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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yep thoughts of vengeance via torture are totally understandable and human . . . even more so if you lost a child or family member; however it doesn't change what happened or prevent this from happening again - sigh. I keep thinking . . . where and when will the next mass killing be; it's just a matter of time. This last was interesting in that as far as anyone knows the killer had a squeaky clean background: worked with disabled kids, honor student, enrolled in med school. This country would never pass laws that prevented this kind of person from having all the guns he wants. He was wearing heavy duty protection so if you armed everyone in the theater it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of death toll. I would expect that now all exit doors will be alarmed so that this particular scenario won't happen again but somewhere else will be the target. Thoughts and prayer for all involved in this tragedy. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() annie - 2012-07-22 3:28 PM He was wearing heavy duty protection so if you armed everyone in the theater it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of death toll. Well if you armed everyone, I think it would make a difference... Sorry just adding a little levity to a difficult situation. In all seriousness there is no way of knowing if it would have helped or made things worse. Somebody hitting him in his body armor could have made him turn and run because it really seems like he wanted to live so he could soak up the infamy. Or a CCW unloading on him could have just drawn his fire and resulted in the deaths of all the people around the CCW holder. If it were me and I were there I would have likely kept my weapon holstered unless the bad guy came up on me with an engagement eminent. My number one rule of CCW is to get me any my family home safe, number two is to protect others. A movie theatre is one of the worst possible places to defend from a CCW standpoint. If you're in the theatre legally carrying and somebody bursts in like that and you start firing you could easily hit innocent bystanders as they're running and screaming. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-07-22 3:47 PM annie - 2012-07-22 3:28 PM He was wearing heavy duty protection so if you armed everyone in the theater it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of death toll. Well if you armed everyone, I think it would make a difference... Sorry just adding a little levity to a difficult situation. In all seriousness there is no way of knowing if it would have helped or made things worse. Somebody hitting him in his body armor could have made him turn and run because it really seems like he wanted to live so he could soak up the infamy. Or a CCW unloading on him could have just drawn his fire and resulted in the deaths of all the people around the CCW holder. If it were me and I were there I would have likely kept my weapon holstered unless the bad guy came up on me with an engagement eminent. My number one rule of CCW is to get me any my family home safe, number two is to protect others. A movie theatre is one of the worst possible places to defend from a CCW standpoint. If you're in the theatre legally carrying and somebody bursts in like that and you start firing you could easily hit innocent bystanders as they're running and screaming. Hey, I'll take all the levity I can get as this is such a tough topic for our nation to discuss but I've seen some folks keep it pretty decent on BT. I agree, it is pretty impossible to say what would be the results of every one being armed. I don't think this is gonna happen any sooner than getting tougher gun laws in our country. And tougher gun laws probably would not have kept guns out of the hands of this particular killer. Your last paragraph was kind of what I was imagining: how do you shoot a guy with a lot of body armor while he is spraying a packed theater with an automatic weapon. On top of the panic stricken crowd doing what it does, it is dark except for the flickering light of a movie. I suppose the main thing I want to ask/beg is: Come on people think! There has to be some way or more likely several ways we could as a nation cut back on this sort of thing. We are an innovative people. There has to be some good ideas out there. How 'bout some stupid ones as they may be sitting right on top of a good one. Here is a stupid idea to get you all flowing Wild Idea #1 Only women can buy guns although they may buy guns for men in their lives to protect the family. Rationale: men in close relationships with women are less likely to commit mass murder. (Hmmm . . . I think serial killers are often happily married). Yes, I KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! I just want to get some ideas flowing. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() zed707 - 2012-07-22 4:45 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. Right, it is not perfect. But in instances like this, where it is VERY OBVIOUS that the person is guilty... why are we going to use tax payers money on him staying alive? Although, I'm all for keeping him alive. Jail looks pretty darn miserable. Even though our jails are all plush compared to what goes on overseas. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-07-22 4:47 PM annie - 2012-07-22 3:28 PM He was wearing heavy duty protection so if you armed everyone in the theater it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of death toll. Well if you armed everyone, I think it would make a difference... Sorry just adding a little levity to a difficult situation. In all seriousness there is no way of knowing if it would have helped or made things worse. Somebody hitting him in his body armor could have made him turn and run because it really seems like he wanted to live so he could soak up the infamy. Or a CCW unloading on him could have just drawn his fire and resulted in the deaths of all the people around the CCW holder. If it were me and I were there I would have likely kept my weapon holstered unless the bad guy came up on me with an engagement eminent. My number one rule of CCW is to get me any my family home safe, number two is to protect others. A movie theatre is one of the worst possible places to defend from a CCW standpoint. If you're in the theatre legally carrying and somebody bursts in like that and you start firing you could easily hit innocent bystanders as they're running and screaming. That was my argument on my FB page. Here's what my second cousin had to say: I don't believe you can immediately rule out the defensive use of a handgun in this situation. I do not know the specifics of this incident, but early reports indict he shot people as they tried to exit, which means he moved around in the aisles to cover multiple exits. With movement comes exposure. Tear gas is merely an irritant, and bullet proof vest is not impenetrable nor fully covering. He was not an unstoppable fortress. Granted, a CHL holder is 100% responsible for every bullet that leaves their gun, but prudence combined with skill could have guided a response. Look at the elderly man in Florida who shot at the robbers in the Internet cafe. He wisely waited for an opening, ensured his backdrop, and maneuvered against the robbers to get a clear shot despite a bunch of clueless idiots walking around. Remember folks, when you only have seconds, the cops are minutes away. Only you are ultimately responsible, for your own protection. Carry your damn guns. I live in Texas. While I don't own a gun (I'm too cheap to buy one), I'm certainly not against them. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was in Colorado when the shooting happened, was in Ft. Collins for a conference which is about an hour north of Aurora. This was very sad news and I was shocked. My heart goes out to all the families |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KSH - 2012-07-22 9:03 PM zed707 - 2012-07-22 4:45 PM Right, it is not perfect. But in instances like this, where it is VERY OBVIOUS that the person is guilty... why are we going to use tax payers money on him staying alive? Although, I'm all for keeping him alive. Jail looks pretty darn miserable. Even though our jails are all plush compared to what goes on overseas. mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. I am 100% against the death penalty...but I never said I was 100% anti-"never-ending uncomfortable measures." The death penalty would be a heavenly thought to my "worst of the worst." For those who would otherwise be sentenced to death, being kept alive in absolute, uncomfortable isolation, never to be heard from or seen again by another human soul seems appropriate to me.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Speculating is useless. No one can say for certain what would have happened if.....whatever. One thing for sure, another lunatic will get his hands on a gun and do this again. You may have a chance to save yourself or your family if you are armed. Not always, and only you can decide if the risk of carrying a gun is worth the responsibility and training that should come with it. Heavily armored people in the midst of a criminal act have been killed. (watch a video sometime of the LA bank robbery that started the nation's police forces down the road to carrying AR-15's ) What we have learned over the years is that you have to attack these people while they are in the middle of their spree in order to end it......and then you have this one...where the guy just walks out and gives up. What it should teach us is that these people are freaks, lunatics, hopelessly warped....there is NOTHING to learn from them....they fit no pattern. That brings me back to my first sentence....you can't figure it, you damn sure can't say what you'd do in this deal....who the hell ever planned, or even thought of, walking into a movie theater and shooting everyone you can? Who spent a minute of time thinking of how they'd defend it? You'd have to be as crazy as the bastard who did this to spend any time thinking of it. Really, fork this guy...he's bat chit crazy...that's all you need to know. (sorry for working around the filter...some things are worth it) As someone who has been close to this type of incident.....my heart goes out to all involved....the aftermath lasts YEARS. There are NO answers....don't even look for them. Oh yeah.....I'm all for CCW....I'm absolutely against the death penalty. Edited by Left Brain 2012-07-22 11:18 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() annie - 2012-07-22 6:42 PM tuwood - 2012-07-22 3:47 PM He was wearing heavy duty protection so if you armed everyone in the theater it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of death toll. Your last paragraph was kind of what I was imagining: how do you shoot a guy with a lot of body armor while he is spraying a packed theater with an automatic weapon. On top of the panic stricken crowd doing what it does, it is dark except for the flickering light of a movie. I suppose the main thing I want to ask/beg is: Come on people think! There has to be some way or more likely several ways we could as a nation cut back on this sort of thing. We are an innovative people. There has to be some good ideas out there. How 'bout some stupid ones as they may be sitting right on top of a good one. Here is a stupid idea to get you all flowing
It wasn't an automatic. It was a semi-automatic. It matters. Everyone thinks anyone can own automatic weapons... you have to have a special license. It has nothing to do with guns... if a person is intent on doing mass harm to people they will. Magic wand... poof, no guns. Lady runs down scores of people on the sidewalk killing a couple. That happend. Divorced bus driver decides to drive in front of a train. A guy deonates a propane bottle in a crowd. Guy decides to take out his office and poisons everyone with a toast of arsenic. I mean what does it matter? You are not going to stop a determined intelligent person intent on inflicting violence on others. Nor can you plan for all such violence and defend your self 100% from such random acts. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2012-07-22 12:14 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. And that is what I don't get, because all those calling for torture are not victims. If my wife was shot I would want death and torture, but that would be understandable. It would be natural for me to react with hatred, anger, and vengence. I just don't understand why rational people not directly effected feel the need to sink to the level of the crazy person. I guess thoughts are not actions. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-07-23 12:51 AM rayd - 2012-07-22 12:14 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. And that is what I don't get, because all those calling for torture are not victims. If my wife was shot I would want death and torture, but that would be understandable. It would be natural for me to react with hatred, anger, and vengence. I just don't understand why rational people not directly effected feel the need to sink to the level of the crazy person. I guess thoughts are not actions. Because we as a society have gotten soft and no longer punish the actions of a monster in the appropriate manner. It's not vengeance... it's punishment. And it's not sinking to the level of a crazy person, it is a call for our society to fix the things that need fixing. In addition to needing to identify these type of people earlier, in addition to getting mentally disturbed people help, in addition to reviewing "some" of the gun laws (100 capacity magazine really?) we ALSO need to make punishment for actions like this MUCH harsher. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-07-23 9:26 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-07-23 9:20 AM powerman - 2012-07-23 12:51 AM rayd - 2012-07-22 12:14 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. And that is what I don't get, because all those calling for torture are not victims. If my wife was shot I would want death and torture, but that would be understandable. It would be natural for me to react with hatred, anger, and vengence. I just don't understand why rational people not directly effected feel the need to sink to the level of the crazy person. I guess thoughts are not actions. Because we as a society have gotten soft and no longer punish the actions of a monster in the appropriate manner. It's not vengeance... it's punishment. And it's not sinking to the level of a crazy person, it is a call for our society to fix the things that need fixing. In addition to needing to identify these type of people earlier, in addition to getting mentally disturbed people help, in addition to reviewing "some" of the gun laws (100 capacity magazine really?) we ALSO need to make punishment for actions like this MUCH harsher.
People who commit mass murder don't think or care about the punishment.....I'm sorry, they just don't....it's part of being crazy as hell. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChineseDemocracy - 2012-07-22 9:26 PM KSH - 2012-07-22 9:03 PM zed707 - 2012-07-22 4:45 PM Right, it is not perfect. But in instances like this, where it is VERY OBVIOUS that the person is guilty... why are we going to use tax payers money on him staying alive? Although, I'm all for keeping him alive. Jail looks pretty darn miserable. Even though our jails are all plush compared to what goes on overseas. mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. I am 100% against the death penalty...but I never said I was 100% anti-"never-ending uncomfortable measures." The death penalty would be a heavenly thought to my "worst of the worst." For those who would otherwise be sentenced to death, being kept alive in absolute, uncomfortable isolation, never to be heard from or seen again by another human soul seems appropriate to me.
I'm with you on this one. I am 100% against the death penalty as well. Losing your freedom is the most excruciating punishment imaginable and isolation within a prison in solitary is down right torture. For those that say prison is a country club and not punishment have obviously never seen the other side of prison bars. The death penalty is by far the lesser punishment and gives the person a ticket out. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-07-23 9:56 AM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-07-22 9:26 PM KSH - 2012-07-22 9:03 PM zed707 - 2012-07-22 4:45 PM Right, it is not perfect. But in instances like this, where it is VERY OBVIOUS that the person is guilty... why are we going to use tax payers money on him staying alive? Although, I'm all for keeping him alive. Jail looks pretty darn miserable. Even though our jails are all plush compared to what goes on overseas. mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. I am 100% against the death penalty...but I never said I was 100% anti-"never-ending uncomfortable measures." The death penalty would be a heavenly thought to my "worst of the worst." For those who would otherwise be sentenced to death, being kept alive in absolute, uncomfortable isolation, never to be heard from or seen again by another human soul seems appropriate to me.
I'm with you on this one. I am 100% against the death penalty as well. Losing your freedom is the most excruciating punishment imaginable and isolation within a prison in solitary is down right torture. For those that say prison is a country club and not punishment have obviously never seen the other side of prison bars. The death penalty is by far the lesser punishment and gives the person a ticket out. Yeah I am against the death penalty, but I think death row is too solitary for him. He killed a beautiful little girl, as well as other beautiful people who had a lot of life left. I say throw him into the general population. They will deal with him. Even in prison they despise people who do anything to a child. Most of them have a warped concept of right and wrong, but let them deal with him. Sorry, but I am so angry over this. I am even angrier that he had the signs and his mom stated they had the right person before she even had all the facts. She knew he needed help for his mental illness. I am even angrier that he left 5 sets of children without parents. Killing troops now makes it a federal offense, so we will see how this proceeds, but either way the eventual decision will not be the right one. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-07-23 10:52 AM TriRSquared - 2012-07-23 9:20 AM powerman - 2012-07-23 12:51 AM rayd - 2012-07-22 12:14 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. And that is what I don't get, because all those calling for torture are not victims. If my wife was shot I would want death and torture, but that would be understandable. It would be natural for me to react with hatred, anger, and vengence. I just don't understand why rational people not directly effected feel the need to sink to the level of the crazy person. I guess thoughts are not actions. Because we as a society have gotten soft and no longer punish the actions of a monster in the appropriate manner. It's not vengeance... it's punishment. And it's not sinking to the level of a crazy person, it is a call for our society to fix the things that need fixing. In addition to needing to identify these type of people earlier, in addition to getting mentally disturbed people help, in addition to reviewing "some" of the gun laws (100 capacity magazine really?) we ALSO need to make punishment for actions like this MUCH harsher. People who commit mass murder don't think or care about the punishment.....I'm sorry, they just don't....it's part of being crazy as hell. They want attention (which is what this guy is getting). He's not crazy in the "space aliens are running the planet" sense. He's a sociopath with no remorse. He's loving the media frenzy that has surrounded this event. Why else would he have booby trapped his apartment? Even more attention after his (possible) death. In a perfect world he would have been gunned down by the police. His name never released. No 24/7 media coverage. Cover it locally, deal with the victims and their families. But stop sensationalizing it. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ecozenmama - 2012-07-23 10:08 AM tuwood - 2012-07-23 9:56 AM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-07-22 9:26 PM KSH - 2012-07-22 9:03 PM zed707 - 2012-07-22 4:45 PM Right, it is not perfect. But in instances like this, where it is VERY OBVIOUS that the person is guilty... why are we going to use tax payers money on him staying alive? Although, I'm all for keeping him alive. Jail looks pretty darn miserable. Even though our jails are all plush compared to what goes on overseas. mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. I am strongly against the death penalty. We've had multiple threads on this over the years and this incident doesn't change my view--even if the victim was a friend or family member. Our criminal justice system is not perfect. I can't imagine how anyone who understands this would be pro-death penalty. A certain number of innocents, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, and killed by the government is acceptable? NO! If you're wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, then tell me you're pro-death sentence. I bet not. And torture? I can't even believe this has been suggested. I'm also saddened. I am 100% against the death penalty...but I never said I was 100% anti-"never-ending uncomfortable measures." The death penalty would be a heavenly thought to my "worst of the worst." For those who would otherwise be sentenced to death, being kept alive in absolute, uncomfortable isolation, never to be heard from or seen again by another human soul seems appropriate to me.
I'm with you on this one. I am 100% against the death penalty as well. Losing your freedom is the most excruciating punishment imaginable and isolation within a prison in solitary is down right torture. For those that say prison is a country club and not punishment have obviously never seen the other side of prison bars. The death penalty is by far the lesser punishment and gives the person a ticket out. Yeah I am against the death penalty, but I think death row is too solitary for him. He killed a beautiful little girl, as well as other beautiful people who had a lot of life left. I say throw him into the general population. They will deal with him. Even in prison they despise people who do anything to a child. Most of them have a warped concept of right and wrong, but let them deal with him. Sorry, but I am so angry over this. I am even angrier that he had the signs and his mom stated they had the right person before she even had all the facts. She knew he needed help for his mental illness. I am even angrier that he left 5 sets of children without parents. Killing troops now makes it a federal offense, so we will see how this proceeds, but either way the eventual decision will not be the right one. I read somewhere over the weekend that other inmates already wanted to kill him. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in general population. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-07-23 8:20 AM powerman - 2012-07-23 12:51 AM rayd - 2012-07-22 12:14 PM mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 11:27 AMI am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. Something tells me that if one of the victims was a son, daughter, grand daughter, you might have a different point of view. And that is what I don't get, because all those calling for torture are not victims. If my wife was shot I would want death and torture, but that would be understandable. It would be natural for me to react with hatred, anger, and vengence. I just don't understand why rational people not directly effected feel the need to sink to the level of the crazy person. I guess thoughts are not actions. Because we as a society have gotten soft and no longer punish the actions of a monster in the appropriate manner. It's not vengeance... it's punishment. And it's not sinking to the level of a crazy person, it is a call for our society to fix the things that need fixing. In addition to needing to identify these type of people earlier, in addition to getting mentally disturbed people help, in addition to reviewing "some" of the gun laws (100 capacity magazine really?) we ALSO need to make punishment for actions like this MUCH harsher. OK... what is the appropriate "punishment" for a guy that kills 12 and shoots 58? If we as a society have gotten "soft", then what is the appropriate "punishment" supposed to do for society? Seriously. If you think killing lots of people and wounding lots more sounds like a good idea, and then you spend weeks, months putting a plan into action to make it happen... you have already checked out from reality. There is a serious disconnect between actions and consequences. There is a serious disconnect between empathy and sympathy towards your fellow man. If you think killing lots of people and being killed in a hail of police gun fire sounds like a good way to end your life... exactly what is the appropriate punishment supposed to be to stop future psychopaths from doing that? And what does society get in return? I mean locked up in a maximum security cage for life takes care of the threat. Most die at the scene by police, or their own hand. So the death sentence is no big deal either.... torture, what is that supposed to do for society? This is not being "soft" on the shooter... it's just reality. Torturing him gives me nothing. It does not bring back their loved ones. I'm OK with him being put to death, but that does not do anything either... except spare the loved ones left behind seeing his interview on 20/20 in 5 years. Or listening to his idiotic life being reported in the media forever. Edited by powerman 2012-07-23 10:32 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2012-07-22 12:27 PM I am saddened by all the calls for violent vengeance, but I'm not surprised and that saddens me even more. I agree. It's very sad. We're better than societies that allow torture, we're beyond that. Or we're supposed to be. I'm torn on the death penalty. I believed that it was the only way to get rid of these monsters but now I think I agree that letting them rot in prison and think about what they did in isolation for, oh, 50 or 60 years, is a way better punishment. Government-sponsored torture isn't the answer. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Big Appa - 2012-07-23 9:17 AM Sorry for the rant but I really hate how people call any semi-auto rifle an assault rifle. Unless they are full auto I wouldn't call them an assault rifle that is just ignorant and for media headlines IMO. [/rant]
Agreed, and sorry but banning 100 round magazines will do nothing to stop someone like this from obtaining one. With four months of known planning time he would have plenty of ways to get a hold of an illegal magazine. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Aarondb4 - 2012-07-23 9:32 AM Big Appa - 2012-07-23 9:17 AM Sorry for the rant but I really hate how people call any semi-auto rifle an assault rifle. Unless they are full auto I wouldn't call them an assault rifle that is just ignorant and for media headlines IMO. [/rant]
Agreed, and sorry but banning 100 round magazines will do nothing to stop someone like this from obtaining one. With four months of known planning time he would have plenty of ways to get a hold of an illegal magazine. Ya, the absurdity of tens of thousands of pre ban mags.... but really, that is like one little thing that can help. The 10 round mag was silly. What ever the gun can do... 15, 9s can be 17.... but extended 30/45/100 round mags? You just don't need them. I mean you really don't. Yes you can tape two together and be pretty quick. If they do ban hi cap mags again... at least do not allow the sale of pre bans... or just don't do it at all. The last ban was 100% ineffective. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-07-23 8:38 AM Aarondb4 - 2012-07-23 9:32 AM Big Appa - 2012-07-23 9:17 AM Sorry for the rant but I really hate how people call any semi-auto rifle an assault rifle. Unless they are full auto I wouldn't call them an assault rifle that is just ignorant and for media headlines IMO. [/rant]
Agreed, and sorry but banning 100 round magazines will do nothing to stop someone like this from obtaining one. With four months of known planning time he would have plenty of ways to get a hold of an illegal magazine. Ya, the absurdity of tens of thousands of pre ban mags.... but really, that is like one little thing that can help. The 10 round mag was silly. What ever the gun can do... 15, 9s can be 17.... but extended 30/45/100 round mags? You just don't need them. I mean you really don't. Yes you can tape two together and be pretty quick. If they do ban hi cap mags again... at least do not allow the sale of pre bans... or just don't do it at all. The last ban was 100% ineffective. It's not just the hi cap mag's but the fact that I have seen many media factions continually to call any semi-auto rifles with removable mag's "assault" rifles and it becomes a buzz word. Later on the public demands we ban thease "assault" rifles without any real knowledge on the subject. There are buzz words that people use to invoke a fear out of the public and the phrase assault rifle is one of them. Edited by Big Appa 2012-07-23 10:50 AM |
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![]() powerman - 2012-07-23 11:38 AM Aarondb4 - 2012-07-23 9:32 AM Big Appa - 2012-07-23 9:17 AM Sorry for the rant but I really hate how people call any semi-auto rifle an assault rifle. Unless they are full auto I wouldn't call them an assault rifle that is just ignorant and for media headlines IMO. [/rant]
Agreed, and sorry but banning 100 round magazines will do nothing to stop someone like this from obtaining one. With four months of known planning time he would have plenty of ways to get a hold of an illegal magazine. Ya, the absurdity of tens of thousands of pre ban mags.... but really, that is like one little thing that can help. The 10 round mag was silly. What ever the gun can do... 15, 9s can be 17.... but extended 30/45/100 round mags? You just don't need them. I mean you really don't. Yes you can tape two together and be pretty quick. If they do ban hi cap mags again... at least do not allow the sale of pre bans... or just don't do it at all. The last ban was 100% ineffective. I'm kinda glad the guy had a 100 round magazine. Just think if he weren't allowed to and only had magazines that worked. He wouldn't have had the jam and more people may very well have died. The guy in UT had his firearm taken away from him because it had an extended magazine that allowed an onlooker to grab it and wrest the gun away. Good thing in both cases that higher than standard capacity magazines were used! |
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