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2008-09-28 11:52 AM
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We have a mixed bag, to the question how is the economy affecting the active lifestyle, none directly. Indirectly, lots. We have been trying to sell our house and move to a nicer neighborhood for over 6 months now. A few weeks ago, the lease on my wife's car was up. So now we are down to one car. We live 30 miles from my job and 45 from her's. She only works once a week and it's off hours from my work time. We don't want a car loan (new loan) on our credit when we do sell and start making offers. The new to us area that we want to move to has a lot of shops and restaurants in walking distance, better public transport and my work runs a private bus service to and from there.

So I now drive into work once a week (grab a swim and short run on the way in) and work from home once a week and bike to work the other three days. I'll do one long bike on the way in a week and make the usual 30 mile route 55 to 75 miles and 30 home. So I'm doing at least 2 30 miles bikes a day 3 days a week and do usually get it more like 60, 85+ and 60 during the week.

So due to the housing slow down, I'm MORE active! I tell ya though, heading out the door at 5:30 in the dark, under 50 degrees and raining.... to bike my butt to work is not all ways the most exciting thing I'll do during the week. On the up side, I have a bunch of new cold/wet biking gear and will have detailed product reviews when people next start to ask about winter biking gear!


2008-09-29 1:25 AM
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k_hase - 2008-09-27 7:01 PM where does meow-cat live? That answer might help explain some numbers. That said, the US is a place where our poorest citizens have cars and cable. They might not have health care or guaranteed elder care, but that TV...

I believe this is meant to be sarcastic? All of my knowledge and exp regarding your country comes from talking and knowing quite a few ppl who live and work there, and who I am a very good friends with. I'm sorry, but tv is not a valid source of information for that kind of thing, it's all too wound up to conform to the picture that any particular tv station or network is trying to get across to their audience at a given time. Whether that picture reflects reality is another matter in itself. So no, I don't believe 90% things said on tv, because they are always heavily slanted towards one point of wiev, whatever is the reason for that.

I know from a lot of ppl - who go there, and never come back, that it is much better over there. If it wasn't, they would already be back. Remember that house u speak of? So, in order to buy a house, I would need to live for about at least 120 yrs so I could pay it off. I think it's safe to say you can do that well within a lifetime. And also, I know from firsthand exp the relation of income/life costs here versus there. And, there is no comparison.

I know a lot of things, I'm specialized in an industry that builds extremely complicated objects, I have a fair knowledge of my engineering bussiness, but guess what? I'm working for chips so to say. With my knowledge and exp in the industry, I reckon at least 5 to 6000 U$ per month is realistic, since I've been offered that by someone I know who lives and works there. And he said he would like to have someone with my knowledge on board. So yes, you might say I'm a bit bitter when I hear talk about economic slowdown and problems in light of everything I know. And when I know that despite working about 55 to 60 hrs/week, I have to go for two weeks with about $70 for food, taking into account that food is much more expensive here, I get a tiny bit more bitter.

2008-09-29 5:28 PM
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Meow-cat,

 I believe they were refering to where you live so we know where your perspective comes from. saying you are from Europe is like saying you are from Africa...It is a big place with wide varience from area to area. The TV comment on the above posters remark was being VERY sarcastic in that it points out that Americans have a lot wrong with them and with their priorities in life...there was no mention that anyone was getting any sort of information from TV.

As for how the economic slowdown is affecting me? Not to much because I am just starting my Tri-athlon life. My wife and I are still paying off some debt from our wedding this summer but it is carefully managed as part of our finances. I have my commuting bike which I am going to work on this spring/winter to try and make a few adjustments to it to make it less of a hybrid and more of a hybrid/roak bike combo so I can get a better Aero form. I am also doing some looking around in the hopes that I can find a good used wetsuit at one of the local shops. It does mean though that I am not trying to spend money on any big ticket items and am instead just focusing on things I can do on my own.

2008-09-29 5:56 PM
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Well I am deffinitley more broke than usual - I have been cutting back on the money I use to spend on lunch so I can afford to even do the little races I have planned (good weight loss plan!) - 25-50 dollars is alot when expenses for everything else keep going up. I haven't spent money on gear in months! I have just been fixing things myself instead of replacing them.
2008-09-30 4:07 AM
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The question here is not how our lifestyle compares to others' lifestyles. The question is how have our lifestyles changed. They can change if they were good to start with, great to start with, or abysmal to start with. It matters not how they do it down the street, in the next state, or across the world.

I'm a lot more cognizant of savings. I moved this summer which killed a HUGE chunk of my savings. I figure that I have pretty god job security (working third shift does that for you) but my company is struggling under rising costs. We are directly affected by rising fuel prices, as well as increases in materials we use. We're losing a lot of clients, and it won't be long before we start losing employees. I'm trying to build up to three months of paychecks as quickly as I can, while paying down as much debt as I can manage.

So yeah, I don't get to play a lot. There is no room for even a used road bike in my budget much less pool membership, so tris are out. I run in the shoes I have, so I have to keep my mileage down until I can afford better shoes. What little play money I have goes to search and rescue gear, so I make do, and I'll keep making do until things turn around. I'm proud of the fact that I still train and get out there even though I could make every excuse not to.

meow-cat, a more appropriate place for your discussion would be to start a thread in Cup of Joe, down towards the bottom of the screen. You will get plenty of commentary there!
2008-09-30 9:51 AM
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Slugger - 2008-09-30 3:07 AM
The question here is not how our lifestyle compares to others' lifestyles. The question is how have our lifestyles changed. They can change if they were good to start with, great to start with, or abysmal to start with. It matters not how they do it down the street, in the next state, or across the world.

well put, slugger.


2008-09-30 10:06 AM
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1. any thoughts of new road bike are gone

2. no more 1:1 coaching

3. much less traveling to races

2008-09-30 3:30 PM
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Slugger - 2008-09-30 3:07 AM
The question here is not how our lifestyle compares to others' lifestyles. The question is how have our lifestyles changed. They can change if they were good to start with, great to start with, or abysmal to start with. It matters not how they do it down the street, in the next state, or across the world.

well put, slugger.

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ETA: Forgot to add that my hubby and I are lucky in that we make a lot of money and already put a lot into savings. We don't have any plans for major equipment purchases (already bought new bikes for both of us this year), and we have all the equipment we need, so it's really just the travel/entry expenses and the usual replacements/supplies. The only change we've made is that we are trying to camp more, rather than staying in hotels all the time.

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2008-09-30 7:41 PM
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I'm glad someone made this thread...

While our awesome economic conditions haven't directly impacted me yet (because I'm intentionally not working... and thus pretty much perpetually broke anyway) I've got a vague plan to start up a Triathlon related business in the future it is good to know how the crisis is changing people's spending habits.

On my end, it will almost certainly push back my start-up date even farther than it already is, since the odds of me landing a loan from a bank anytime soon are pretty slim. *shrug* Just gives me more time to make sure I do it right.
2008-09-30 8:46 PM
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i'm from canada ON and it wil afect me here as well,if I get to do a 1/2 ironman in peterborough next year i'll be lucky,everything else local near Timmins
2008-10-01 7:37 AM
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djluscher - 2008-09-30 4:51 PM
Slugger - 2008-09-30 3:07 AM The question here is not how our lifestyle compares to others' lifestyles. The question is how have our lifestyles changed. They can change if they were good to start with, great to start with, or abysmal to start with. It matters not how they do it down the street, in the next state, or across the world.
well put, slugger.

Nice and broad perspective on things. "I dont want to know whats happening with the rest of the world as long as I'm allright." But you know, a world is a big place, and there is a wide variety of people, countries and all the stuff that goes with diversity, and it is a good thing to know something about it and not trying to be oblivious to the world that surrounds you. It is good to be open minded.

And, the original question was:

"How is the current economy and/or the prospect of worsening economic conditions affecting your multisport lifestyle?

Are you postponing making a big-ticket equipment purchase? Are you cutting back on your spending as a whole? Are you not changing a thing? Would love to hear from BT'ers both in the U.S. and abroad."

So yes, the answer to that question is what I wanted to express, and that's why I have responded to the question. And this is the right thread for my answer to that question, if you have doubts, please re-read the q. Last time I checked there wasnt a rule on BT posting guidelines that said that only threads concerning american themes and interests are welcome here. I have responded how it affected my lifestyle, because that is the answer. And since my lifestyle is what it is, it can't drop much further then the bottom it already is; therefore it that economy slowing doesn't phase me at all. Anyway, since spending over your abillities is what got you in this mess in the first place, it's a lesson to think about and not make that error again. What can I say more, you had your years of fun, now it is going to be much more like the rest of us had it for past decades.



2008-10-01 9:23 AM
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No one is saying we shouldn't be concerned about global comparisons, the poster is saying that the original questions did not ask about global comparisons, rather it asked about our personal changes. Comments on other ideas are certainly valid and interesting, but the poster who reminded us of the original question is correct: the OP did not ask about my country vs your country. I liken it to answering an essay question incorrectly but with true statements: you might include lots of information that is correct, but it might not be the answer to the question that was asked.

So if I ask you like tomatoes and you tell me how bad pizza is for you, you are in the ballpark in the sense that tomatoes are part of pizza, but you didn't really answer the question asked.

Don't take that to mean variety of commetns aren't welcome, but we also can't deny that we got away from the OPs intent.
2008-10-01 10:52 AM
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Moved into a shack off the grid in montana and planted a garden. Sawed up my carbon-fiber tri_bike to shore up the foundation. I figure this new lifestyle will get me to HTFU more than any tri-training would have next season.
2008-10-01 11:43 AM
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No changes as far as Tri-related stuff.

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2008-10-01 3:08 PM
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None what so ever.

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2008-10-01 3:16 PM
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My wife and I are spending more and more on "Tri-Stuff".  Call it our one family economic stimulus plan.  If we buy enough GU, maybe the economy will rebound.



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Actually I am not doing anything different this year then I have benn doing for the past 2 years. I got into the triathlons 3 years ago. After the first year, I knew I was going stick with it so I figured out how to break even money wise.

First I started commuting to work using my entry level road biike. I do this 3-4 times a week unless the weather is really bad. My commute is 15 miles each way. That cuts driving the car by 90 - 120 miles. It also cuts out a lot of extra driving so it adds up to around 200 milers per week saved. That is $40/wk. I now bring my lunch to work and do not go out. This saves another $30/wk.

I ride my bike to all the local group rides and charity rides. I ride my bike to the the loacl swiming pool that I only use during the winter months. I found a small private lake a couple of miles from house that the owner lets me use for free. I put my wetsuit to good use spring and fall. I cut my gym cost in half and saved over $300/yr. I run from the house after the bike ride home from work.

All together, I figure I save around $4000/yr. So that is my budget for new equipment and race entry fees, etc. For example, I got a new $2000 bike (Cervelo Soloist) last year and did 4 TRI's (3 sprints and an OLY) that were within a days drive. I still had money left to cover the cost of the routine stuff needed for biking, swimming and running.

Next year I plan on doing the HIM in Augusta, GA. as part of a family vacation. The costs will be covered by the $4000 budget. I will also plan on doing 4-5 shorter Tri's that are closer to hom next year as well

So it all comes down to how you manage your money. I am 61 so all this latest economic mess just means I work a few more years before I retire.
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k_hase - 2008-10-01 10:23 AM

No one is saying we shouldn't be concerned about global comparisons, the poster is saying that the original questions did not ask about global comparisons, rather it asked about our personal changes. Comments on other ideas are certainly valid and interesting, but the poster who reminded us of the original question is correct: the OP did not ask about my country vs your country. I liken it to answering an essay question incorrectly but with true statements: you might include lots of information that is correct, but it might not be the answer to the question that was asked.

So if I ask you like tomatoes and you tell me how bad pizza is for you, you are in the ballpark in the sense that tomatoes are part of pizza, but you didn't really answer the question asked.

Don't take that to mean variety of commetns aren't welcome, but we also can't deny that we got away from the OPs intent.

Thank you for restating what I said. Well put.

meow, please don't accuse me of being close-minded. You know nothing about me, other than that I learned how to answer questions on topic. You might be interested to know I learned that through the American public education system. I would be happy to discuss the issues you bring up in another thread - I think they are valuable to consider especially given the global nature of the world today.
2008-10-02 1:24 PM
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Sticking with my old 10-speed bike for a little while longer. I'm just getting started with tris so no need to drop mega bucks on a bike right now anyway.

Definitely looking for cheaper hotels when I travel to races. Going to shop around a lot more. The Va Beach Half cost me a fortune. Can't keep doing that. Chalk it up to inexperience. Lesson learned. When I go to Portland for the full, I'm staying with friends of friends.
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Browncd that is great news to hear! and congrats on taking up Tri's at 61 that is also awesome. I would try and save like that but...unfortunately when I graduated from college and got my first job I started bike commuting to and from it so I don't have to extra money coming out of my budget to save for my new interest of Tri's. Not only that but paying off my wedding from this summer means...well that weddings are expensive! I have budgeted well though and I should be able to afford the modifications to my current Hybrid bike for racing next year, a good tri wetsuit and the New digital SLR camera I want. All together those three things should cost under 1200 dollors which is perfect. Then I have about 500 or so to spend on new gear that wears out (shoes etc) and on training food and entry fees. Then in 2010 I hope to be able to get a good road bike/tri bike.

 Budgetting sucks sometimes!

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