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2012-01-06 9:40 AM
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I'm unemployed, let go at the end of August after almost 20 years as a restaurant general manager. But I'm not interviewing anywhere...I'm in the process of buying my own restaurant (if I can get this one landlord to come to her senses). 

So I have nothing but time, with lots of interruptions at weird times for stuff pulling me away to get the deal done.

That said, I've NEVER been a morning workout person. Not sure I would know how to go about it. I enjoy running at 1 or 2 in the afternoon, biking at that time when the weather allows, or hitting the pool when it's not busy. If I show up to the pool and it's busy, I leave and go do something else. I have been enjoying the boot camp workouts the past month and a half, though. The number of people at this gym are tiny, so it's much more like one on one instruction for that hour. 

I guess I'm the most "casual" of this group when it comes to training. 



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gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 8:37 AM
SO- where is the fine line between properly recovering and over-training??



The point is that it's not a fine line, it's a vast chasm. Start trining 25-30 hours per week and you might get closer, otherwise don't confuse general fatigue with clinical overtraining.
2012-01-06 9:43 AM
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Kelly, what crank length is that Sram? I'm building up a cross bike and am gathering parts. (Oh, actually a friend is hand building the frame for me, does really nice work.)
2012-01-06 9:43 AM
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I am a stay at home mom to 4 young children - ages 6, 5, 3, and 22 mos.  I get one of my workouts in at 5:00 a.m.  Sometimes I'll slip a run in during the afternoon, when the younger kids are napping.  I go to the gym 2 nights a week (right after dinner) and lift and swim.  My swim almost always suffers because I don't have time to get to the gym as often as I'd like to go.  Things always come up in the evenings - sick kids, activities, etc.  It's easier for me to swim in the summer, when I have more help with the kids.  For now, it's just me.  I'll run more with the jogger stroller once it gets nice outside.  My husband's cousin is also giving me a really nice 2 seater bike trailer for my bike, and I plan on commuting to preschool with the younger 2 in tow. 
2012-01-06 9:45 AM
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I used Christmas money to sign up for all my 2012 races.  Exciting stuff
2012-01-06 9:48 AM
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i am an optometrist.  i am able to get on the computer in the morning and then throughout the day depending on patient flow.  i take thurs afternoons off and i work sat morning until about 11.  sat are usually busy but i will give those up when my kids start to get into sports. 

i have a 6 yr boy and 3 yr old girl.  i try to spend as much time with my kids as possible in the evenings.  most of my training is during lunch.  i would like to start training more in the mornings but i like to relax at night with my wife after the kids go to bed and i dont get to sleep before 10:30 very often and getting up at 5:30 doesn't happen.  i will start getting up early when i start training for IMFL.



2012-01-06 9:50 AM
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gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 10:37 AM
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Amateur athletes very seldom if ever bonk, that is another Tri myth, the fact of the matter is that we as amateurs for the most part, cannot go hard or long enough to run out of fuel to the point to where our bodies shut down non-vital operating systems to keep us alive, which is a bonk. We may cramp up, we may dehydrate, we may get light headed from over exertion/heating and think we will pass out, many other things, but you will more than 98% likely not bonk.

 

Missed this one.  They're fast and furious this morning.  Agree x1000000.  We non pros either have poor race planning or fail to realize the amount of training it takes to pull off what it is we are attempting.  I know I've been guilty of both.

Yep. I've done 8 hour, 160 mile rides and never came close to a clinical bonk. Sure I was beat, but there's a big difference. ...and don't get me started on AG'ers "overtraining"!

I think Bryan's actually raising a really good point (and one that I totally agree with -- miracle).  Overtraining occurs at huge amounts of volume and intensity that the vast majortity of amateurs can't get to.  Now can you do training that your body is not ready for and set yourself up for injury, of course.  Can do training that results in an overuse injury, certainly.  Can you train at volume/intensity that wipes you out and make you want to take a nap at your desk every after, yes.  But to clinically "overtrain" is whole different level. 

i always believe your body can handle most anything you put it through if you allow it to adapt.  i like to exercise and i dont like to take time off.  SO- where is the fine line between properly recovering and over-training??

There's a difference between periodizing your training so that you get the biggest positive effect from the stress you're putting on your body and overtraining.  What periodization entails is building your volume over a set amount of time and then dialing back the training for a set amount of time to allow your body to recover, so that you "absorb" the effect of the training.  This works on a macro, meso and micro scale. 

On the marco scale, your yearly plan should allow for some period of total down time when your body can recover from all the stress you placed on it over the season.  This is a time to relax and to allow nagging injuries to heal.   For me this took place in the two weeks after IMFL. 

On the meso scale when planning your training you should look to build for 2-3 weeks and then to rest for a week.  The rest week is not total rest but rather a reduction and volume from the previous 2-3 weeks.  This allows your body to absorb the training you've put it through.  Right now my average weekly volume is about 16-18 hours, during a rest week my volume will go down to about 10 hours.  Rest weeks are also good weeks to do fitness tests or to race because your body has had some time to recover.

On the micro scale you should look to plan your workouts so that you don't put intense sesions back to back (e.g. hill repeats on the run on Tuesday night following by an LT ride on Wednesday morning).  By allowing yourself some rest and recovery between intense efforts you're able to make the hard workouts hard.  This doesn't mean no training, it just means that your key intense sessions should be seperated. 

If you don't give yourself these rest periods in your trainings a few things will likely happen: (1) you make injuries more likely.  when you train you canuse micro tears in your soft tissue, you need to give your body a chance to repair these; (2) the quality of your workouts will go down.  You'll be tired and dragging (not over trained just tired and dragging); which will result in lower quality workouts; and (3) you're going to plateau quicker because your body doesn't have any time to capitalize on its gains. 

Overtraining is completely different animal.  Its essentially when you train to such a volume and intensity that your body starts shutting down.  This occurs at 35-40+ hours per week of training, its not a place most AGers can go. 

2012-01-06 9:52 AM
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Even the concept of peoridization is being challenged as more research is done on endurance training. Meaning it seems it matter less what and when we do and more that we JUST DO IT consistently.

I think it's a very exciting time to be in endurance sports as so many of the myths of the past decade seem to be going by the way side and we are getting back to the more basic stuff and protocols that people like my mom used to used to train with to great effect.

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@ Steve - I'll ask Shaun on the crank length

@ Jason - which helmet?  Let me know which one and an address and I'll send it off.  It'l lbe good for IMFL.

2012-01-06 9:55 AM
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bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:52 AM Even the concept of peoridization is being challenged as more research is done on endurance training. Meaning it seems it matter less what and when we do and more that we JUST DO IT consistently. I think it's a very exciting time to be in endurance sports as so many of the myths of the past decade seem to be going by the way side and we are getting back to the more basic stuff and protocols that people like my mom used to used to train with to great effect.

This should be every triathlete's motto.

2012-01-06 9:59 AM
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I had a weight lifting buddy that used to say "There is no overtraining just undereating."  Pretty spot on if you think about it.  Overtraining is very much a misused term.  It's kind of become a catch all.  If I recall correctly overtraining has more to do with your central nervous system than it does with your muscular system.  So can a beginner, lets say, train at too high of a volume for what his muscular system and endurance systems can handle?  Yep.  Is it over training?  No.


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bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:52 AM Even the concept of peoridization is being challenged as more research is done on endurance training. Meaning it seems it matter less what and when we do and more that we JUST DO IT consistently. I think it's a very exciting time to be in endurance sports as so many of the myths of the past decade seem to be going by the way side and we are getting back to the more basic stuff and protocols that people like my mom used to used to train with to great effect.

This should be every triathlete's motto.



It would be but Nike stole it.
2012-01-06 10:02 AM
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bryancd - 2012-01-06 10:52 AM Even the concept of peoridization is being challenged as more research is done on endurance training. Meaning it seems it matter less what and when we do and more that we JUST DO IT consistently. I think it's a very exciting time to be in endurance sports as so many of the myths of the past decade seem to be going by the way side and we are getting back to the more basic stuff and protocols that people like my mom used to used to train with to great effect.

This should be every triathlete's motto.

It would be but Nike stole it.

how about just "CONSISTENCY"

2012-01-06 10:03 AM
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That's the winner...literally.
2012-01-06 10:05 AM
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ok peeps, i gotta get some work done, this was a great chat this morning and i still cannot believe that Bryan, Kelly and I all agreed on something, other than Bryan and I agreeing that Kelly is wrong......LOLOLOLO

 

Kelly knows i love her.

 

Have a great day all

2012-01-06 10:21 AM
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Holy Sh*t.  it's been quiet the past couple days, and today, I log on, and there are 4 pages to read.  Great info everyone.  Thanks for sharing.

I work in the isnurance industry, specifically selling comemrcial insurance products for businesses in CT, RI, MA.  I do some personal insurance, but I'd say that's about 5% of my day.

Married, two sons, (7 & 4), and 90% of my training is done at 5am. It's hard to take off on the family when you get home, leaving all the duties to the spouse.  So If it all gets done before everyone wakes, I don't have to hear about it! The "I want this gear, and I want that gear", well, I have to hear about the cost of it all. 



2012-01-06 10:40 AM
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Kelly,

Just got a new Giro Advantage 2 for Christmas but thanks for the offer!! I have not ridden with it yet I would look silly in my basement with it on!!

My traininig is very similar to alot of yours 6:00 am swims 2 days a week, the good part is I started a triathlete swim program at my school and have 15 others to swim with and better yet  my sister and I split swim time and lifeguard time so I make $300 a month to swim!!

Running & Cyling takes place where it fits in usally after school or at 9:30 at night.

Weekends I am out of the house and back before the family wakes up untill I have to start doing 5 hour rides. Then I will be back for lunch!

 

 

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what is your temp cutoff for train outdoors in the morning?
2012-01-06 10:49 AM
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gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 10:45 AM what is your temp cutoff for train outdoors in the morning?

My temp cut off below 10 degrees then its to the treadmill

Check out this link is this a smart thing to do what will the effects be on the body?

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/01/news/wisconsin-firefighter-out-to-break-iron-distance-record_45794

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gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 11:45 AM what is your temp cutoff for train outdoors in the morning?

Running is single digits, biking when it is no longer dark, swimming...well....i don't really swim, more of a pathetic attempt at not drowning.

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Are we playing the "what do you do" game?

I'm a program manager for software development at Hewlett-Packard and I have the (dis)advantage of working from home every day.  I also serve as the animal wrangler and facilities manager at "Maison du Hérisson."  You guys can ask Kelly what that means. 

 

@Steve:  The crank arm length is 172.5.  Just remember that it is a BB30 which requires a larger bottom bracket shell than standard.




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triguy1043 - 2012-01-06 11:49 AM

gabrelsj - 2012-01-06 10:45 AM what is your temp cutoff for train outdoors in the morning?

My temp cut off below 10 degrees then its to the treadmill

Check out this link is this a smart thing to do what will the effects be on the body?

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/01/news/wisconsin-firefighter-out-to-break-iron-distance-record_45794

There's no way you can race 27 iron distance races in a year.  But to just complete them -- I think that totally possible. 

2012-01-06 11:51 AM
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Kelly - If no one has claimed the small helmet, I'd love to give it a good home.
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Now that I got that helmet post out of the way (I was rushing)...

I teach geology at a local college and am currently on winter break.  No kids, just a husband and two dogs, and no plans for kids any time soon (I'm only 28).

During the semester I still have a lot of flexibility in my schedule and often have something on the computer in the background.  I have a feeling it will be BT most of the time this spring!

I also got that weird message for the fasted cardio link, but you guys have explained it well.  I'll have to try it.

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Wow I missed a lot the last few hours!

Kelly - I like Karen's idea of the etched pint glass for the awards for your race - I was thinking along the same lines as that myself before I saw her suggestion.

Karen - that's exciting about Vineman! I'm usually up there every year to cheer/volunteer so hopefully I'll see you.

I actually also work at Wells Fargo (small world Bryan!) I do business/marketing strategy out of one of our main San Francisco corporate offices. Work a normal 9-5 but I'm not a morning person and since we don't have kids yet I get most of my training done in the evening and on weekends. I'll swim in the early morning but don't do well trying to run in the am. My body needs a bit of time to wake up and get moving.

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