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 2014-12-03 11:38 AM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master  6595     Rio Rancho, NM |  Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered)Originally posted by 4agoodlife Happy Wednesday, Pod. Thanks for all the race discussion yesterday. It's just what I needed! In limbo, yet again. Toe was just healing up so I could get back to my regular routine... and then I slid/bounced off the trail on our ride Saturday morning. Left hand is the worst right now, though yesterday had some major improvement. I wanted to do a year-end HM, but that's not going to happen. So I'm starting over for next year and going in two month increments. Another piece of limbo is, now that IMAZ is over, J is back on the job prowl. For now I'm looking at: Jan 10 12 Hours in the Papago, Jan 24 Coldwater Rumble 20k trail run, Feb 7 Casa Grande HM (and if we wanted to be really romantic, J and I could do a 50k trail relay on Feb 14 This was my hand two days ago...and, no, it doesn't usually look like that
Do we need to wrap you in bubble wrap too?!?!?!?!?!? |
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| 2014-12-03 11:43 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 3870  | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Trying to be positive... Stopped in at SBux this morning to drown my sorrows (and jump start my decline in to overweight depression) in a dirty eggnog chai. Positive note: I introduced the drink to the barista and the lady in line behind me. Headed to Ft. Collins this weekend to see one of our hockey boys play. Downside: I was going to check out my marathon route while there. Can still walk with a slight limp. Interstingly, I wore boots today to hide my compression socks and the boot seems to make it easier to walk... please do not join me in overweight depression, it is, well, depressing!! Glad you can walk, but maybe go to a sports med guy just to make sure?? Haven't ruled out the sports med but waiting a few days to see how it goes. Brought my swim stuff with me but wondering if I should lay off everything for a few (couple) days. Thought swimming would help but now not sure. Wellllll, there are worse ways to kill sorrows. Do stay positive!...if for no other reason than thinking negatively only makes everything else feel worse too. Sending good vibes your way. |
| 2014-12-03 11:48 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by 4agoodlife Happy Wednesday, Pod. Thanks for all the race discussion yesterday. It's just what I needed! In limbo, yet again. Toe was just healing up so I could get back to my regular routine... and then I slid/bounced off the trail on our ride Saturday morning. Left hand is the worst right now, though yesterday had some major improvement. I wanted to do a year-end HM, but that's not going to happen. So I'm starting over for next year and going in two month increments. Another piece of limbo is, now that IMAZ is over, J is back on the job prowl. For now I'm looking at: Jan 10 12 Hours in the Papago, Jan 24 Coldwater Rumble 20k trail run, Feb 7 Casa Grande HM (and if we wanted to be really romantic, J and I could do a 50k trail relay on Feb 14 This was my hand two days ago...and, no, it doesn't usually look like that
Do we need to wrap you in bubble wrap too?!?!?!?!?!? J asked what I wanted for Christmas. I told him a Zorb. Think that's close enough. hehe |
| 2014-12-03 11:49 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by cdban66 Thanks Chris, you are always so encouraging and supportive; it i, s a pleasure to be in the same support group as you This time of year always makes me look back at the year in a retrospective light. It has been an interesting one, without a doubt. I should hit 1000 miles on the bike and could hit 575 running. This is a little less than last year, but after the ankle mess I had early in the year, I am quite happy with these numbers. More than that, this year has been another year that I am grateful to have a group of friends that continue to encourage and support each others athletic goals and accomplishments. But not only the athletic side, but even more so, the encouragement to be a better person. You all have been a blessing and for that I want to say "Thank You" from the bottom of my heart!  Looking back at my numbers I am surprised to see even with my lock down/s I have run more miles than last year. Although, I guess that makes sense since my shoulder shut me out of biking and swimming the first part of July, so I had more time to run. I am looking forward to figuring out what my race schedule will be next year. I'm already planning on more trail races and there is a little voice in my head trying to talk me into doing another marathon. I'm ignoring now!! We should all post our tentative race schedules (including long shot stuff we are only kind of considering) and talk about it together. I think it would be cool to see what everyone is thinking about. Oooh, this is a good opportunity to run something by you all (y'all). A friend asked if I'd be interested in doing a HM in Moab in March. My niece is doing the same race. My training schedule that weekend is a 15k race simulation and a 17 mile easy run. The travel timing may not be great, with DS2's graduation from basic in the same timeframe. I really want to do right by my marathon training but not sure I can find the right distances for the race sims. Thoughts? As for the rest of the season... no idea. My sole focus is my Marathon in May. You mean 15K race on a sat and then an easy 17-miler on Sunday? If so, that would totally work. I'd do the HM in Lieu of the 15K simulation and shoot for 15-17 the next day. Do you have experience with big days in a row btw? Which day is the Moab race? And is that 15k sim at Marathon pace? w/u & c/d on each end of it too? Yeah, yeah, good questions...I would assume by the term "simulation" unless of course you are just simulating racing, as in the act of an all out effort for a given race distance in race attire. I am curious what plan this is. If it really is two days, one being race sim and the next being long run it seems pretty advanced. It's solid training but double days like that took me two marathon cycles to be able to do. It's hard. Right now I'm not accostomed to big days back to back like that. I start the new plan later this month. I guess he calls them "tune up" races. There are three of them 2, 4 and six weeks before the goal race. The plan is Pfitzinger's Advanced Marathoning. From what I understand, you can do a tune up race one of three ways
Yes. This is true. In the Pfitz plan, he intends the tune-ups to get you race experience and get a view of your fitness, which means they are meant to be raced and not run at M pace. The M pacing generally falls in large chunks during a long run and those are throughout the plan.
Are we all looking at the same thing? I see here for no better reason than that's what Google came up with. And it says 8-15k or 8-10k at 2, 4 and 6 weeks out, not an outright 15k. From a quick look over this link it sounds like the intention is closer to threshold than m-pace, so it's going to be hard. I would lean towards the shorter end as even that is still likely to be somewhat near or even over 40 minutes. The variation in distance would seem to be allowing for different running abilities. Truly fast people will cover the longer distance in 45-50 minutes near threshold pace. Also, still hadn't seen clarification on which day the Moab HM is on. It's possible to it on either, but would have notably different strategies depending on the day, and what comes of the target effort. What I am speaking to is specifically a tune-up race. As I understand it, Pfitz's tune-up (and really, any tune-up I would recommend) is about getting you race ready (dealing with nerves, pacing, attire, fuel, etc etc) and checking in on where your fitness is (vdot in the case of daniels.) If you run a 10K (or 15, or HM etc) at M pace, it's not really going to tell you anything about your fitness other than your ability to hold M pace for X amount of miles. Which you don't really need a race to tell you.... As for the schedule you referenced, yeah, it appears that 15K is a LT run, not a race. But I don't have my book in front of me either so I am not sure. So, where I mentioned that I was planning on racing my HM to check fitness level, that is what you advise. But where I said that I was then going to use the results of that race to get my race pace for the Mara and to trial it out on the 20 miler, you wouldn't recommend? |
| 2014-12-03 11:51 AM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by cdban66 So far... 8/3/15 half Mara. 29/3/15 20 mile race. 19/4/15. Marathon. Gunning for a sub 3:30. Flat course, about 25m total elev gain, so should be doable. Depends on weather as it's a coastal marathon. May, family hols. July Long Course Weekend Tenby. Possibly only do the half marathon instead of full, or may run full conservatively. Aug Possibly look for a hilly HIM Distance. Sept IM Wales Oct (Hopefully) Bask in my achievements Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by cdban66 Thanks Chris, you are always so encouraging and supportive; it is a pleasure to be in the same support group as you This time of year always makes me look back at the year in a retrospective light. It has been an interesting one, without a doubt. I should hit 1000 miles on the bike and could hit 575 running. This is a little less than last year, but after the ankle mess I had early in the year, I am quite happy with these numbers. More than that, this year has been another year that I am grateful to have a group of friends that continue to encourage and support each others athletic goals and accomplishments. But not only the athletic side, but even more so, the encouragement to be a better person. You all have been a blessing and for that I want to say "Thank You" from the bottom of my heart! Looking back at my numbers I am surprised to see even with my lock down/s I have run more miles than last year. Although, I guess that makes sense since my shoulder shut me out of biking and swimming the first part of July, so I had more time to run. I am looking forward to figuring out what my race schedule will be next year. I'm already planning on more trail races and there is a little voice in my head trying to talk me into doing another marathon. I'm ignoring now!! We should all post our tentative race schedules (including long shot stuff we are only kind of considering) and talk about it together. I think it would be cool to see what everyone is thinking about. Yikes, I am barely able to get through the next month, I'm not sure about next year's races and beyond. ETA: I had to go back to this, because now you got me thinking. Darn You!!! Beautiful! You won't go into that Mary under-raced, that is for sure! I think those races are all spaced nicely but don't burn yourself out. Are you planning on "A" race type of caliber on the HM and 20-miler or is it going to be more of a progression into the full? I'm thinking race the HM as a predictor for Mara pace. Then use that pace in the 20 miler to test for the full. All races are held at roughly the same location, by the same company, so I should be able to iron out any probs. I've just finished week 12 of base training at the moment. Looking at doing another 4 week block of hill prep followed by 2x3 weeks of speed prep in to 10 weeks Mara specific training. I think I may well exceed the 3:30 target judging by my progress recently, but I'm not counting my chickens. Will see closer to the day and ask for advice closer to the day. Here's the post again, to make it easier to understand what I mean, hopefully. |
| 2014-12-03 11:56 AM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Fallen off the fitness wagon the past two days, damn you yearly accounts. Good job it's a recovery week. Back on it tomorrow. |
| 2014-12-03 11:57 AM in reply to: 0 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by Asalzwed So, where I mentioned that I was planning on racing my HM to check fitness level, that is what you advise. But where I said that I was then going to use the results of that race to get my race pace for the Mara and to trial it out on the 20 miler, you wouldn't recommend? Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by cdban66 Thanks Chris, you are always so encouraging and supportive; it i, s a pleasure to be in the same support group as you This time of year always makes me look back at the year in a retrospective light. It has been an interesting one, without a doubt. I should hit 1000 miles on the bike and could hit 575 running. This is a little less than last year, but after the ankle mess I had early in the year, I am quite happy with these numbers. More than that, this year has been another year that I am grateful to have a group of friends that continue to encourage and support each others athletic goals and accomplishments. But not only the athletic side, but even more so, the encouragement to be a better person. You all have been a blessing and for that I want to say "Thank You" from the bottom of my heart! Looking back at my numbers I am surprised to see even with my lock down/s I have run more miles than last year. Although, I guess that makes sense since my shoulder shut me out of biking and swimming the first part of July, so I had more time to run. I am looking forward to figuring out what my race schedule will be next year. I'm already planning on more trail races and there is a little voice in my head trying to talk me into doing another marathon. I'm ignoring now!! We should all post our tentative race schedules (including long shot stuff we are only kind of considering) and talk about it together. I think it would be cool to see what everyone is thinking about. Oooh, this is a good opportunity to run something by you all (y'all). A friend asked if I'd be interested in doing a HM in Moab in March. My niece is doing the same race. My training schedule that weekend is a 15k race simulation and a 17 mile easy run. The travel timing may not be great, with DS2's graduation from basic in the same timeframe. I really want to do right by my marathon training but not sure I can find the right distances for the race sims. Thoughts? As for the rest of the season... no idea. My sole focus is my Marathon in May. You mean 15K race on a sat and then an easy 17-miler on Sunday? If so, that would totally work. I'd do the HM in Lieu of the 15K simulation and shoot for 15-17 the next day. Do you have experience with big days in a row btw? Which day is the Moab race? And is that 15k sim at Marathon pace? w/u & c/d on each end of it too? Yeah, yeah, good questions...I would assume by the term "simulation" unless of course you are just simulating racing, as in the act of an all out effort for a given race distance in race attire. I am curious what plan this is. If it really is two days, one being race sim and the next being long run it seems pretty advanced. It's solid training but double days like that took me two marathon cycles to be able to do. It's hard. Right now I'm not accostomed to big days back to back like that. I start the new plan later this month. I guess he calls them "tune up" races. There are three of them 2, 4 and six weeks before the goal race. The plan is Pfitzinger's Advanced Marathoning. From what I understand, you can do a tune up race one of three ways
Yes. This is true. In the Pfitz plan, he intends the tune-ups to get you race experience and get a view of your fitness, which means they are meant to be raced and not run at M pace. The M pacing generally falls in large chunks during a long run and those are throughout the plan.
Are we all looking at the same thing? I see here for no better reason than that's what Google came up with. And it says 8-15k or 8-10k at 2, 4 and 6 weeks out, not an outright 15k. From a quick look over this link it sounds like the intention is closer to threshold than m-pace, so it's going to be hard. I would lean towards the shorter end as even that is still likely to be somewhat near or even over 40 minutes. The variation in distance would seem to be allowing for different running abilities. Truly fast people will cover the longer distance in 45-50 minutes near threshold pace. Also, still hadn't seen clarification on which day the Moab HM is on. It's possible to it on either, but would have notably different strategies depending on the day, and what comes of the target effort. What I am speaking to is specifically a tune-up race. As I understand it, Pfitz's tune-up (and really, any tune-up I would recommend) is about getting you race ready (dealing with nerves, pacing, attire, fuel, etc etc) and checking in on where your fitness is (vdot in the case of daniels.) If you run a 10K (or 15, or HM etc) at M pace, it's not really going to tell you anything about your fitness other than your ability to hold M pace for X amount of miles. Which you don't really need a race to tell you.... As for the schedule you referenced, yeah, it appears that 15K is a LT run, not a race. But I don't have my book in front of me either so I am not sure. Let me first make sure I get what you are saying. Run HM as a race for fitness check, using #s to estimate M pace Run 20 miler at M pace in prep for marathon?
I definitely agree with the HM race and using those numbers to determine M pace. For the 20 miler I think you could do a few different things. Personally, I would probably do a chunk of it at M pace (not all of it.) I think the distance (20 miles) is too long and too close to the actual M to go all out, or even to do the entire thing at M. I've not seen any recommendations to do that long of an M pace run so I imagine it takes more than it gives, fitness wise. Edited by Asalzwed 2014-12-03 11:59 AM |
| 2014-12-03 12:07 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Do you have a kick board? If so, just put it between your knees for a poor man's pull buoy. Oooooh, pull buoy, didn't think of that! (and didn't bring it) But good points from both of you! I think they do have some of those at the pool How well might you be able to push off? With calf issues I've stopped or skipped it entirely if I couldn't push off like normal. Problems were much more noticeable doing this than when trying to kick. I was able to push off with one leg without too much problem. If you can't push off using the kickboard, you could just try starting without a push-off. I'm thinking of trying too hard to salvage something. There are issues like scheduling and odd facilities where it can pay to be creative. With an injury, however, at some point it tends to pay off to just take it easy for a bit. When I had a hip injury, swimming with a pull-buoy was just fine. I couldn't kick as part of anything, but I could still do turns ok. With *my* calf injuries, I couldn't push off the wall. Took too much concentration away from actually swimming to execute well enough to not hurt. One leg didn't really do much as the other would cause tremendous drag, basically starting from a stop every time. With the buoy I couldn't execute the start or turn without pain as my legs would essentially be locked together. For me at least, starting from a stop at every wall seemed more like I was desperate to be active than really being a productive swim. Everyone is different there though, I guess. |
| 2014-12-03 12:10 PM in reply to: blueyedbikergirl |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Man, seeing everyone's plans for next year REALLY makes me wish I could make some! Right now my race plans for 2015 are as follows: Jan: no freakin' clue So... yeah. No a whole heckuva lot going on. Did you see Kara Goucher is headed to Austin? She'll be at Rogue Running on Thursday and a fun run at the Austin Convention Center Entrance Friday morning. |
| 2014-12-03 12:18 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Man, seeing everyone's plans for next year REALLY makes me wish I could make some! Right now my race plans for 2015 are as follows: Jan: no freakin' clue So... yeah. No a whole heckuva lot going on. Did you see Kara Goucher is headed to Austin? She'll be at Rogue Running on Thursday and a fun run at the Austin Convention Center Entrance Friday morning. Everyone is in Austin. Beer mile world championships today! You Austinites should DEFINITELY go watch. Go to the Rogue thing too if you can, she will be doing a talk. Plus rogue is a really cool shop. |
| 2014-12-03 12:19 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Do you have a kick board? If so, just put it between your knees for a poor man's pull buoy. Oooooh, pull buoy, didn't think of that! (and didn't bring it) But good points from both of you! I think they do have some of those at the pool How well might you be able to push off? With calf issues I've stopped or skipped it entirely if I couldn't push off like normal. Problems were much more noticeable doing this than when trying to kick. I was able to push off with one leg without too much problem. If you can't push off using the kickboard, you could just try starting without a push-off. I'm thinking of trying too hard to salvage something. There are issues like scheduling and odd facilities where it can pay to be creative. With an injury, however, at some point it tends to pay off to just take it easy for a bit. When I had a hip injury, swimming with a pull-buoy was just fine. I couldn't kick as part of anything, but I could still do turns ok. With *my* calf injuries, I couldn't push off the wall. Took too much concentration away from actually swimming to execute well enough to not hurt. One leg didn't really do much as the other would cause tremendous drag, basically starting from a stop every time. With the buoy I couldn't execute the start or turn without pain as my legs would essentially be locked together. For me at least, starting from a stop at every wall seemed more like I was desperate to be active than really being a productive swim. Everyone is different there though, I guess. Good points. Maybe I'll resist my training OCD and take *gasp* a couple unplanned days off and see where I am after that. We're traveling this weekend so that will help distract me. Getting to the weekend, and seeing the race course, could pose difficult |
| 2014-12-03 12:20 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Man, seeing everyone's plans for next year REALLY makes me wish I could make some! Right now my race plans for 2015 are as follows: Jan: no freakin' clue So... yeah. No a whole heckuva lot going on. Did you see Kara Goucher is headed to Austin? She'll be at Rogue Running on Thursday and a fun run at the Austin Convention Center Entrance Friday morning. Everyone is in Austin. Beer mile world championships today! You Austinites should DEFINITELY go watch. Go to the Rogue thing too if you can, she will be doing a talk. Plus rogue is a really cool shop. One of these days I'll make it to one of her fun runs in denver/boulder. |
| 2014-12-03 12:44 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Do you have a kick board? If so, just put it between your knees for a poor man's pull buoy. Oooooh, pull buoy, didn't think of that! (and didn't bring it) But good points from both of you! I think they do have some of those at the pool How well might you be able to push off? With calf issues I've stopped or skipped it entirely if I couldn't push off like normal. Problems were much more noticeable doing this than when trying to kick. I was able to push off with one leg without too much problem. If you can't push off using the kickboard, you could just try starting without a push-off. I'm thinking of trying too hard to salvage something. There are issues like scheduling and odd facilities where it can pay to be creative. With an injury, however, at some point it tends to pay off to just take it easy for a bit. When I had a hip injury, swimming with a pull-buoy was just fine. I couldn't kick as part of anything, but I could still do turns ok. With *my* calf injuries, I couldn't push off the wall. Took too much concentration away from actually swimming to execute well enough to not hurt. One leg didn't really do much as the other would cause tremendous drag, basically starting from a stop every time. With the buoy I couldn't execute the start or turn without pain as my legs would essentially be locked together. For me at least, starting from a stop at every wall seemed more like I was desperate to be active than really being a productive swim. Everyone is different there though, I guess. Yeah, you're right. Good points. I don't do flip turns and my swimming at that time was more of a "I need to do something--anything" because there was nothing else I could do. |
| 2014-12-03 12:50 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Do you have a kick board? If so, just put it between your knees for a poor man's pull buoy. Oooooh, pull buoy, didn't think of that! (and didn't bring it) But good points from both of you! I think they do have some of those at the pool How well might you be able to push off? With calf issues I've stopped or skipped it entirely if I couldn't push off like normal. Problems were much more noticeable doing this than when trying to kick. I was able to push off with one leg without too much problem. If you can't push off using the kickboard, you could just try starting without a push-off. I'm thinking of trying too hard to salvage something. There are issues like scheduling and odd facilities where it can pay to be creative. With an injury, however, at some point it tends to pay off to just take it easy for a bit. When I had a hip injury, swimming with a pull-buoy was just fine. I couldn't kick as part of anything, but I could still do turns ok. With *my* calf injuries, I couldn't push off the wall. Took too much concentration away from actually swimming to execute well enough to not hurt. One leg didn't really do much as the other would cause tremendous drag, basically starting from a stop every time. With the buoy I couldn't execute the start or turn without pain as my legs would essentially be locked together. For me at least, starting from a stop at every wall seemed more like I was desperate to be active than really being a productive swim. Everyone is different there though, I guess. Yeah, you're right. Good points. I don't do flip turns and my swimming at that time was more of a "I need to do something--anything" because there was nothing else I could do. I could/will very easily get to that point if this lasts more than a few days (hours) |
| 2014-12-03 1:51 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Do you have a kick board? If so, just put it between your knees for a poor man's pull buoy. Oooooh, pull buoy, didn't think of that! (and didn't bring it) But good points from both of you! I think they do have some of those at the pool How well might you be able to push off? With calf issues I've stopped or skipped it entirely if I couldn't push off like normal. Problems were much more noticeable doing this than when trying to kick. I was able to push off with one leg without too much problem. If you can't push off using the kickboard, you could just try starting without a push-off. I'm thinking of trying too hard to salvage something. There are issues like scheduling and odd facilities where it can pay to be creative. With an injury, however, at some point it tends to pay off to just take it easy for a bit. When I had a hip injury, swimming with a pull-buoy was just fine. I couldn't kick as part of anything, but I could still do turns ok. With *my* calf injuries, I couldn't push off the wall. Took too much concentration away from actually swimming to execute well enough to not hurt. One leg didn't really do much as the other would cause tremendous drag, basically starting from a stop every time. With the buoy I couldn't execute the start or turn without pain as my legs would essentially be locked together. For me at least, starting from a stop at every wall seemed more like I was desperate to be active than really being a productive swim. Everyone is different there though, I guess. Cheers. How about 22 km at long run pace and 10 km at M pace focusing entire race on nutrition/hydration , same kit as race day etc? |
| 2014-12-03 3:43 PM in reply to: IndoIronYanti |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? |
| 2014-12-03 3:48 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? Not a Kindle, we went for a Surface from MS. I can use the website, although it is a bit sketchy in the IE browser. This might work better: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/Mobile/ I'll have to give it a try later. |
| 2014-12-03 3:50 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? Not a Kindle, we went for a Surface from MS. I can use the website, although it is a bit sketchy in the IE browser. This might work better: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/Mobile/ I'll have to give it a try later. Yeah, that's how I look at it on my husbands Nook but I was hoping for an app. I'm lazy like that |
| 2014-12-03 4:07 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? Not a Kindle, we went for a Surface from MS. I can use the website, although it is a bit sketchy in the IE browser. This might work better: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/Mobile/ I'll have to give it a try later. Yeah, that's how I look at it on my husbands Nook but I was hoping for an app. I'm lazy like that Wellll, if you're not going to the pool or doing other training, you could spend time on the website instead to keep yourself entertained. |
| 2014-12-03 6:17 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by brigby1 Run focus all around this year, or does it just seem that way? Also seems like the answer to just about anything running is to run more hills. That which doesn't kill you ... I know someone whose motto is Train Hills, Race Flat. (edited to fix grammar) Edited by jmkizer 2014-12-03 6:18 PM |
| 2014-12-03 6:20 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by cdban66 I do! And Apopka, but as soon as you leave florida you know you haven't actually run hills!! Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by brigby1 I would love to run more hills! Please send some this wayOriginally posted by brigby1 Run focus all around this year, or does it just seem that way? Also seems like the answer to just about anything running is to run more hills. That which doesn't kill you ... Go to Clermont! My hills consist of a bridge and a parking garage. I'll take no whining from you Someone locally did a bike ride that when up every parking garage in the vicinity and did that early on a weekend morning. You could make a run every parking deck route. |
| 2014-12-03 6:21 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Trying to be positive... Stopped in at SBux this morning to drown my sorrows (and jump start my decline in to overweight depression) in a dirty eggnog chai. Positive note: I introduced the drink to the barista and the lady in line behind me. Headed to Ft. Collins this weekend to see one of our hockey boys play. Downside: I was going to check out my marathon route while there. Can still walk with a slight limp. Interstingly, I wore boots today to hide my compression socks and the boot seems to make it easier to walk... Maybe you can l scout the route in a car or on a bike. |
| 2014-12-03 6:30 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by rrrunner Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? Kindle is an Android. Can you load it from the Google Play store? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.beginnertriathlete.BTMobile Edited by jmkizer 2014-12-03 6:31 PM |
| 2014-12-03 8:36 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by jmkizer My initially was to drive most of it and run 6 miles or so. Now I guess we're just driving...Originally posted by rrrunner Trying to be positive... Stopped in at SBux this morning to drown my sorrows (and jump start my decline in to overweight depression) in a dirty eggnog chai. Positive note: I introduced the drink to the barista and the lady in line behind me. Headed to Ft. Collins this weekend to see one of our hockey boys play. Downside: I was going to check out my marathon route while there. Can still walk with a slight limp. Interstingly, I wore boots today to hide my compression socks and the boot seems to make it easier to walk... Maybe you can l scout the route in a car or on a bike. |
| 2014-12-03 8:45 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors v.2 thr.3 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by jmkizer Oddly, it has "appetite" not google play and a search isn't producing anythingOriginally posted by rrrunner Oh yeah, I finally caved in to the tablet craze and bought a Kindle Fire. Everyone's instagram pix are so much cooler on a larger screen!!!!!!!!!! I can't find the BT app on the kindle though. Anyone else have one? Kindle is an Android. Can you load it from the Google Play store? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.beginnertriathlete.BTMobile |
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