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2012-01-06 8:33 AM in reply to: #3974512 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 7:28 AM question- when you start, do you just train through that low energy feeling for as long as you can? Well, you have sufficient glycogen stores to make it through 30-40min. of moderate excercise stored in your blood and liver. I would suggest trying this for max of 60min initially and see how you feel. You won't bonk. |
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2012-01-06 8:34 AM in reply to: #3974472 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED triguy1043 - 2012-01-06 7:11 AM Hey all hope everyone is doing great and having good training!! I have a question I am curious about everyones occupation, and how we find so much time to talk on here, train, and be family people. I am a Phyiscal Education teacher at a Deaf school in NY. Have 2 kids (4 1/2 & 2)
I am a Vice President of Investments for Wells Fargo Advisors. I live out west but keep east coast market hours so i have afternoons free to train. And I sit infront of dual monitors watching the stock market at work and have plenty of opportunities to check BT. My wife and I have no kids...yet... Edited by bryancd 2012-01-06 8:35 AM |
2012-01-06 8:49 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Small commercial real estate company in Westchester Cty NY, we have internet access at work, so i keep things on in the back ground and interject were i feel i have something valuable to share. At night i make sure i have dinner with my wife and daughter and either get up at 4:30am to train before the house wakes up, or workout after my daughter goes to bed. It is a tough balance for sure, and getting up everyday at 4:30 is difficult. I miss workouts here and there, it is a product of environment, but i do not get paid to do this, sometimes you just have to be a dad and husband before triathlete. If i was single or at least no children, my training would be much different. |
2012-01-06 8:51 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Got 12 miles in this morning. Too warm here. You shouldn't be able to jog shirtless in January, in the Northern Hemisphere that is. It's just wrong.
I like the etched pint glasses idea. Is there any regional landmarks or icons that you can tie it to? Just a thought. Here everything is tied to something Texas related, but then again we tend to have a sense of state pride that some may consider a bit overboard.
As far as the fasted cardio deal, I think there is some stuff on PubMed but I don't have access to the whole text versions. I'll ask some of my meathead buddies for help. You'd be surprised how scientific they are about nutrition. Basically Bryan nailed it though. Your body's first choice of fuel is always glycogen/carbs. It is the easiest to convert to ATP or usable energy. After that your body moves to fat. There are several more steps in the conversion of fat to ATP, so it takes more energy just in the conversion. For those trying to lose weight its a bonus because not only are you burning fat stores but it's taking calories just to convert the fat to ATP. This is the beauty of a no/very low carbohydrate diet (ketogenic). So yes at first you are going to feel very sluggish. Your body is adjusting to a new fuel source, but in time your energy levels even out and you're fine. Now my morning hunger is probably a bit mental and could be cured by downing a couple glasses of water.
So at my current rate I should be 160 by the end of this month (we'll see how well I check myself on the weekends) and then I'll be moving to fasted workouts for anything under 90 minutes. I'm a big believer of hitting a plateau before switching things up or adding things. |
2012-01-06 8:51 AM in reply to: #3974512 |
New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 9:28 AM bryancd - 2012-01-06 6:56 AM ReginaPhalange72 - 2012-01-05 8:59 PM Well said. When we wake up and provide a carbohydrate to our energy system by eating a breakfast or pre-workout meal, we fire up that energy system. Our blood glucose level spikes and that's what pur bodies use to provide fuel. As we continue training and down a gel or sports drink, we are perpetuationg that carbohydrate based fueling system. It works great, especially if you have a lot of intensity in the training or are racing. However it shut's down the fat burning system as we continue to provide carboydrate. By doing some training without a pre-workout carbohydrate and denying carbohydrate while we train, our bodies are forced to metabolize fat. You can't go too long ot too hard doing this, but I have done 3 1/2 aerobic, IM intensity rides like this without having any issues. YRMV. The one universal thing I see and hear from people who do this is how effective it can be for weight management.uhcoog - 2012-01-05 10:49 PM Fasted cardio. The idea is that upon waking you are glycogen depleted. Training in this state means you draw your energy from fat stores instead of glycogen stores. It also goes to the idea of training low and racing high. There are also several studies on the subject where if you consistantly train in a glycogen depleted state your body becomes more efficient in utilizing the carbs you do put in your body. This has obvious benefits come race day. It's an idea that is used by several serious athletes I know in both the tri realm and the bodybuilding realm. I've done it and seen results. I just need to get past the first few weeks where the hunger upon waking kinda gets to you. Interesting. Any reading you can suggest for more info on this? honestly i am hooked on sugar. i love eating and eating sugar (did i mention i love sugar). i am not looking to lose a lot of weight but a few pounds wouldn't hurt. i will try training in a fasted state to see if it helps me improve my training/racing. i guess the reason i feel like i have a drop in energy about 40 mins into run is because i have stuffed carbs down my throat before i started. question- when you start, do you just train through that low energy feeling for as long as you can? Just stop eating sugar for awhile. its like anything else, it will suck for a week or 2 then you wont notice it. Yes, train through that low energy feeling. I either train a o-dark-thirty or at lunch during the week. It all sucks, get it done. |
2012-01-06 8:53 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
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2012-01-06 8:56 AM in reply to: #3974562 |
New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I am a lawyer. I deal with businesses' and individual's financial problems. I handle all kinds of bankruptcy, tax and litigation matters. I work a ton. I have 2 daughters (see my avatar - ages 8 and 3.75) and am very busy with kid and family stuff too. I am also active in the Connecticut and American Bar associations and local civic organizations. 90% of my WOs are very early or at "lunch". Triathlon is about the 4th priority in my life, although as my kids get older it will get more attention. My goals are doing the best i can in the limited time i have to train and learning to accept that fact. |
2012-01-06 8:56 AM in reply to: #3974565 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2012-01-06 9:51 AM Got 12 miles in this morning. Too warm here. You shouldn't be able to jog shirtless in January, in the Northern Hemisphere that is. It's just wrong.
I like the etched pint glasses idea. Is there any regional landmarks or icons that you can tie it to? Just a thought. Here everything is tied to something Texas related, but then again we tend to have a sense of state pride that some may consider a bit overboard.
As far as the fasted cardio deal, I think there is some stuff on PubMed but I don't have access to the whole text versions. I'll ask some of my meathead buddies for help. You'd be surprised how scientific they are about nutrition. Basically Bryan nailed it though. Your body's first choice of fuel is always glycogen/carbs. It is the easiest to convert to ATP or usable energy. After that your body moves to fat. There are several more steps in the conversion of fat to ATP, so it takes more energy just in the conversion. For those trying to lose weight its a bonus because not only are you burning fat stores but it's taking calories just to convert the fat to ATP. This is the beauty of a no/very low carbohydrate diet (ketogenic). So yes at first you are going to feel very sluggish. Your body is adjusting to a new fuel source, but in time your energy levels even out and you're fine. Now my morning hunger is probably a bit mental and could be cured by downing a couple glasses of water.
So at my current rate I should be 160 by the end of this month (we'll see how well I check myself on the weekends) and then I'll be moving to fasted workouts for anything under 90 minutes. I'm a big believer of hitting a plateau before switching things up or adding things.
Scott, i find it easier to keep control on the weekends, i have time to prepare proper foods and just generally maintain a more busy schedule to where i don't have time to eat garbage, like when i am sitting in my office. I actually have to remind myself to eat and drink properly on the weekends. They are my best weight loss days. Of course they are also the days where i go long in my workouts or double up, so the combined affect really helps me.
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2012-01-06 9:00 AM in reply to: #3974472 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED triguy1043 - 2012-01-06 8:11 AM Hey all hope everyone is doing great and having good training!! I have a question I am curious about everyones occupation, and how we find so much time to talk on here, train, and be family people. I am a Phyiscal Education teacher at a Deaf school in NY. Have 2 kids (4 1/2 & 2)
Quality Assurance Manager for an employee benefits company. Basically I am in front of a computer dealing with complaints, process flow issues, and proactive QA. Anytime I need a mental respite from serious BS I jump on here. I have 2 daughters (2 and 4) and 80% of my training is done before dawn so that I'm done by the time they roll out of bed or the time I have to be in the office. |
2012-01-06 9:00 AM in reply to: #3974298 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED DDVMM - 2012-01-06 7:31 AM Carrie- Good luck this weekend at Goofy!! Enjoy the experience and report back! I am so interested to hear about it! Kally - when is the 1/4 marathon? Do you not want to given traditional medals? Everyone gets a medal who finishes but we change up the awards for division winners. |
2012-01-06 9:01 AM in reply to: #3974584 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:56 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-06 9:51 AM Got 12 miles in this morning. Too warm here. You shouldn't be able to jog shirtless in January, in the Northern Hemisphere that is. It's just wrong.
I like the etched pint glasses idea. Is there any regional landmarks or icons that you can tie it to? Just a thought. Here everything is tied to something Texas related, but then again we tend to have a sense of state pride that some may consider a bit overboard.
As far as the fasted cardio deal, I think there is some stuff on PubMed but I don't have access to the whole text versions. I'll ask some of my meathead buddies for help. You'd be surprised how scientific they are about nutrition. Basically Bryan nailed it though. Your body's first choice of fuel is always glycogen/carbs. It is the easiest to convert to ATP or usable energy. After that your body moves to fat. There are several more steps in the conversion of fat to ATP, so it takes more energy just in the conversion. For those trying to lose weight its a bonus because not only are you burning fat stores but it's taking calories just to convert the fat to ATP. This is the beauty of a no/very low carbohydrate diet (ketogenic). So yes at first you are going to feel very sluggish. Your body is adjusting to a new fuel source, but in time your energy levels even out and you're fine. Now my morning hunger is probably a bit mental and could be cured by downing a couple glasses of water.
So at my current rate I should be 160 by the end of this month (we'll see how well I check myself on the weekends) and then I'll be moving to fasted workouts for anything under 90 minutes. I'm a big believer of hitting a plateau before switching things up or adding things.
Scott, i find it easier to keep control on the weekends, i have time to prepare proper foods and just generally maintain a more busy schedule to where i don't have time to eat garbage, like when i am sitting in my office. I actually have to remind myself to eat and drink properly on the weekends. They are my best weight loss days. Of course they are also the days where i go long in my workouts or double up, so the combined affect really helps me.
See I'm more regimented on the weekdays. Same thing for breakfast, snacks, left overs for lunch, etc. The weekends we run so many darn errands that I find myself outside of the house come lunch time or getting back to the house so late in the evening that making dinner isn't a top priority. It's just poor planning on my part. |
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2012-01-06 9:01 AM in reply to: #3974472 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED triguy1043 - 2012-01-06 9:11 AM Hey all hope everyone is doing great and having good training!! I have a question I am curious about everyones occupation, and how we find so much time to talk on here, train, and be family people. I am a Phyiscal Education teacher at a Deaf school in NY. Have 2 kids (4 1/2 & 2)
I am a mom of 4 (12,10,8,3), girl scout leader, boy scout leader (with community positions in both), and chauffeur, Oh, and I have a 'real' paying job too as the veterinary internal medicine specialist in a busy general practice! I field phone calls 24/7 and am always 'on duty'. Just like Rudy, I feel dinners with family is super important and make that a priority. I am also home everyday to help with the endless hours of homework. Getting up at 5 is the norm to do what needs to be done training wise. |
2012-01-06 9:05 AM in reply to: #3974512 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 9:28 AM honestly i am hooked on sugar. i love eating and eating sugar (did i mention i love sugar). i am not looking to lose a lot of weight but a few pounds wouldn't hurt. i will try training in a fasted state to see if it helps me improve my training/racing. i guess the reason i feel like i have a drop in energy about 40 mins into run is because i have stuffed carbs down my throat before i started. question- when you start, do you just train through that low energy feeling for as long as you can? You need to read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all |
2012-01-06 9:05 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED My weekday food intake is the most regimented as I pre-pack all of my food for the week on Sunday and bring it all into the office Monday morning. Then i just work through it until Friday it's all gone, repeat. |
2012-01-06 9:06 AM in reply to: #3974577 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:53 AM Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
Missed this one. They're fast and furious this morning. Agree x1000000. We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting. I know I've been guilty of both. |
2012-01-06 9:16 AM in reply to: #3974619 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2012-01-06 8:06 AM Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:53 AM Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
Missed this one. They're fast and furious this morning. Agree x1000000. We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting. I know I've been guilty of both. Yep. I've done 8 hour, 160 mile rides and never came close to a clinical bonk. Sure I was beat, but there's a big difference. ...and don't get me started on AG'ers "overtraining"! Edited by bryancd 2012-01-06 9:20 AM |
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2012-01-06 9:22 AM in reply to: #3974607 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED DDVMM - 2012-01-06 10:01 AM triguy1043 - 2012-01-06 9:11 AM Hey all hope everyone is doing great and having good training!! I have a question I am curious about everyones occupation, and how we find so much time to talk on here, train, and be family people. I am a Phyiscal Education teacher at a Deaf school in NY. Have 2 kids (4 1/2 & 2)
I am a mom of 4 (12,10,8,3), girl scout leader, boy scout leader (with community positions in both), and chauffeur, Oh, and I have a 'real' paying job too as the veterinary internal medicine specialist in a busy general practice! I field phone calls 24/7 and am always 'on duty'. Just like Rudy, I feel dinners with family is super important and make that a priority. I am also home everyday to help with the endless hours of homework. Getting up at 5 is the norm to do what needs to be done training wise. I'm a commercial litigation attorney in Hartford, CT. I spend all day playing on the computer (and sitting on the phone). I general have 2 training session per day. I do the bigger one in the morning to get it out of the way and I get the second one done in mid afternoon (if its a swim) or later night when I get home (if its bike). I have a super supportive husband although the issue of when we will have kids is well, an issue. |
2012-01-06 9:23 AM in reply to: #3974613 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2012-01-06 10:05 AM gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 9:28 AM honestly i am hooked on sugar. i love eating and eating sugar (did i mention i love sugar). i am not looking to lose a lot of weight but a few pounds wouldn't hurt. i will try training in a fasted state to see if it helps me improve my training/racing. i guess the reason i feel like i have a drop in energy about 40 mins into run is because i have stuffed carbs down my throat before i started. question- when you start, do you just train through that low energy feeling for as long as you can? You need to read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all
This is a phenomenal article, one of the best i have ever read. I think EVERYONE should read this and then make their own opinion. After Kelly sent it to me the first time I actually printed it out and re-read it on occasion and have handed it out to friends.
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2012-01-06 9:25 AM in reply to: #3974654 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:16 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-06 8:06 AM Yep. I've done 8 hour, 160 mile rides and never came close to a clinical bonk. Sure I was beat, but there's a big difference. ...and don't get me started on AG'ers "overtraining"!Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:53 AM Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
Missed this one. They're fast and furious this morning. Agree x1000000. We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting. I know I've been guilty of both.
Please do, i have time to read today, i would like to hear your take. How about we also get it going on crank length. Edited by Rudedog55 2012-01-06 9:25 AM |
2012-01-06 9:26 AM in reply to: #3974654 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:16 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-06 8:06 AM Yep. I've done 8 hour, 160 mile rides and never came close to a clinical bonk. Sure I was beat, but there's a big difference. ...and don't get me started on AG'ers "overtraining"!Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:53 AM Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
Missed this one. They're fast and furious this morning. Agree x1000000. We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting. I know I've been guilty of both. I think Bryan's actually raising a really good point (and one that I totally agree with -- miracle). Overtraining occurs at huge amounts of volume and intensity that the vast majortity of amateurs can't get to. Now can you do training that your body is not ready for and set yourself up for injury, of course. Can you do training that results in an overuse injury, certainly. Can you train at volume/intensity that wipes you out and make you want to take a nap at your desk every after, yes. But to clinically "overtrain" is whole different level. Edited by kaburns1214 2012-01-06 9:38 AM |
2012-01-06 9:29 AM in reply to: #3974675 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:25 AM Please do, i have time to read today, i would like to hear your take. How about we also get it going on crank length. Kelly just did above and I don't have time to post more, I have to go lift weights.. |
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2012-01-06 9:37 AM in reply to: #3974677 |
Veteran 446 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2012-01-06 9:26 AM bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:16 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-06 8:06 AM Yep. I've done 8 hour, 160 mile rides and never came close to a clinical bonk. Sure I was beat, but there's a big difference. ...and don't get me started on AG'ers "overtraining"!Rudedog55 - 2012-01-06 8:53 AM Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.
Missed this one. They're fast and furious this morning. Agree x1000000. We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting. I know I've been guilty of both. I think Bryan's actually raising a really good point (and one that I totally agree with -- miracle). Overtraining occurs at huge amounts of volume and intensity that the vast majortity of amateurs can't get to. Now can you do training that your body is not ready for and set yourself up for injury, of course. Can do training that results in an overuse injury, certainly. Can you train at volume/intensity that wipes you out and make you want to take a nap at your desk every after, yes. But to clinically "overtrain" is whole different level. i always believe your body can handle most anything you put it through if you allow it to adapt. i like to exercise and i dont like to take time off. SO- where is the fine line between properly recovering and over-training?? |
2012-01-06 9:37 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Ok, so I have some tri-related goodies that are looking for a good forever home. I'm willing to send them to you for free so long as you promise to use them and take good care of them. Let me know if you're interested: Giro Advantage 2 Aero Helmet in Large / Extra Large
Giro 2 Advantage Helmet in Small / Medium SRAM Red Compact Crank for a BB30 Bottom Bracket (the crank has one ride on it. I used it once before I swapped out the SRAM crank for the Quark)
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2012-01-06 9:39 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
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2012-01-06 9:40 AM in reply to: #3974708 |
Veteran 446 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2012-01-06 9:37 AM Ok, so I have some tri-related goodies that are looking for a good forever home. I'm willing to send them to you for free so long as you promise to use them and take good care of them. Let me know if you're interested: Giro Advantage 2 Aero Helmet in Large / Extra Large
Giro 2 Advantage Helmet in Small / Medium SRAM Red Compact Crank for a BB30 Bottom Bracket (the crank has one ride on it. I used it once before I swapped out the SRAM crank for the Quark)
i am looking at new helmets. i would give it a great home. i would be willing to pay for it. |
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