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2010-10-01 3:18 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Life's too short to work for someone else for 70 hrs/week. There's an old cliche that says "Nobody ever died wishing he'd put in more time at work."
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2010-10-01 3:30 PM in reply to: #3128083 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... KeriKadi - 2010-10-01 11:13 AM My guess is something is missing and triathlon is the scapegoat. And my guess is that it has everything to do with you both working 60-70 hour weeks and not enough downtime together. (didn't read all the pages of the thread) |
2010-10-01 3:55 PM in reply to: #3128791 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Goosedog - 2010-10-01 2:14 PM gearboy - 2010-10-01 3:11 PM brycoy - 2010-10-01 2:44 PM Well, if she wants out...that's her choice. And you stay focused, that's your choice. Being married doesn't mean giving up your individuality. You have to maintain some sense of "you". Let her quit, she might miss it and come back to it later. If you get out of tri's, then chances are you will have resentment towards her inside and that's not gonna work either. also, i doubt giving up tri's will save a marriage like some people on here are hinting at. it might postpone the inevitable if that's where things are heading. you have to be able to take care of yourself before you can help others. NOTHING is inevitable until it happens. The attitude that comes across in your first paragraph (which may not be how it was intended - something is always lost in translation on a board) is rather selfish - "I'll do what I want. You're not the boss of me!". What the wife may be saying (and the OP needs to talk TO HER to be sure) is not that she wants him to stop training just because she wants to stop racing. It is more likely she is giving him the warning that things are not rosy in marriage-ville. If she quits, and he just throws himself even more in the training, it will be very bad for the marriage, since her goal is not to have him isolate himself more, but to connect more. It is not a matter of just saying "well, if I give up triathlon, then the marriage is saved". It is a matter of saying "triathlons" (or whatever else may be sucking up time/energy/attention) is having a detrimental effect on the intimacy of the relationship (in the emotional, not neccesarily physical sense). So the marriage is already experiencing some damage that now needs attention. . . . or she could have just had a bad day. Which is true, but I think the bad day just made her finally express feelings that were already there. |
2010-10-01 4:06 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Karl, Dave, Marilyn, Tracy, Haley, et al. |
2010-10-01 4:09 PM in reply to: #3128778 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... tracyhmcd - 2010-10-01 2:10 PM Now, we're 28 & 29 yrs old, no kids, and both work between 60-70 hours a week. There are companies that do not make you work 60-70 hours and actually encourage a 40 hour week. In the long run there are other career options - lotsa companies in Houston would love your skills and not make you go away for 2+ months. That might go a long way toward helping. If I worked that much I wouldn't have the energy to train for anything... I'm keeping my eyes open. The (sort of) good news is that Calgary is one of the possibilites for location that we might move to for a few years. It's certainly higher on my list than Tokyo! |
2010-10-01 5:21 PM in reply to: #3128755 |
New user 900 , | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-01 1:57 PM Once again, thanks for the comments. I've got another meeting in a few, but a few quick responses: You would do better having this conversation with your wife than with those of us on COJ. I imagine she would be disappointed to know that you aired this (a private ?) matter on an internet forum. |
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2010-10-01 5:38 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Andrew - I don't know much about your job situation (I must have missed those threads) but you said that you were offered a different job with the same pay and your wife didn't want you to take it. Why? Did it involve a relocation that she was not up for? Is it becasue she would still be working the same hours? Would there be a reduction in your hours? I mean, if you have a reduced workload and she does not, then you could get your workouts in while she was not yet home and by the time she got home, you could be ready to apply that time to spending quality moments together. My wife and I have a rule. 30 minutes to talk about work. That's it. Me talking about my work or her talking about hers is not a way to enjoy each others company. It is most likely a rant session, which is what your friends are for (or your CoJ). My wife is also a member of the Board of Directors for our charity. We reserve one hour per week to discuss foundation business outside of Board meetings. Otherwise it would dominate our time. Anyway - I agree with the others that it is time for a sit down and a discussion about issues and expectations from the marriage. I am very confused as to why she didn't want you to take a different job, however. |
2010-10-01 5:48 PM in reply to: #3129021 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-01 2:09 PM tracyhmcd - 2010-10-01 2:10 PM Now, we're 28 & 29 yrs old, no kids, and both work between 60-70 hours a week. There are companies that do not make you work 60-70 hours and actually encourage a 40 hour week. In the long run there are other career options - lotsa companies in Houston would love your skills and not make you go away for 2+ months. That might go a long way toward helping. If I worked that much I wouldn't have the energy to train for anything... I'm keeping my eyes open. The (sort of) good news is that Calgary is one of the possibilites for location that we might move to for a few years. It's certainly higher on my list than Tokyo! Dude, it's an awesome place, but it's cold there. like all the time cold. It's the anti-texas of weather. |
2010-10-01 6:22 PM in reply to: #3129176 |
Extreme Veteran 442 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Where I work, no one goes to Japan; sometimes there are short visits to Houston. 40 hour weeks are fairly standard. I'll keep my eyes open!! PS - after the coldest summer ever, it is actually quite warm here right now! Edited by tracyhmcd 2010-10-01 6:22 PM |
2010-10-01 8:30 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Veteran 549 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Obviously I dont know you even from these forums, but I found it interesting you mentioned how well your training is going and how you can get some PR's, yet of course it isnt as important as your relationship. Personally, I disagree with others on here and think that triathlons are a "stronghold" and may be at the root of the problem, especially with how many hours both of you work. Something has to give and it shouldnt be your jobs that give first. JMO. |
2010-10-01 9:42 PM in reply to: #3129149 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... NXS - 2010-10-01 5:21 PM You would do better having this conversation with your wife than with those of us on COJ. I imagine she would be disappointed to know that you aired this (a private ?) matter on an internet forum. I used to feel that way about the public forum thing. The fact is that she and I do talk and are talking specifically about this topic. But it's nice to be able to bounce my thoughts off other people to make sure I'm not losing my mind. Living in a new city without really knowing anyone else, the folks on this forum provide a good diverse community to talk to. |
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2010-10-01 9:43 PM in reply to: #3129204 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... tracyhmcd - 2010-10-01 6:22 PM Where I work, no one goes to Japan; sometimes there are short visits to Houston. 40 hour weeks are fairly standard. I'll keep my eyes open!! PS - after the coldest summer ever, it is actually quite warm here right now! Pfffft...we all know Canadians don't really work! The government takes care of all their needs and they only have 'jobs' in order to keep them busy during the day. |
2010-10-01 9:50 PM in reply to: #3129168 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... jdwright56 - 2010-10-01 5:38 PM Andrew - I don't know much about your job situation (I must have missed those threads) but you said that you were offered a different job with the same pay and your wife didn't want you to take it. Why? Did it involve a relocation that she was not up for? Is it becasue she would still be working the same hours? Would there be a reduction in your hours? I mean, if you have a reduced workload and she does not, then you could get your workouts in while she was not yet home and by the time she got home, you could be ready to apply that time to spending quality moments together. My wife and I have a rule. 30 minutes to talk about work. That's it. Me talking about my work or her talking about hers is not a way to enjoy each others company. It is most likely a rant session, which is what your friends are for (or your CoJ). My wife is also a member of the Board of Directors for our charity. We reserve one hour per week to discuss foundation business outside of Board meetings. Otherwise it would dominate our time. Anyway - I agree with the others that it is time for a sit down and a discussion about issues and expectations from the marriage. I am very confused as to why she didn't want you to take a different job, however. John, Yeah, it's difficult to explain. Officially, the reason is because the new job didn't provide the job security and long term monetary returns that the current one will. I'm about the most secure company in the US, and the benefits are really good. Very high 401k match plus an extremely generous retirement/pension payment. New job had a lower 401k match and no retirement. Unofficially, I think it was because the new job, which technically a promotion and have better hours, would leave her in the current company by herself. Why should I escape when she's stuck working 70hr weeks? She won't admit that's the truth, but I know it's true. She views work very differently and believes that we just have to suck it up and deal with it. Anyway, it's relevant to this discussion, but isn't going to be changing. She's at least admitted that she has to try to cut back on the work and has made it home no later than 7pm every night this week! Good for you and your wife for having rules about talking about work. That's tough to enforce! |
2010-10-02 12:13 AM in reply to: #3129404 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Andrew, what I find puzzling is that she rejected an opportunity for you to accept a position which will keep you home - meaning HEAPS more time together for the two of you. It seems to be okay for you to be out of the country (and apart) but while you are home she has a problem with the time apart. Am I misunderstanding something here? If time together is her priority, then why would she prioritize a retirement plan over the free-time you would gain? It's silly to weigh a retirement plan into the equation if you intend your employment with them to be short term. This negates the value of the retirement plan. So, why is it being used as justification for preventing you from doing what you think is right for your career? Is it convenient for her to have you out of the country? Edited by Renee 2010-10-02 12:20 AM |
2010-10-02 12:19 AM in reply to: #3129404 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-01 10:50 PM Unofficially, I think it was because the new job, which technically a promotion and have better hours, would leave her in the current company by herself. Why should I escape when she's stuck working 70hr weeks? Because you can. Why should BOTH of you have to suffer? And because it means you won't have to be out of the country/isolated from your wife for long periods of time. If your wife has some idea that we should all suck it up and deal with ridiculous work hours, that's fine. She can knock herself out working the hours. Why, though, does she get to impose her work ethic on you? Are you not entitled to your own work ethic? |
2010-10-02 11:41 AM in reply to: #3128044 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Well, we found a good solution at least for today. She went off and spent the morning at the spa/salon while I went out for a quick 40 mile ride! |
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2010-10-02 7:16 PM in reply to: #3129749 |
Veteran 407 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-02 12:41 PM Well, we found a good solution at least for today. She went off and spent the morning at the spa/salon while I went out for a quick 40 mile ride! But that's not time spent together??? |
2010-10-02 7:46 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Champion 6046 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... ok maybe I am missing something, but why is it you who has to do all the giving? Turning down a job opportunity and now giving up the sport she got you into. Especially since you do not have kids, I would NOT give up triathlon if that is keeping you sane. If she wants to that is her issue but a relationship is not about giving up the things you love. So I disagree with all those who say relationship first. You do not have children. If the person you are with, and have been with ergo they know this is your thing is now saying you or the sport personally I would choose sport - |
2010-10-02 8:15 PM in reply to: #3129749 |
Pro 4292 Evanston, | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-02 12:41 PM Well, we found a good solution at least for today. She went off and spent the morning at the spa/salon while I went out for a quick 40 mile ride! I like this just fine - you each got to do something you enjoy! In your original post you said you are still enjoying tri and she isn't. I think it's good for you to let her know (verbally and by your actions) that she truly truly has your support for whatever she wants to do in her free time - whether that's quitting sports for now, taking up a less time-consuming sport, or heck, vegging out with an O Magazine at the nail salon! Then work on the quality "together" time together issue. When both of your needs in the relationship are met (as much as possible given stressful work lives), then you will be able to assess how much time works for you to devote to your separate pursuits, like that spa, or tri. |
2010-10-02 9:14 PM in reply to: #3128044 |
Extreme Veteran 1112 Las Vegas | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Wife and I have been married for 26 years last July, and we have been thru the proverbial "good times and bad times". We were married in our early 30's which meant that we were independent adults and married because we wanted to, not needed to. One of the things that attracted me to her was her ability to be independent. We go to the gym and work out together, but she doesn't swim, run, or bike. I bought a tandem so we could bike together, but it hurts her back, so I bought her a little 3 wheel recumbent (she is only 4' 11"), but she still is a little jealous of my traing and racing time. She has her special things to do, I have mine, and we have some together, but for her to tell me to stop my fun interests would not happen. In our house I wear the pants !!! (and she said I could) |
2010-10-02 9:34 PM in reply to: #3130040 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... wildred - 2010-10-02 7:16 PM AndrewMT - 2010-10-02 12:41 PM Well, we found a good solution at least for today. She went off and spent the morning at the spa/salon while I went out for a quick 40 mile ride! But that's not time spent together??? We do spend time together, but it's always good for individuals to have time for themselves! We both had good mornings and spent the rest of the day together. (first weekend we've both had off since July!) |
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2010-10-02 9:37 PM in reply to: #3130061 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... TriToy - 2010-10-02 7:46 PM ok maybe I am missing something, but why is it you who has to do all the giving? Turning down a job opportunity and now giving up the sport she got you into. Especially since you do not have kids, I would NOT give up triathlon if that is keeping you sane. If she wants to that is her issue but a relationship is not about giving up the things you love. So I disagree with all those who say relationship first. You do not have children. If the person you are with, and have been with ergo they know this is your thing is now saying you or the sport personally I would choose sport - My rational side agrees with you, but neither marriage nor women are rational. If she's overly stressed, I don't mind sacrifcing in order to alleviate some of that stress. If at some point the situation is reversed, I would hope she's understanding and patient with me. |
2010-10-02 9:40 PM in reply to: #3130112 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... SWIM2LIVE - 2010-10-02 9:14 PM Wife and I have been married for 26 years last July, and we have been thru the proverbial "good times and bad times". We were married in our early 30's which meant that we were independent adults and married because we wanted to, not needed to. One of the things that attracted me to her was her ability to be independent. We go to the gym and work out together, but she doesn't swim, run, or bike. I bought a tandem so we could bike together, but it hurts her back, so I bought her a little 3 wheel recumbent (she is only 4' 11"), but she still is a little jealous of my traing and racing time. She has her special things to do, I have mine, and we have some together, but for her to tell me to stop my fun interests would not happen. In our house I wear the pants !!! (and she said I could) Kudos on the 26 years! We're on 6.5, and I'm dam* proud of that! I think it's important for each person to have their own thing. My experience and insight is that sharing hobbies has positives, but can end up taking away from "personal time." I don't care who you are, everyone needs their own thing. |
2010-10-03 9:40 AM in reply to: #3129485 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... Renee - 2010-10-02 1:19 AM AndrewMT - 2010-10-01 10:50 PM Unofficially, I think it was because the new job, which technically a promotion and have better hours, would leave her in the current company by herself. Why should I escape when she's stuck working 70hr weeks? Because you can. Why should BOTH of you have to suffer? And because it means you won't have to be out of the country/isolated from your wife for long periods of time. If your wife has some idea that we should all suck it up and deal with ridiculous work hours, that's fine. She can knock herself out working the hours. Why, though, does she get to impose her work ethic on you? Are you not entitled to your own work ethic? I agree with this and am confused as well. Granted we don't know all the points of the offer and life with your wife, but each of you work and can choose your work. If she was worried about you working less at the new (better) job, and didn't want to be stuck in her job situation, maybe it would be the push she needs to find new employment as well? I don't think that because one is miserable you both should be. (you also know my feelings on being a slave to your job) |
2010-10-03 9:51 AM in reply to: #3130133 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Wife aske me to give up endurance sports... AndrewMT - 2010-10-02 10:37 PM My rational side agrees with you, but neither marriage nor women are rational. If she's overly stressed, I don't mind sacrifcing in order to alleviate some of that stress. If at some point the situation is reversed, I would hope she's understanding and patient with me. Ummmm ... the most irrational people I know are males. Starting with my father and my last 3 relationships (YES, I do see the pattern). It's my belief that people who don't know THEMSELVES tend to be irrational. They say one thing, want another, and have no idea they are in conflict with themselves. They aren't at peace with themselves. This is demonstrated by their irrational behavior. Then there are those who simply came up short in the critical thinking gene lottery. Men are no more or less rational than women. Take people one at a time; that's how you'll find them. /teaching moment |
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