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I wonder if I could order some brass knuckles made from melted down casings?

Brass knuckles do not exist because they were banned by the gubmint.

Spat coffee on my keyboard - priceless.

There are more guns now than at any other time in the history of this country....and violent crime is at a 20 year low.

The FACTS are.......more guns and less crime.  Those are the numbers.  How anyone can come to a conclusion from those numbers that reducing guns will reduce crime is beyond me.  The FACT is, 20 years ago we ALOT fewer guns and more crime.

Let go of the emotion.

HEY!  Just because the sun don't shine where you live doesn't make people strange for installing solar panels!

Besides, those Chevy Volt owners are crying in their soup right now with 30 consecutive days of higher gas prices.  

Just Sayin...

Correct. This is happening far away, and therefore falls under the well known legal definition of "Not our problem".

I always have a problem with statistics that are used to "prove" a point. I remember when Rudolph Giuliani took over as mayor in New York, and about 10 minutes later was declaring to the world that the crime numbers have sunk like a stone. And he proved it, with statistics....

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." 

"Statistics are like a bikini: what they reveal is suggestive; what they hide is vital".

Huh,...  sure are a LOT of crickets in this thread.

I am actually about to loose my mind I think....

The Conservatives continue to support people that are anything but. Spend like drunken sailors, and erode individual rights.

The liberals fall at the feet of a guy that's only claim to fame is he figured out how to get federal money to bulldoze projects and build high rise condos for his friends to get rich... where he CONTINUES the war and indefinite detentions. Has no problems killing U.S. citizens with drones... and now has no problem allowing children to be armed to go to war with U.S. dollars.

When will the American people have enough????

Yeah, Ok....except for the fact that number of murders per year is a known, along with  the number of guns being bought

I might have a better time agreeing with you if not for the FACT that the number of murders has been declining for 20 years.  It is also a FACT that there are more guns in the hands of provate citizens than at any other time in history.

I didn't say that more guns had led to fewer murders....I have no idea if that's the reason or not.  But one thing is for sure, more guns hasn't let to more murders.....and that's a statistic that you just can't conjur up. 

Again, here are the facts....lowest murder/violent crime rate in 20 years, more guns than ever.

Again......emotion fuels the anti-gun side....period.

I love facts, so here are a few more regarding New York. I used to work for NYC-EMS, and on a visit a year after the amazing "drop" in crime, I stopped by the communications center, and asked a very simple question: Is EMS getting less calls for violent type injuries? You can massage the statistics all you want, but if the same number of people are being beaten up and shot, ambulances are still being called for them.

The non-surprising answer was that the numbers have not shrunk at all.

Not arguing about the gun and crime numbers across the country. I don't know any different, and am willing to take your word for it. But like I said, I take statistics with a grain of salt.

I'm not anti-gun, by the way. I don't think that everyone needs, or should have one, but as long as it is a legal right, people should be allowed to get one. I just wish that they would make the requirements much more stricter, with follow up tests and bars that must be met in order to keep the gun.

THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS FOR RIGHTS.

I take that back... there used to be. It used to be you had to be white, and you had to be a male... but they removed those "requirements".

I simply can not comprehend the logic it takes to acknowledge a right... then in the next breath think of ways for it not be allowed to be used.

Somewhere in the last 200 years... Americans have come to believe we live under the "Bill of Privileges".

Do you understand the difference between a right and a privilege?

Raises hand.. "Um, I have!"

x3

When gasoline is 50 cents a gallon, we all make a million dollars a year, free supermodels for everyone, and the DJIA is at 50,000.

And if we hypothetically returned to the root causes of that murderous period 20-30 years ago (the rise of crack cocaine) with more guns now floating around than ever before, what do you think would happen?

I don't know, but I worked in a public housing area during that time period you mentioned and I agree, it was pretty crazy. (and ALOT of fun if you were a young police officer)  Alot of the drop in violent crime comes from different police tactics.  We actually target violent people now.  You'd be amazed at how much violent crime drops if you target that very small percentage of people who are violent by nature.  Violent crime is actually committed by an extremely small percentage of people....even a small percentage of criminals.

I can tell you, from my own experiences at work, that I don't feel like "bad guys" have any more guns then they ever did, or they hide them better, but I doubt that's the case. 

The huge rise in gun ownership has to do with law-abiding people buying guns....so who cares how many there are?  The chances of one of those guns being used in a crime are very slim.

Emotion rather than facts is fueling you as well.  It is a fact that the reduction of environmental lead ( primarily from it's removal from gasoline ) correlates much more closely with the reduction in violent crime than the increased number of guns.

NOWHERE did I say that the reduction in crime was due to more guns.  What I said is that more guns hasn't made violent crime go up......you can't argue that....it just hasn't.

I think there are enough guns to fuel as much violence as society is willing to put up with...it's no longer a limiting factor in the United States. 

I'm not saying that they cause crime to go up.  I'm saying they are pretty much irrelevant to overall crime rates, thus a reduction in guns will not cause an adverse change in overall violent crime rates.  I may be reading you wrong, but your emphasis on the "FACTS" of crime rates to gun ownership rates seems to imply that you think reducing gun ownership will cause an increase in crime rates.