheduled for Sat.  However, I have a 5K race on Sunday, so I'm thinking running 5 miles Sat. may not be the best idea, but I don't want to skimp out on my training, either.  Thought about not running Sat. and doing the 5K Sunday and then doing the extra 2 miles at some point after the race.  Thoughts? 

Well, you're going to have to warm up for the race

2013-02-13 10:33 AM
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melbo55 - 2013-02-13 10:58 AM A question for the sages that are the manatees:  I am in week 2 of my half marathon plan, running 3 miles Tues, Wed and Thurs with a 5 mile long run scheduled for Sat.  However, I have a 5K race on Sunday, so I'm thinking running 5 miles Sat. may not be the best idea, but I don't want to skimp out on my training, either.  Thought about not running Sat. and doing the 5K Sunday and then doing the extra 2 miles at some point after the race.  Thoughts? 

Swapping days, especially this early in the training plan, should not be a problem.  I'd do the race and then run a cool down.  I wouldn't worry about getting the entire 5 miles but more than 3.1, you know?  And definitely have fun with it!

2013-02-13 10:39 AM
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rrrunner - 2013-02-14 12:28 AM Well the cold finally won. I missed my swim this morning Yell My head was clogged and pounding and a swim just was not happening. I might try to get it in later, but I'd have to leave work early and/or miss Bible study, but I might do that anyway to avoid getting my friends sick. I DO NOT like having an empty day on my training calendar!!!!!!!!!!!

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cdban66 - 2013-02-13 10:47 AM

I have been messing around with race nutrition lately. I have not really worked it into my routine until the past 6 months, and it really stems from some longer bike rides at the end of last season. So, at different times I have tried a few different gel's, some Gatorade/Powerade, Swedish gummy fish, Stinger waffles and Fig Newtons. I like the Fig Newtons and Stinger waffles for the bike, but when running I am starting to get good results from gels. And just this past week I tried Honey. I read some stuff on it and it seems like a viable option. I tried it before a short run this week and it stayed fine in my stomach. I will not be trying it out this weekend (nothing new on race day), but I am interested to hear anything anyone has to say on both nutrition and Honey in particular. Thanks.

During longer runs I typically stick to gels since they are easier to transport and eat.  Haven't tried honey on its own yet (not sure how you would pack/eat it during a race) but I do like the Honey Stinger honey gels, original honey flavor.  I actually like when they crystalize just a bit and there is a tiny bit of texture to them. Uncrystalized is good, too, LOL!

Putting peanut butter on Stinger waffles pre-ride or during ride is an extra calorie and flavor boost.

I prefer the waffles on the bike too. I was comparing calorie counts this last weekend for stuff that is available on the course but I know the waffles work on my stomach. For my long run this weekend I am going to try the chomps. I'm not a fan of them on the bike because they give me the feeling I can't breathe when I chew them, but maybe on the run. I'm trying to live off the course so I don't have to carry as much but I only like a couple of the GU flavors, pineapple and PB. I bought a few more to try, espresso and chocolate mint, I think. Honey is a great idea if you could get it in a small portable pack, sort of like the PB ones. What is the calorie count for honey?

About 85 cals per oz. Roughly a gel, off by a few calories. I have a 3 oz squeeze bottle that I can put in my run belt. If I end up primarily using gel, I'll get it in bulk and use that.  I prefer the Hammer Montana Huckleberry, but I think I'm just enjoying the test phase I'm in.  None of them have been bad, although Tropical Fruit flavor was kinda meh.

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Artemis - 2013-02-12 8:26 PM Apparently decaf coffee with amaretto isn't a before bed snack.  Who knew?

Whaaaaa???? No! Who says?

My crazy husband.  He doesn't drink coffee ever, so he thinks it's weird.  Personally, I think it's delicious.

You married him???? lol

My in-laws are leaving in a few days. MIL has made decaf almost every night. It's her special thing when they visit. I've added peppermint Kahlua

More for me! 

How is the peppermint Kahlua? I've wanted to try the caramel, but we have so much in our bar that it's hard to justify more.

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Artemis - 2013-02-12 8:26 PM Apparently decaf coffee with amaretto isn't a before bed snack.  Who knew?

Whaaaaa???? No! Who says?

My crazy husband.  He doesn't drink coffee ever, so he thinks it's weird.  Personally, I think it's delicious.

It's the decaf that throws it off!  In fact skip the coffee go double shot Amaretto!  I'm doing Febfast - no alcohol in Feb.  Hey shortest month of the year - didn't realise that SIL would be living with me at the time...

Oh and then someone dared me to give up chocolate for a month - Geez.  I can't resist a dare.

I am miserable.

I like it warm! Warming up amaretto just seems wrong.  If it's in coffee, it's so nice and warm. Perfect for before bed.

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jobaxas - 2013-02-13 5:51 AM OWS and a run look at this view of where I swim

Wow! That is absolutely beautiful!!  I need to travel to that part of the world.  Hubby and I went to Tahiti on our honeymoon and I think it was the most amazing place I've ever been. Would love to go back. Really want to go to Australia and New Zealand though.

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cdban66 - 2013-02-13 7:43 AM

Jen - My flippant answer to your "doing something wrong when I run on the stoopid treadmill" statement is that there is nothing right about a treadmill Actually though, you may be onto something. It does seem to be a bit different on the tready then outside, but that is completely anecdotal. I have nothing  scientific to go on.  BTW, your husband is wrong.  Coffee and ANYTHING is a perfect bedtime snack. 

I think I'm going to talk to my PT tomorrow about looking at my treadmill biomechanics.  I seriously think that's what caused this.  I've been doing almost all my running inside on the treadmill and that's when the problem started.  Outside runs feel great; inside runs are miserable.  Obviously, the simple answer is "run outside, stupid!" but now I have to fix the problem I caused in the first place.

I'm glad that so many of you guys agree on coffee + alcohol before bed.  I knew I was in good company here. 



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rrrunner - 2013-02-14 12:26 AM
ponderingfox - 2013-02-12 6:57 PM
jobaxas - 2013-02-12 7:10 PM
StaceyK - 2013-02-13 10:47 AM Did the entry for my first full sprint (750/20/5) race last night. Its in 3 weeks with the weather we've been having I don't think that wetsuits will be allowed but I'm ok with that it's the run that I'm worried about. I am setting myself a time goal of 2 hours which will be a real challenge for me.

I also finally got to check out the course map for the Oly that I have been planning on doing in April. A good part of the run is along the beach in the sand. This has now got me really worried as the 10km run is going to be really tough for me without having to do some of it in sand. I'm starting to question whether I should enter.

ok manatees....

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

Haha, wait for it, wait for it.... DO EEEEEEEEEET!

But yeah, Will running on the beach be so hard?  It'll be easier on your joints, and if you run on the semi-wet sand it should be stable enough that you don't wast a lot of energy on it or get sand in your socks.  Right?

I luf running on the beach... that is one thing I miss about my days in GA. I agree that you should find out if the sand will be wet/packed, that is the greatest running surface!!!!

dooooo eeeeeeet

Also, running on sand barefoot (or with minimal shoes) is one of the best ways to run strength-train (add in slowly!)

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melbo55 - 2013-02-13 10:58 AM A question for the sages that are the manatees:  I am in week 2 of my half marathon plan, running 3 miles Tues, Wed and Thurs with a 5 mile long run scheduled for Sat.  However, I have a 5K race on Sunday, so I'm thinking running 5 miles Sat. may not be the best idea, but I don't want to skimp out on my training, either.  Thought about not running Sat. and doing the 5K Sunday and then doing the extra 2 miles at some point after the race.  Thoughts? 

I would use the 5k as your training for the week, especially if you plan to do it at "race pace." That's going to be faster than your long run pace (right?), so you'll be doing more work than just a three mile easy run.

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JJ- - 2013-02-13 1:24 PM

Ok Manatees, 52 days out from my 70.3........What to do??

Did everything Dr prescribed, was a couch potato for a full week. 2 cortisone shots, massage, foam roller, stretching, celebrex, even using a rx anti-inflammatory topical lotion. Today went out for my first jog and made it 20 minutes before it was uncomfortable. That's 5 minutes longer than last time.

At this point I just don't know what to do. I've already paid for non-refundable Condo so I will be going to the race whether I can participate or not. If I cancel my registration I can at least get $75 back. I can't afford another road trip and half ironman this year so if I decide not to do this then

I dunno.......I know it's just one race but I've put alot of work into this.

How are you on the run and swim? If you're ok on doing those, and its not causing any further damage, couldn't you do just the swim and bike part of the course for the experience, and practice in transition etc. By then you may be up to walk, or even walk/jog the run part. Considering you will be attending anyway due to condo situation, it may be an idea.
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OK, I realize that as a Manatee I shouldn't have a problem swimming in cold water Laughing

But... as Oceanside draws near I am working more on the details i.e. nutrition, race gear, etc, and I am wondering about using a neoprene cap and possibly booties, if the water is cold enough. I've never tried either of these items and wonder about everyones' experience with them. I've read that the neoprene cap is too "floaty" and that a silicone or two under the race cap it better. I've also read that the booties fill with water and become more trouble than they are worth. Should I get these items and try them at the pool? Where does one find these items? Sporting good stores? The interwebs? Talk to me.

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JJ- - 2013-02-13 1:24 PM

Ok Manatees, 52 days out from my 70.3........What to do??

Did everything Dr prescribed, was a couch potato for a full week. 2 cortisone shots, massage, foam roller, stretching, celebrex, even using a rx anti-inflammatory topical lotion. Today went out for my first jog and made it 20 minutes before it was uncomfortable. That's 5 minutes longer than last time.

At this point I just don't know what to do. I've already paid for non-refundable Condo so I will be going to the race whether I can participate or not. If I cancel my registration I can at least get $75 back. I can't afford another road trip and half ironman this year so if I decide not to do this then

I dunno.......I know it's just one race but I've put alot of work into this.

How are you on the run and swim? If you're ok on doing those, and its not causing any further damage, couldn't you do just the swim and bike part of the course for the experience, and practice in transition etc. By then you may be up to walk, or even walk/jog the run part. Considering you will be attending anyway due to condo situation, it may be an idea.

This was my thought too. I know how much work goes in to training for a HIM and I would hate to have that taken away so close to the goal.



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cdban66 - 2013-02-13 11:47 PM

I have been messing around with race nutrition lately. I have not really worked it into my routine until the past 6 months, and it really stems from some longer bike rides at the end of last season. So, at different times I have tried a few different gel's, some Gatorade/Powerade, Swedish gummy fish, Stinger waffles and Fig Newtons. I like the Fig Newtons and Stinger waffles for the bike, but when running I am starting to get good results from gels. And just this past week I tried Honey. I read some stuff on it and it seems like a viable option. I tried it before a short run this week and it stayed fine in my stomach. I will not be trying it out this weekend (nothing new on race day), but I am interested to hear anything anyone has to say on both nutrition and Honey in particular. Thanks.

I do nutrition crocodile style It's served me very well in races--I take whatever they've got and I do fine. I've definitely done shots of honey on the bike and I like it as well as anything.

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TriAya - 2013-02-13 4:16 PM

I've definitely done shots of honey

Honey junkie, lol.
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rrrunner - 2013-02-14 1:03 AM

OK, I realize that as a Manatee I shouldn't have a problem swimming in cold water Laughing

But... as Oceanside draws near I am working more on the details i.e. nutrition, race gear, etc, and I am wondering about using a neoprene cap and possibly booties, if the water is cold enough. I've never tried either of these items and wonder about everyones' experience with them. I've read that the neoprene cap is too "floaty" and that a silicone or two under the race cap it better. I've also read that the booties fill with water and become more trouble than they are worth. Should I get these items and try them at the pool? Where does one find these items? Sporting good stores? The interwebs? Talk to me.

I am hopeless in cold water and always have been, even training in it through the winter up to Oceanside, and it was really painful when my feet finally "came to" on the bike ... BUT ... I didn't die, and I didn't feel ridiculously cold on the swim. I think it was about 60 F the day of. Booties suck. I'm going to wear them in NZ, but I wouldn't unless I absolutely had to. Neoprene caps can be bought at tri or swim stores or online through tri & wetsuit retailers. Definitely practice with it--I got some really nasty chafe with it despite lube. That said, in a swim cap sandwich they keep your hair dry and your head toasty.

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TriAya - 2013-02-13 4:16 PM

I've definitely done shots of honey

Honey junkie, lol.

That's a term of endearment to me right there luv!

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