$2.50 for regular gas (Page 3)

mnewton - 2005-08-09 11:55 AM  Hydrogen as fuel is a crock.

run4yrlif - 2005-08-10 12:27 PM

Except that hydrogen is renewable, assuming you use renewable resources to produce it from water. Because we don't today have an efficient process to produce it is no reason to say it's a crock.

The bottom line is that we WILL run out of oil. Therefore whether we do it now or later, renewable resources are the future. Read Michael Moore's "Dude, Where's my Country." He treats our dependance on oil really well.

mnewton - 2005-08-09 11:55 AM
Much research needs to be in the area of alternative energy sources. Nuclear and Solar energy holds great promises if the money is there to research how to recover and store the energy.

mnewton - 2005-08-10 1:18 PM

mnewton - 2005-08-09 11:55 AM Much research needs to be in the area of alternative energy sources. Nuclear and Solar energy holds great promises if the money is there to research how to recover and store the energy.

cerveloP3 - 2005-08-10 2:58 AM

Hey Chucky,
It is fine in an opinion sense that you want to blame teh Pres, or the war on prices, but regardless of if there was a war or not, you would still have the same prices for gas today.

Do not underestimate the power of supply and demand. China is aggressively trying to acquire rights to energy more than any nation at present. They are the leading purchaser of oil sands in Canada. They tried to purchase Unocal, which all but owns the Gulf of Mexico drilling rights, at least teh majority of them.
Their desire is twofold: To satisfy their own growing thirst, and to strategically deny the US in the event of an impasse.

China made mention of using Nukes against the US in the last month. Will you be so quick to condemn Clinton on this? The reason they have that technology is because of his PERSONAL approval in this technology being imported to Chian as well as the computing technology to deliver and guide these things.

Does Loral ring a bell. I don't think Bush is all right, but reality dictates looking at all possibilities on why a price is where it is.

Celeb_ithil - 2005-08-10 9:14 AM
p>China made mention of using Nukes against the US in the last month. Will you be so quick to condemn Clinton on this? The reason they have that technology is because of his PERSONAL approval in this technology being imported to Chian as well as the computing technology to deliver and guide these things. Does Loral ring a bell. I don't think Bush is all right, but reality dictates looking at all possibilities on why a price is where it is.

ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-11 7:27 AM  So China is serving it's own selfish needs. I get that. We are doing the same in IRAQ. Don't dismiss that.

ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-10 6:27 PM
What other commodity in the last five years has gone up like oil?

Denise2003 - 2005-08-11 9:20 AM

Actually, steel came down quite a bit since its peak in late last year. More capacity came on line and China is now a net exporter of steel. Oil though, it's a completely different story.

gullahcracker - 2005-08-10 6:42 PM Yes biodisel is an alternative fuel made from used cooking oil, or raw vegetable oil or any number of "oils". There are specific date palms which yield a lot of oil and they have been studied for their use in making biodiesel. A lot of ag crops will work,ie soy beans, peanuts, but it comes down to the greatest yield and that seems to be certain crops that do well only in tropical climes. I worked up some numbers once where the ag output of fuel crops was based on fallow farm land. The results are staggering, but so is the initial cost and the end product could not compete with regular diesel which at the time was selling for around $1.25/gal. But as I've said the higher the cost of fuel the more competitive these alternatives become. There are some companies currently marketing modular biodiesel refineries and I have and continue to eye this market carefully. The recipe for biodiesel is pretty simple. We took our deep fryer and emptied its contents into a large glass container. Jacked up the ph with some sodium hydroxide, stirred it around, said the magic words, added ethanol for octane boost and voila, fuel. Now I've drastically oversimplified the real process but we made fuel. We took it to one of our job sites and used it to fuel a small diesel pump which was the only piece of equipment we had at the time that was biodiesel compatible. The drawback to biodiesel is that it breaks down conventional fuel lines and rubber engine parts. Most engines today are compatible. When biodiesel is burned you can smell the cooking oil. Imagine being behind a city bus and smelling french fries. The next time you're traveling take note when you fuel up and see if the station offers biodiesel or B-20. B-20 is a 80-20 mixture of diesel and biodiesel. Class dismissed.

gullahcracker - 2005-08-11 7:55 PM Most biodiesel is made here in the USA with Modular refinery units popular in Calif and Hawaii. No enviromental impacts as long as screenings and soap/wax is either reused or disposed of properly. You know the more important issue here is the production of ethanol. Needed for biodiesel and a great substitute/ additive for gasoline. Anybody remember gasohol? I have a question regarding OPEC. Since we conquered Iraq, shouldn't we be a leading member of OPEC? What is our standing among that bunch of dubious &^$#%^^$#@#?[/QUOTE]

Don't know about the "great substitute" part.  Being in Iowa, ethanol is everywhere. We wanted to support it, but it made the truck run like crap.  If you got a new vehicle and ran it on nothing but ethanol (which is not that much cheaper, by the way because it's not that popular) it would probably be OK, but when you try to make the switch from one to the other, after a period of time, not so good.