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2005-06-27 2:25 PM
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OldAg92 - 2005-06-27 1:34 PM
He told me "I'm not worried about the swim...I swam a lot as a kid."
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she told me that he was going to try to do that this week....the race is Sunday.
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it is a 750 meter swim.


ROFL.

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2005-06-27 2:35 PM
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I do have a funny story about that too.  I have asked my BIL two weeks ago what he was doing for swim training.  He  told me "I'm not worried about the swim...I swam a lot as a kid."  I asked my sister (his wife) about whether he was doing any lap swimming or anything, and she told me that he was going to try to do that this week....the race is Sunday.

Okay, seriously, I don't know why you're worried.  You are going to put so much time into him on the swim that he won't be able to recover (even if he really CAN bike 24 mph).  Also, being the smart, trained, experienced triathlete you are, you really should give him a lot of good advice about what he should be doing this week (like verifying he can swim 750 yds).  Then if he does great, you'll know it's cause you told him what he needed to know, and if he doesn't, you can rub it in, cause he shoulda listened to you right?

Also, I agree with what someone else posted here, if he really does go all out like you should in a sprint, he is going to be toasted for the rest of the day, and probably the next day as well.  His body isn't trained for that kind of effort and recovery.  Yours is.

Remember though, once it's started run your own race, and he'll have to figure out his.  Transition especially could be hilarious.

2005-06-27 3:17 PM
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Get over it.

Seriously. Triathlon is supposed to be fun.

I'll be there to do the Oly-distance race and you'd better have a smile on your face that morning when I see you.

P.S. He's reading the "max", not the "avg".
2005-06-27 3:21 PM
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OldAg92 - 2005-06-27 1:34 PM

"I'm not worried about the swim...I swam a lot as a kid."  .



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2005-06-27 3:22 PM
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OldAg92 - 2005-06-27 1:34 PM 

He  told me "I'm not worried about the swim...I swam a lot as a kid."  I asked my sister (his wife) about whether he was doing any lap swimming or anything, and she told me that he was going to try to do that this week....the race is Sunday

He is, what we call in training circles, the unconscious incompetent - he doesn't know what he doesn't know. It will be a wonderful growth experience for him. Let him wing it!

2005-06-27 4:13 PM
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Tiger Phil - 2005-06-27 3:17 PM P.S. He's reading the "max", not the "avg".

I love that!  And it's so true. 

Or, does he even OWN a bike computer?  A friend of mine randomly hopped onto a mtb (bought in Toys R Us) and rode with me for some 15 min.  He saw my computer and asked about the speed.  He guessed he was doing some 20 mph, while it was barely 10.  Turned out it was the head win on his face and the slight downhill that made him think he was riding VERY fast.  On the way back, that "slight downhill" became "slight uphill" and he was panting like a dog....

I'm sure you'll ahve a great race.  Looking forward to your race report.



2005-06-27 4:16 PM
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I just wanted to say I hear you, I feel your pain, and I would be a bit bitter myself. I have a twin sister who does the same darn thing to me ALL the time.  That said, I think you are AWESOME for doing this! The accomplishment is not in finishing this Tri, but in the journey of hardwork, dedication, and training that got you to this point. You did a tri in your mind EVERY DAY for the past 7 months to get to this point.  That is what makes you an athlete. 

No matter what BIL does, I think you should be so proud of yourself.  Don't feel bad for being a little bit resentful...hell, I'd be really resentful of it.  Just know that this triathlon is not just this one...but will become a way of life for you.  For him, it will be his excuse to drink a beer that night.

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2005-06-27 4:22 PM
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dgunthert - 2005-06-27 2:52 PM Oh Lord....your semi-joking reference to the rescue kayaks dragging his ass out of the water may not be that far-fetched. If he does get some pool time in this week, look for him to drop out of the race after his first dose of reality: "*pant pant pant* Okay, how far was that?" "Uh, 100 meters." "How far is the race?" "750." "What?!?" "Did I mention it's in open water where you can't touch....with no lane lines....and you can't see....and you're getting bumped and kicked...and you have to lift your head every once in a while to make sure you're going in the right direction?"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

All the comments about the swim is making me laugh.  I can't wait to read the race report on this one.

Get your BIL to join BT, and write his own race report.  But don't let him look at this thread until afterwards. :-Þ



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2005-06-27 4:56 PM
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The whole swim thing has me laughing right now, actually.  If you search my old posts, you'd see that my first day at the pool several months ago, I swam 25 yds and thought I was going to die.  After doing that a few more times, I went outside and vomited in the parking lot.  And guess what?  I swam a lot as a kid, too.  Fast forward to today...I swam 1000 yds at the pool, and left feeling great.  I've done two tris so far (one mini and one sprint with a 1/2 mile swim) and both were OW....that experience alone is golden for me.

Knowing my BIL, he will be the first one out of the swim, in record time.....but there is still a good chance that he struggles BIG TIME since he is so confident that this will be the easy part of the race.  Either way, I'm going to go out and have fun, regardless of who finishes first, and I'll enjoy a beer and some grilled brats with him afterwards...it is 4th of July weekend, after all!

2005-06-27 5:58 PM
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I don't think there has been any mention of whether your BIL is in the same age group as you. If he isn't, then it will be harder to compare your race times.

I, too, am curious to hear how the tri goes! Keep us posted, please!
2005-06-27 7:47 PM
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Ok, I'd be a little ticked too. Can't the guy let you have your momentof glory?? Then again, maybe this is some (very) misguided attempt at encouragement. This is a total tortoise and hare thing. Even if he does finish first, your family will know that you were the one who really worked to get where you are and he just swooped in to look good. And even if they don't know, we do!!! Oh, yeah, I wouldn't judge you if you took the 'put a tack in his tire' advice. Part of being a good rider is being able to change a tire on the fly, right?


2005-06-27 8:58 PM
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Brandt,

I would be pissed off, too, I am sure, but I still rate your accomplishment as off the charts considering your history, your unbelievable weight loss.....try and stay within yourself, not be dependent on others...you can't control them but you can control your reaction to them...we all have experiences like that...need to move on, this is your personal victory...no matter who turns out to watch...besides your bro in law may just be trash talking, that bike speed sound awfully fast for somebody who didn't own a bike before....talk is cheap, show us your stuff on the race course...
2005-06-27 9:10 PM
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in the face of most everybody else -

what does it really matter, Brandt? isn't this a competition you entered to compete with yourself? why do you care if some relative beats you? this is about you, just you, and nobody else. you won't have taken care any better or worse of your body just because you beat your BIL or the other way around.

it's irrelevant. help him out. tell him everything he needs to know. make sure he performs as well as he possibly could. and then set your goal to beat his time IF that is still of interest to you.

have you thought about the possibility that he might just be out to beat you? i don't know anything about you and your family but well - no family is perfect.

i say - ignore him. give him all the help you can as long as it doesn't come at the price of your own performance and look at what's best for you.
2005-06-27 10:58 PM
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Everyone has said all the good stuff.
I just wanted to add that in my first tri (which I trained for, for about 5 months) my friend decided to do it at the last minute - he was not worried about it at all - he is a heavy smoker but very athletic - plays soccer, works as a labourer - so is fit and strong. Anyway, my baby was only 6 months old on the day of the tri and when I started swimming I could only swim 50m and would have to stop... So - race day comes - he comes in about 1 minute ahead of me, when I cross the finish line this guy is standing there having a CIGARETTE, he later drops to the ground, exhausted! He could hardly walk for a week afterwards! I could have gone out and done it all again!!! Straight away - I really could have. Since then I have lost 50lbs, completed 2 Olympic Distance triathlons in under 3 hours and have made this a lifestyle, not just a flash in the pan - my friend went straight back to his cigarettes and hasn't moved again since!

My point is - THIS IS FOR YOU AND THIS IS YOUR LIFE! Enjoy the journey - every minute of it - you are blessed, so blessed to be able to take part - have fun - and please let us know how it goes!!!
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2005-06-27 11:21 PM
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OldAg92 - 2005-06-27 1:02 PM

  I let some frustration, and probably a little selfishness, get in the way of what is really important. 

Better here, among friends, than on race day right?

"I swam a lot as a kid"....I just choked on my wine quick somebody do the HEimlich on me...that is JUST TOO FUNNY! 

I absolutely CANNOT WAIT to read the final chapter of this comedy.  And 24 mph?  Yeah, if that's true I'll eat my bike shoes, cleats and all!

EDIT:  Oh, yeah, I would be pissed too



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2005-06-28 12:12 AM
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That's why you focus on what YOU can control ... yourself.

I am a pitching coach. I worked pretty hard to get my fastball to 84 mph in college. I'm working with a 16 year old that despite some obvious mechanical flaws, hit 92mph on pitch #111 with a Phillies scout in the crowd. Now, every major division 1 school in the area is calling us, and major league scouts are wanting to know when they can see him next.

The joke between myself and the other coaches is about whether me having to watch him pitch is "a gift from above", or "my penance for not working as hard as I could as a player".

Be a good man about it. Encourage him and help him as much as you can. You can't control someone else's ability. Concerning yourself with what he does only creates stress and negative feelings in yourself.

EDIT: His race results will let you know if he is truthful with his times. Sometimes folks exaggerate their stats ... sometimes by naiveness, sometimes on purpose. If I had a dollar for every claimed "90mph fastball" I've seen that was more like 80, I'd have well ... probably around 20 bucks.

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You're an A&M fan, huh? Their catcher (baseball team) is from the high school I coach at. He just signed with the Cleveland Indians. Be proud of what others do ... even if it comes easier to them.

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O man I would be furious too. I would feel exactly the same way as you. It`s your race!! My hubby did the same thing to me, I entered my first race and all of a sudden he was telling his friends to do it (they are mostly military...seals....marines) so I was freaking out that I would look like a complete looser compared to all his buddies. Well, turns out they didn`t do the race, none of them, I did and came 7th out of 20 in my age group and I ended up in the top 50 women out of 119. Plus, with my practise practise practise of my transition areas I kicked butt with those times. Don`t worry, he maybe telling you one thing but I bet you do so well. Don`t let him worry you, your family will be SO proud no matter what the outcome. Is he even in the same age group as you? Go find your self another race after this one and keep it to your self if you need to. But seriously I would be jacked off as well. Go for Gold OldAge92, all us BT`s will be cheering you on from now to the finish line.
2005-06-28 6:50 AM
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Motivated - 2005-06-27 1:02 PM

Look at it this way...

  1. You've already made some incredible accomplishments.
  2. You've personally inspired another to engage in this awesome sport.
  3. You have someone in the family who understands and appreciates your obsession.
  4. Yeah, you're slower, but so what?  You're a leader, you broke new ground, he's a coat tail rider and owes his introduction to this sport to you.

Keep your perspective on the good things.  This is an incredible sport.  If I'm ever experiencing negative thoughts like envy or anger, its typically requires a self assessment where I determine something is actually wrong with my outlook.  This sport is about me versus my very own weaknesses and so long as I keep that perspective, all is well.

Bang on the mark my friend. You are indeed a leader, enjoy you accomplishment by participating in the race at your own pace.
2005-06-28 8:02 AM
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i also get a little protective of 'my' sport...but have also tried to recruit family members to participate. my little brother will whoop my butt if he ever races with me. my older brother has done several half-marathons and has been running for 4+ years. i started running last winter (feb 04) and managed to beat his pr by over 5 minutes. this probably wasn't fun for my brother, and while i am proud that i can go as fast or faster than he can now, i also thank him every time we run for his support and his example. your family will probably recognize that YOU did this first and YOU set the example. your brother in law is racing because you are, for better or for worse, so you should take a little pride in setting such a great example.
2005-06-29 10:44 PM
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**Update**

Talked to my dad tonight, and he said my BIL has not done any swimming....not a single lap.  Apparently his plan was to get a temporary membership to a pool near his house, but he didn't get it, and he has decided that his experience "swimming as a kid" will suffice.   He may still whip me, which is fine (I'm over my tantrum) but I am actually a bit worried about him now. 

2005-06-30 1:07 AM
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I can understand that it might drive you crazy but I agree with alot of what people have said about the sport is for you.  And it should be fun for you and also a great achievement for you.  No one can take that away from you.

I've been recruiting as many people as I can to come tri with me and some of them will be faster then me some of them will be slower then me.  That doesn't bother me.   I now have lots more people to talk to about the fun we had at the event and the feeling you get when you finish.

No matter which one of you finishes first your family will be there to cheer both of you on!

Plus it really does sound like he is going to go into this race under prepared and could struggle to do it.  He would probably really value any help you could send his way advice wise!  Think about the next family gathering you'll now have something to get together and talk over! 

just my .02cents! 



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OldAg92 - 2005-06-29 10:44 PM

**Update**

... my BIL has not done any swimming....not a single lap.  Apparently his plan was to get a temporary membership to a pool near his house, but he didn't get it, and he has decided that his experience "swimming as a kid" will suffice.   He may still whip me, which is fine (I'm over my tantrum) but I am actually a bit worried about him now. 

Man, I just hope the cat doesn't drown during the swim. 

This is the first time I've read this thread, and you definitely have to keep us posted as to what happens on Sunday!

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2005-06-30 12:40 PM
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It sucks doesn't it? You are working yourself so hard and here comes some doffus (a relative even) who is better/stronger/faster. It is enough to break your heart. How do I know? Meet Mrs. Slow. I am slow at everything. So what? Yes it is a bite when someone I have been training (did I mention that I am an ISSA Certified Personal Trainer? I am, but with two babies in two years I mostly just work with friends now) blows by me in a race and most of the people I work with do. So what?

You lost a LOT of weight, you are having fun and yes I know that you are competative but you will need to learn to compete with you. Is that hard? Well it sucks to be passed and some pf the people who pass you are going to have started after you. They will have more talent and prowess and that is not fair but look where you came from? Look how far you have come! LOOK AT YOU! WOW!!!! You are riding 17 mph! That sounds like super human speed to me. So go out there, ignore the athletic dude and have a wonderful time. So he gets there faster, you earned it more.
2005-06-30 12:46 PM
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I call BS on his "21-24 mph average pace" over 12-15 miles.

Don't worry about it. . .Triathlons are about you and the clock, nothing more, nothing less. If it gets to you, let it motivate you train harder and tell him to sign up for another one later or next year and kick his ass.
2005-06-30 2:13 PM
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If he's "moderately athletic" as you originally posted and not some kind of rock star. He's doomed. Was his "swimming as a kid" in OW? Splashing around in a lake doesn't count. I'm talking significant time spent doing distances. I'll be surprised if he finishes the swim.

Since, the a$$atars are expiring, let's make it interesting. I'll take bets: if this guy even finishes, I'll change my avatar to a speedo shot (long ones, no hammock!). If he beats Ag, I'll even make it an a$$atar. However, if he loses to Ag, you post the swimsuit shot and if he doesn't finish, it needs to be an a$$atar. Avatar change for a month.

Any takers?

P.S. I'd be willing to give odds on whether or not the guy even starts.

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