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2013-04-19 12:03 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-19 9:56 AM

The Boston PD/FBI has done a great job of not letting the media know what they are doing in their investigation.  If there is anyone who has watched this coverage that doesn't understand why it has to be this way.....just go back and look at the complete fabrications that the media will put out in the interest of a "scoop"....or who knows what.

I know there are people who say, "well, if you gave out the information they wouldn't have to speculate".....but that is simply not the case.  The media today is nothing but constant speculation, so no matter what you give them they will take it to a level you didn't give them.  It screws up investigations, which are usually VERY time sensitive. 

Still, it is pretty entertaining listening to these nitwits.

Agreed and from what I am gathering the LEO's are doing a great job and not giving much up.

So yeah, the media is a joke and I guess I just don't like the "light 'em up" sentiment when we really don't have any facts other than they were at the race and had bags. 



2013-04-19 12:15 PM
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19-Apr-2013 09:47 - MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE SAY WILL CONDUCT DOOR-TO-DOOR, HOUSE-TO-HOUSE SEARCH IN WATERTOWN
19-Apr-2013 09:49 - MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE WARN PEOPLE IN WATERTOWN NOT TO ANSWER THEIR DOORS DUE TO "FLUID SITUATION"

 

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(sorry, slightly poor taste, but yes it is safe for work)

2013-04-19 12:41 PM
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2013-04-19 12:45 PM
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I.have.no.words. Indeed; that's outright shocking.

2013-04-19 12:56 PM
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2013-04-19 1:23 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 *mod edit*

 

I'm glad you aren't in-charge of anything.

I want this kid caught and questioned.  We need to know if this is a one-off attack by two kids or a case of some Chechens deciding to extend their war to the US.  

The Chechnya/Russia conflict has been one of the most horrific on both sides to include Chechens cutting heads off of Russian soldiers and videotaping it and posting it to the internet (Some of us have been unfortunate enough to have seen and heard that one, me in a Military course).

The Russians haven't been innocent, they formed Flamethrower Battalions and burned schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings with one known terrorist and dozens of civilians in it.  



2013-04-19 1:25 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

2013-04-19 1:27 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-19 7:54 AM

Getting texts from a friend who is at a conference at MIT. She was supposed to come home this morning but everything is shut down. I hope they take the second suspect alive.

Is there a federal death penalty? I'm assuming this will be a federal case.

Police news conference starting soon. I too want this guy alive. Maybe they can give hima Dick Cheney shower and learn what happened.
Woke up hearing this news. 2 brothers, each demented enough to have no value for human lives. I'm glad the one brother is down and it's not going to end well for the other. I'm OK without a circus of a trial. If they take home out I'm sure there are lots of people in the Boston area that will sleep better tonight.

I know that's the gut reaction, but I really hope he is captured and put on trial.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant - SC Justice Louis Brandeis.

You mean like the Ft Hood shooter?  So we can spend 3-1/2 years arguing about if we should shave his beard or not?  Nope.  Put him down like a dog.

Like the rabid sick dog that he is!

2013-04-19 1:28 PM
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GomesBolt - 2013-04-19 1:23 PM

mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I'm glad you aren't in-charge of anything.

I want this kid caught and questioned.  We need to know if this is a one-off attack by two kids or a case of some Chechens deciding to extend their war to the US.  

The Chechnya/Russia conflict has been one of the most horrific on both sides to include Chechens cutting heads off of Russian soldiers and videotaping it and posting it to the internet (Some of us have been unfortunate enough to have seen and heard that one, me in a Military course).

The Russians haven't been innocent, they formed Flamethrower Battalions and burned schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings with one known terrorist and dozens of civilians in it.  

First, I don't want any more Police Officers or citizens killed.  If it takes killing the suspect to see that it happens, well, that would be up to the suspect. Nobody else needs to die, but that's really only up to one person.

There will be plenty left to investigate to be able to ascertain what level this attack was.....they won't need the suspect to tell them.  In fact, in a case such as this, you work under the premise that the suspect WON'T talk to you and will request a lawyer....as is his right.

 

2013-04-19 1:32 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

2013-04-19 1:38 PM
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Perhaps I missed something but is there conclusive proof that these guys were the bombers?

I know they would still deserve to get shot for the murder at MIT (if that was them) the car jacking and the police shoot out. 

But all I have heard is they had bags and were at the race and put the bags down. That is not a conviction, that makes them a suspect. 

Seems like we all agree that the media sucks but now we are all jumping on the bandwagon that they are guilty. 

The first bomber was positively identified by Jeff Bauman - the man who was saved by Carlos Arredondo

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bomb-victim-helped-id-suspects-hospital-bed-article-1.1321582

And this is the problem I have with the media. He wrote something that didn't "positively identify" anyone. Then we get hearsay from his brother and the FBI won't comfirm or deny. That does not equal a positive ID.

I just wish the media and the court of public opinion would wait for facts rather than feed on speculation.

But yes, as LB said they aren't exactly making a great case for themselves, but at the same time maybe they understand how the court of public opinion can work here. Everyone was desperate for a suspect and an arrest. If I saw my pic on the internet as the main suspect and I was not a legal citizen and I was afraid of being made a scapegoat I don't know that I would be turning myself in johnny on the spot either. 

Of course this all may be moot, it may be proven that they were both guilty but from what I have seen so far there is no proof. 

With the speculation of the media I do get your point.

If and right now I see this as an if not a fact if they did have and throw out pressure cooker bombs it's hard to think they are not the ones guilty of Mondays Pressure Cooker Violence.



2013-04-19 2:18 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-19 1:32 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

If someone was claiming responsibility for the attack and sending a video claiming responsibility, yes.  But there has been no claim for them from any group.  AQ plays the PR game very effectively. It's highly unlikely they are a part of this.

2013-04-19 2:23 PM
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GomesBolt - 2013-04-19 12:18 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

If someone was claiming responsibility for the attack and sending a video claiming responsibility, yes.  But there has been no claim for them from any group.  AQ plays the PR game very effectively. It's highly unlikely they are a part of this.

I agree.  If it was part of a bigger organization, they would want people to know.  In fact, I'm a little surprised groups aren't claiming responsibility just to take credit.

2013-04-19 2:33 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

If someone was claiming responsibility for the attack and sending a video claiming responsibility, yes.  But there has been no claim for them from any group.  AQ plays the PR game very effectively. It's highly unlikely they are a part of this.

The bottom line is he doesn't have to talk.....and he likely won't.  So what?  There won't really be much to hear on top of the very thorough investigation that is being done.

Like I said, I'm good with no one else being killed....but if that's not the way he wants this to end, then I hope he is the only one who dies.  It won't change the case.

2013-04-19 2:48 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-19 2:33 PM

Like I said, I'm good with no one else being killed....but if that's not the way he wants this to end, then I hope he is the only one who dies.  It won't change the case.

I second that.  I hope he talks.  I really just want to know is "Why?" 

2013-04-19 3:01 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-19 2:33 PM

Like I said, I'm good with no one else being killed....but if that's not the way he wants this to end, then I hope he is the only one who dies.  It won't change the case.

I second that.  I hope he talks.  I really just want to know is "Why?" 

However, in cases like this, the "why" is a bit disappointing.  Mostly because it's so insane, you can't relate anyway.

It's not like you are going to say "oh, I get it".

Basically, whatever he says is worthless/meaningless and any "sane" person can't relate anyway.



2013-04-19 4:37 PM
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briderdt - 2013-04-19 12:00 PM

A little humor spotted on the Yahoo newsfeed:

Walter Shapiro --

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed is reporting that, despite the lockdown, four Watertown branches of Dunkin' Donuts are being kept open to meet the needs of law enforcement.

My friend is up there for a conference at MIT, and she was stuck in DD's from early this morning until a couple hours ago when they issued the 'shelter in place' order. I told her it wasn't so bad, she had coffee and wifi, and at least she didn't have to deal with the DB's at Starbucks

2013-04-19 4:47 PM
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briderdt - 2013-04-19 12:00 PM

A little humor spotted on the Yahoo newsfeed:

Walter Shapiro --

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed is reporting that, despite the lockdown, four Watertown branches of Dunkin' Donuts are being kept open to meet the needs of law enforcement.

My friend is up there for a conference at MIT, and she was stuck in DD's from early this morning until a couple hours ago when they issued the 'shelter in place' order. I told her it wasn't so bad, she had coffee and wifi, and at least she didn't have to deal with the DB's at Starbucks

Gasssssssssp! You east-coasters and your DD! Wink

2013-04-19 4:49 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

If someone was claiming responsibility for the attack and sending a video claiming responsibility, yes.  But there has been no claim for them from any group.  AQ plays the PR game very effectively. It's highly unlikely they are a part of this.

 

 Usually the group that claims responsibility doesn't do it immediately anymore, It's the higher ups that will make a video or statement and it's often a month afterwards.  They want to see if their people or network are out of the area and don't want to do anything that will give anyone extra info to look for anyone or their regional network.  

I'm not saying that someone will take credit, but let it play out a bit more before we see if someone comes forward

2013-04-19 4:53 PM
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briderdt - 2013-04-19 12:00 PM

A little humor spotted on the Yahoo newsfeed:

Walter Shapiro --

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed is reporting that, despite the lockdown, four Watertown branches of Dunkin' Donuts are being kept open to meet the needs of law enforcement.

My friend is up there for a conference at MIT, and she was stuck in DD's from early this morning until a couple hours ago when they issued the 'shelter in place' order. I told her it wasn't so bad, she had coffee and wifi, and at least she didn't have to deal with the DB's at Starbucks

Gasssssssssp! You east-coasters and your DD! Wink

Youse gotta problem wit dat?

2013-04-19 5:02 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-19 4:53 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-04-19 5:47 PM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-19 4:37 PM
briderdt - 2013-04-19 12:00 PM

A little humor spotted on the Yahoo newsfeed:

Walter Shapiro --

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed is reporting that, despite the lockdown, four Watertown branches of Dunkin' Donuts are being kept open to meet the needs of law enforcement.

My friend is up there for a conference at MIT, and she was stuck in DD's from early this morning until a couple hours ago when they issued the 'shelter in place' order. I told her it wasn't so bad, she had coffee and wifi, and at least she didn't have to deal with the DB's at Starbucks

Gasssssssssp! You east-coasters and your DD! Wink

Youse gotta problem wit dat?

Naaaaaah, just a vested interest Smile

I've already tried to change the mind of a E coastie and lost that battle horribly. You guys are good. 



2013-04-19 5:06 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-19 10:56 AM

The Boston PD/FBI has done a great job of not letting the media know what they are doing in their investigation.  If there is anyone who has watched this coverage that doesn't understand why it has to be this way.....just go back and look at the complete fabrications that the media will put out in the interest of a "scoop"....or who knows what.

I know there are people who say, "well, if you gave out the information they wouldn't have to speculate".....but that is simply not the case.  The media today is nothing but constant speculation, so no matter what you give them they will take it to a level you didn't give them.  It screws up investigations, which are usually VERY time sensitive. 

Still, it is pretty entertaining listening to these nitwits.

I have a few friends that work for the FBI office in Chicago - one as an analyst in the counter-terrorism unit - and I can tell you that this is exactly why they keep information completely under wraps until details are KNOWN. 

After having a family member formerly involved in an ongoing media story I got to see exactly how biased/skewed/completely off their rockers some media can be, as long as it sells papers and/or advertising time.  It was disgusting. 



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2013-04-19 5:07 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-04-19 5:02 PM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-19 4:53 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-04-19 5:47 PM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-19 4:37 PM
briderdt - 2013-04-19 12:00 PM

A little humor spotted on the Yahoo newsfeed:

Walter Shapiro --

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed is reporting that, despite the lockdown, four Watertown branches of Dunkin' Donuts are being kept open to meet the needs of law enforcement.

My friend is up there for a conference at MIT, and she was stuck in DD's from early this morning until a couple hours ago when they issued the 'shelter in place' order. I told her it wasn't so bad, she had coffee and wifi, and at least she didn't have to deal with the DB's at Starbucks

Gasssssssssp! You east-coasters and your DD! Wink

Youse gotta problem wit dat?

Naaaaaah, just a vested interest Smile

I've already tried to change the mind of a E coastie and lost that battle horribly. You guys are good. 

Being from Vancouver and having about 13 Starbucks stores within a 4 block radius and now in Chicago with DD...  I've lost that battle too.  Many, many times.  Undecided

2013-04-19 5:56 PM
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mad-dog - 2013-04-19 12:41 PM *mod edit*

 

I disagree to a certain extent.  I'd like to have one alive and get information from him.. especially if he's part of a bigger conspiracy like AQ or some other terrorist group or is it just an isolated case.

He won't be a prisoner of war.....he doesn't have to say a word.  Dead or alive, the information gained in the investigation will be virtually the same. 

All of the 9-11 attackers were killed.....are there any questions you didn't get answers to?

If someone was claiming responsibility for the attack and sending a video claiming responsibility, yes.  But there has been no claim for them from any group.  AQ plays the PR game very effectively. It's highly unlikely they are a part of this.

 

 Usually the group that claims responsibility doesn't do it immediately anymore, It's the higher ups that will make a video or statement and it's often a month afterwards.  They want to see if their people or network are out of the area and don't want to do anything that will give anyone extra info to look for anyone or their regional network.  

I'm not saying that someone will take credit, but let it play out a bit more before we see if someone comes forward

 

Who would want to take credit with the increase of drone activity?

2013-04-19 6:20 PM
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Rapid fire shots discharged in the perimeter area and an ambulance going into the secured block. I hope this is over.
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