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 2013-02-01 10:12 AM in reply to: #4603979 |
Master  2277    Lake Norman, NC |  Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly."Mistakes here (and I spent many many many years as a bartender, waiter, and restaurant manager):
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| 2013-02-01 10:13 AM in reply to: #4604212 |
Pro 4838 | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." lisac957 - 2013-02-01 9:58 AM Iowaman - 2013-02-01 9:32 AM If you didn't like the service or it wasn't to your satisfaction, you still tip. If you think 18% is to high at least give something. A lot of wait staff work of tips. That pastor is totally wrong. Stiifing wait staff on a $34.00 dollar bill. Next time eat at McDonald's, you don't have to tip at the drive thru jerkoff. God hates none tippers. It's in the bible. It wasn't a matter of what the patron *thought* she should give - it was company policy to auto-charge the 18%. Like I said, then eat somewhere you can afford to pay and tip. Stiffing the waitress isn't right. Don't go or support that food chain anymore but pay what your expected while you're there. |
| 2013-02-01 10:13 AM in reply to: #4604244 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:10 AM mehaner - 2013-02-01 5:03 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:01 AM crusevegas - 2013-02-01 4:58 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 7:51 AM Ban tipping, Pay fair wages, and none of this would have happened. We live in free society or so we are told,,,, you have a lot of options if you don't like the way things are currently. Open your own restaurant and make that the policy and do so well you set a trend others will follow. Don't go to restaurants that operate this way. Become a politician and take more freedoms away from people who think differently than you do. FWIW,,,, TIPS stands for "To Insure Proper Service" Why is it that only restaurants and golf courses operate on this principle then ? i tip my hairstylist, manicurist, masseuse, taxi drivers (in the US...other countries have different norms and i tip according to those when i am in them) I've lived in a lot of different places. The vast majority of them work pretty well and there's nothing like the tipping that there is in the US. I really don't get why people can't be hired to do a good job, get paid a fair wage, and just do it. Question- What percentage of total income come from tips for a person that works in a restaurant ? And is this 100% declared as income on their tax returns ? as a former waitress....probably 95% of my income was tips and i only reported 15% of my sales because that is the "standard" that the gov't bases your earnings on. so if you are a decent server, you come out way ahead in this bargain.
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| 2013-02-01 10:16 AM in reply to: #4603979 |
Regular 1023 Madrid | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? |
| 2013-02-01 10:19 AM in reply to: #4604258 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? 15% of SALES is a waitress's income. |
| 2013-02-01 10:20 AM in reply to: #4604244 |
| Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 8:10 AM mehaner - 2013-02-01 5:03 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:01 AM crusevegas - 2013-02-01 4:58 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 7:51 AM Ban tipping, Pay fair wages, and none of this would have happened. We live in free society or so we are told,,,, you have a lot of options if you don't like the way things are currently. Open your own restaurant and make that the policy and do so well you set a trend others will follow. Don't go to restaurants that operate this way. Become a politician and take more freedoms away from people who think differently than you do. FWIW,,,, TIPS stands for "To Insure Proper Service" Why is it that only restaurants and golf courses operate on this principle then ? i tip my hairstylist, manicurist, masseuse, taxi drivers (in the US...other countries have different norms and i tip according to those when i am in them) I've lived in a lot of different places. The vast majority of them work pretty well and there's nothing like the tipping that there is in the US. I really don't get why people can't be hired to do a good job, get paid a fair wage, and just do it. Question- What percentage of total income come from tips for a person that works in a restaurant ? And is this 100% declared as income on their tax returns ? Oh good,,,,,,,,,,, more lets change the USA to look like the rest of the world... I am so sick of hearing this type krap! |
| 2013-02-01 10:21 AM in reply to: #4604258 |
Expert 1310 Alabama | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 10:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? It's 15% of their sales upon which are tip able I believe. I worked as a server at Applebee's in College. A family once left me a penny, and they got excellent service since they were the only ones in my section at 3pm in the afternoon. I also had a bunch of teenagers write "Tip: look both ways before crossing the street". I saw it all at Applebee's, but I bet I averaged about 18% for tips in the long run. The best tippers were usually the college students. |
| 2013-02-01 10:21 AM in reply to: #4604262 |
Regular 1023 Madrid | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." mehaner - 2013-02-01 5:19 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? 15% of SALES is a waitress's income. Ah ok understood. I just think the tipping thing is over the top in the US. But to each their own... |
| 2013-02-01 10:23 AM in reply to: #4604262 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." mehaner - 2013-02-01 10:19 AM gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? 15% of SALES is a waitress's income. Yes. At the end of the night when we would clock out, the computer would tabulate how much tips were on credit cards and ask how much in cash tips you received. Some people entered the full amount, others "rounded" and others blatantly put in just enough so it looked like they were making minimum wage (required otherwise the restaurant had to pay you extra to get there), even though they were absolutely banking. I suspect it's the same in any cash based industry - people chose what to report and sometimes they are dishonest. |
| 2013-02-01 10:23 AM in reply to: #4604258 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 10:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? No it's 15 percent of sales as income. Because the government assumes that servers will earn 15 percent in gratuities from their sales. Also, you suggest eliminating tipping. If you do that, you get service in the U.S. like you get in Europe. And I can say from experience that's not a good thing. The tipping system is by far the best around because everybody benefits. If good service is given, the server benefits by getting a better tip. If the service sucks, as it nearly always did in England at places where tipping isn't normal, then they can get a smaller tip. Encourages servers to give better service. And, I've never seen anybody make such a racist statement and then claim it wasn't racist. I guess that kind of thing is humorous to some people, and by `some people' I mean `racist people.' |
| 2013-02-01 10:25 AM in reply to: #4603979 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." In Japan, if you tip, they will chase you across the parking lot to give you back the money you left... It's almost insulting them if you give them a tip. I kinda like that. A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. |
| 2013-02-01 10:29 AM in reply to: #4604280 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 11:25 AM In Japan, if you tip, they will chase you across the parking lot to give you back the money you left... It's almost insulting them if you give them a tip. I kinda like that. A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. some people like to work for tips because you don't need a degree and can sleep in and make way more than you can as a cashier or something. i liked waitressing in college, a lot. it's flexible and it's fun and i could make $200 in an 8-hour shift pretty easily. that's significantly better than min. wage. |
| 2013-02-01 10:30 AM in reply to: #4603979 |
Regular 1023 Madrid | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." Sorry disagree on service in EU. First- I go to restaurants for the food. Not for some smiley over sugary hi my name is suzi with an i to cling to the table topping off my water glass every time take a sip. Service should be take the order, get it right, make sure it arrives hot, and leave me alone. And for that I should pay 20% over the bill ? |
| 2013-02-01 10:30 AM in reply to: #4604280 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:25 AM A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. I hate this argument. That's just not the way the system is set up. |
| 2013-02-01 10:30 AM in reply to: #4604269 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM mehaner - 2013-02-01 5:19 PM gr33n - 2013-02-01 11:16 AM Seriously the IRS is ok with servers only reporting 15% of their income ? 15% of SALES is a waitress's income. Ah ok understood. I just think the tipping thing is over the top in the US. But to each their own... In general or in restaurants?
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| 2013-02-01 10:31 AM in reply to: #4604280 |
| Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 8:25 AM In Japan, if you tip, they will chase you across the parking lot to give you back the money you left... It's almost insulting them if you give them a tip. I kinda like that. A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. A tip is optional. Why do you think a business needs to be dictated to on how they compensate their employees rather than them having the "freedom" to choose for themselves? Are we a better nation with more freedom or less freedom? |
| 2013-02-01 10:31 AM in reply to: #4604293 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM Sorry disagree on service in EU. First- I go to restaurants for the food. Not for some smiley over sugary hi my name is suzi with an i to cling to the table topping off my water glass every time take a sip. Service should be take the order, get it right, make sure it arrives hot, and leave me alone. And for that I should pay 20% over the bill ? When they are paid 1/4 of minimum wage? Yes, you should. |
| 2013-02-01 10:33 AM in reply to: #4604291 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." mehaner - 2013-02-01 10:29 AM GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 11:25 AM In Japan, if you tip, they will chase you across the parking lot to give you back the money you left... It's almost insulting them if you give them a tip. I kinda like that. A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. some people like to work for tips because you don't need a degree and can sleep in and make way more than you can as a cashier or something. i liked waitressing in college, a lot. it's flexible and it's fun and i could make $200 in an 8-hour shift pretty easily. that's significantly better than min. wage. That's a good point. Not the sleeping-in part because I have no sympathy for that. But the flexibility. I seem to recall a good discussion on this subject in a movie... What movie could that be???
Of course I know what movie it is... I'm just seeing who else remembers this one. Edited by GomesBolt 2013-02-01 10:36 AM |
| 2013-02-01 10:34 AM in reply to: #4604294 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." lisac957 - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:25 AM A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. I hate this argument. That's just not the way the system is set up. So what is the appropriate amount? 15% for not good or average service. 20% for exceptional service? |
| 2013-02-01 10:35 AM in reply to: #4604293 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." gr33n - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM Sorry disagree on service in EU. First- I go to restaurants for the food. Not for some smiley over sugary hi my name is suzi with an i to cling to the table topping off my water glass every time take a sip. Service should be take the order, get it right, make sure it arrives hot, and leave me alone. And for that I should pay 20% over the bill ? Right. I agree. Sadly, when there's no tipping I found that it was `Wait too long to be seated. Sit at table waiting for server while he/she chats with the other servers or texts on her phone. When he/she arrives he/she is less than pleasant. No way to alter an order, even if you don't like something or have an allergy to an ingredient. Food takes forever to get. When it arrives it's not correct. Server is put out by your complaint that what arrived is not what you ordered and begrudgingly takes it back. When food arrives a second time it's still not correct but you eat it anyway so as not to cause a scene and/or because you're hungry by this point.' OK that's an extreme case but in London at least I would say it's the rule more than the exception. A few places have great service and great employees but I found that more often than not, this or a combination of these events were the rule rather than the exception. I had a bartender make me wait to get drinks until his horse race was over. I had `cajun chicken' come out with no spice and when I asked for spice she put some pepper on it. Maybe it's a London thing? |
| 2013-02-01 10:37 AM in reply to: #4603979 |
Regular 1023 Madrid | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." Thats my point- they should be paid a fair wage and expected to provide good service if they are in a service based role. If not sack em. Obviously 25% of minimum wage is not a fair wage. Last time I was back in the US I was amazed at the tip jars on every counter in every retail place or any site that has public interaction. If thats the way its going it doesn't end well.... |
| 2013-02-01 10:38 AM in reply to: #4604316 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." mr2tony - 2013-02-01 10:35 AM End Tony's Postgr33n - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM Sorry disagree on service in EU. First- I go to restaurants for the food. Not for some smiley over sugary hi my name is suzi with an i to cling to the table topping off my water glass every time take a sip. Service should be take the order, get it right, make sure it arrives hot, and leave me alone. And for that I should pay 20% over the bill ? Right. I agree. Sadly, when there's no tipping I found that it was `Wait too long to be seated. Sit at table waiting for server while he/she chats with the other servers or texts on her phone. When he/she arrives he/she is less than pleasant. No way to alter an order, even if you don't like something or have an allergy to an ingredient. Food takes forever to get. When it arrives it's not correct. Server is put out by your complaint that what arrived is not what you ordered and begrudgingly takes it back. When food arrives a second time it's still not correct but you eat it anyway so as not to cause a scene and/or because you're hungry by this point.' OK that's an extreme case but in London at least I would say it's the rule more than the exception. A few places have great service and great employees but I found that more often than not, this or a combination of these events were the rule rather than the exception. I had a bartender make me wait to get drinks until his horse race was over. I had `cajun chicken' come out with no spice and when I asked for spice she put some pepper on it. Maybe it's a London thing?Yeah, probably a London thing. I think service in Austria couldn't be better, same for Czech Republic. Italy wasn't bad (wasn't great either). Germany was about the same as the US. Spain, the service was always pretty good. I think it must've been an England thing Tony. If you go to Bulgaria, the head nod means "no" and the shake of the head means "yes" Just a warning.
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| 2013-02-01 10:39 AM in reply to: #4604304 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." Well, at this point, someone had to post this. Might as well be me: Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck! Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip. Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip? Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it. Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping? Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make (squat). Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit. Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a (stingy curmudgeon) who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip? Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job. Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice. Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special. Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and (kiss you sweetly)? Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that. "Reservoir Dogs", one of the best written movies of all time, IMO. |
| 2013-02-01 10:39 AM in reply to: #4604312 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:34 AM lisac957 - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:25 AM A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. I hate this argument. That's just not the way the system is set up. So what is the appropriate amount? 15% for not good or average service. 20% for exceptional service? I would say that's fair. At the pubs I frequent I always leave a little more because I want good service. I worked as a server and bartender for years. Bad tippers suck when you're making $2 an hour. But it did give me the incentive I needed to give people good or great service! |
| 2013-02-01 10:40 AM in reply to: #4604312 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: As they say, "Well, that escalated quickly." GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:34 AM lisac957 - 2013-02-01 10:30 AM GomesBolt - 2013-02-01 10:25 AM A tip should be optional. They should pay their people a regular wage. I hate this argument. That's just not the way the system is set up. So what is the appropriate amount? 15% for not good or average service. 20% for exceptional service? We tip 20% if we get good service. (almost always) I'll tip 10% if the service is really bad. (rarely happens) I think my wife would tip 20% of her food came out with ants crawling around on it and a waiter poured a drink over her head.
Edited by Left Brain 2013-02-01 10:41 AM |
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