Van Der Sloot kills again! (Page 3)

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 3:15 PM In the words of Ghandi...''an eye for an eye...leaves everyone blind.''
I am against the DP for a variety of reasons...and eye for an eye ''justice'' doesn't really bring about justice. It will never bring the person back whom you lost. It is not the same as self defense. When we have prisons to incarcerate people like Vander Sloot...the DP is not necessary. What he did is horrific, I just don't believe the DP is the solution.

scoobysdad - 2010-06-09 3:33 PM It does kill the killer and prevents them from ever killing again. It does provide some measure of comfort to a victim's family. And it does prevent the killer from enjoying whatever small pleasures they can find in continuing to live when they denied that same right to someone else who committed no crime against them.

gearboy - 2010-06-09 3:31 PM If we put him to death, we advocate killing as an appropriate behavior.  Self defense (or ending the commission of a crime that could result in serious harm to others) is NOT the same as the death penalty.  The police would NOT be justified, for example, in using deadly force to stop someone who is unarmed from stealing a loaf of bread or a TV.  QUOTE]


Actually, i think its the contrary. when you kill a killer, you send the message to society that that behavior is NOT tolerated.  that of all the crimes you can commit in this world, killing another human being is taken most seriously and requires the most severe of consequences. 
you can go to jail for lots of reasons, murder shouldnt be one of them.

no kidding that police wont be justified in shooting a thief over a loaf of bread.
but police ARE justified in shooting if someone pulls a gun on them! when someone pulls a gun on another person, they are declaring their intent to kill and it is right for a cop to shoot them.

Edited by wabash 2010-06-09 2:48 PM

ChrisM - 2010-06-09 1:45 PM I won't gussy up my opinion with "it helps the family," "it's a deterrent,"... whatever.

He broke the human contract.  He's murdered two inncocent young girls in cold blood.  There is no question on the Peruvian case.  He should be put to death IMO.  That should be his punishment, and yes, it's revenge.  It's the price he should pay.  If you want to believe that I take pleasure in such an opinion, so be it.  I don't.  However, nor do I suffer for it. 

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 12:53 PM

I haven't read the details about the Peruvian case, but we don't know if it was premeditated with Holloway. Not that it makes it ''better'' what happened, it doesn't. But, until we know the facts of that case, we don't know if it was premeditated. I'm just glad he was caught...and that some type of justice will be served.

 

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 3:38 PM

If he gets life, which he will I'm sure, why would we presume he'd kill again? Second, a measure of comfort for the victim's family. Maybe. I remember reading an article a while back, about a mother who's daughter was murdered by her bf, and she did not want the bf to be put to death. She said...''I'm a mother, and I don't want to see another mother go through what I've been through.'' So, never know. How about the amish story, the man that shot those schoolgirls, and then himself...and the mother of the dead girls, was immediately forgiving? The DP begets violence and a culture of unforgiveness. I know I'd be in a straight jacket if my daughter was ever murdered...(or son) but...killing the person who did it...not sure what ''comfort'' that would bring me...

The DP, in my eyes, is about retaliation and punishment...not justice. I will have to respectfully agree to disagree...

ChrisM - 2010-06-09 3:45 PM

 nor do I suffer for it. 

mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 1:26 PM

See, I think you do. I think we all do. As a race we all suffer when we allow/condone/support humans killing humans. I'll even go so far as to expand that to killing of any kind, but I am willing to suffer for a burger or a steak.

im not being facetious,
but what is the difference between killing your attacker out of self defense, and the judicial system putting to death the person who murdered you?

ChrisM - 2010-06-09 4:32 PM

Well, that's very nice of you to worry about me like that, but take a load off and trust me when I say I don't suffer for it.  You might, which is fine, but don't purport to know what is in anyone else's heart

mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 1:39 PM

It's not your heart. It's not you as an individual. It's your divine connection to all men. You may not feel like you're suffering but I do believe, on some level, we all suffer for killing. Just my wacky way of looking at life.

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 4:39 PM

It's human instinct I think, if someone breaks into your home to harm you or your family...you'll naturally react. You'll wish to self defend. If someone is murdered, and their murderer is caught, tried in a fair trial, is convicted, and given a life sentence...what is the DP accomplishing at that point? At that point...it's not self defense, it's revenge. It's punishment. I'm not saying people who murder don't deserve punishment...but how can we say killing is wrong, but advocate it at the same time? Reminds me of parents who spank their kids, because their kids were caught hitting their siblings or something. Hmmm....ok.

wabash - 2010-06-09 2:32 PM

you have the right to kill in self defense, but its wrong if the judicial system sentences them to death if you lose your battle in self defense?
anyone care to rationalize this???????

drewb8 - 2010-06-09 4:47 PM

If you kill someone in self defense you are changing the outcome of the action, ie. you live. 

If the judicial system kills the person who killed you it doesn't change anything, you remain dead.

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 3:52 PM



True...but in this case, it doesn't bring about justice.
The only case I could remotely see the DP being sufficient was Ted Bundy...from an American case viewpoint.

Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 4:52 PM

True...but in this case, it doesn't bring about justice.
The only case I could remotely see the DP being sufficient was Ted Bundy...from an American case viewpoint.