Bernie Sanders Thread (Page 3)

idk about the trump thing... but i love love love this

Me too, he'll be much easier to beat than Hillary.  He's as whacky as they get and I don't think his class warfare platform is going to play very well in this political climate.

As for his strategy on the Clinton's it's the most brilliant political move I've ever seen.  Hillary brought out Bill because he was her secret weapon and she's running on the "war on women" motif.  Trump completely destroyed her by pointing out the fact that she has covered for a sexual predator and attacked his victims her entire marriage and it stuck.  If you'll notice we're no longer seeing Bill on the campaign trail and Bernie's surging in the polls.

As for the Birther stuff on Cruz, it's actually a lot different than the Obama stuff.  With Obama people were accusing him of being born in Kenya but there was no proof of it, and he ultimately released his Birth Certificate which proved that he was born on US soil.  With Cruz, there's no question that he wasn't born on US soil  which raises a legitimate legal question that's never been tested.
Personally, I thought it was a little odd to go after him in that way but Trump has done it in a subtle enough way "you know he might have an issue with being born in canada" that lets the press and everyone else jump in and do the dirty work.
Even McCain jumped in suggesting that it will be a problem and there's no question the Democrats will go hog wild trying to get an activist court to make Cruz ineligible (after he gets the nomination of course) so I do see it as a legitimate issue to be vetted out in the primary process.

Now legally speaking I'm obviously not a lawyer, but I read a really good opinion piece several years ago when Obama was the subject matter.  It basically opined that you are either a natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen (received citizenship at some point after birth) and it doesn't matter where you're physically born.  It made a lot of sense to me, so I suspect Cruz ultimately won't have an eligibility issue.

just saw this on Facebook.  lol

Ted Cruz' citizenship status was based on his mother being a US citizen.  There is evidence that she appeared on a Canadian voter list.  If so, then she would have by default lost her American citizenship.  Since Cruz was never naturalized, because he was thought to be a citizen, this could potentially mean he is not a citizen.  In fact, he would be an illegal alien.

wonder if they will remove him from the senate and deport him

Like I just mentioned, this is the exact kind of stuff that the Democrats will bring up in the general.

That being said, this was another line of argument against Obama back in 2008.  He was born on US soil, but his mother re-married to Barry Soetoro and moved to Indonesia and became an indonesian citizen.  Per indonesian law, Obama was legally adopted and became an indonesian citizen as well and allegedly traveled throughout his young adult life with his indonesian passport.  Per indonesian law, when you become a citizen you "lose" your other citizenships.

However, that one was easily argued against because no other country can make you "lose" your american citizenship.  The only way to lose it is to renounce it yourself, so unless Cruz or his Mother intentionally renounced their citizenship then its irrelevant just as it was for Obama.

One fun fact on Obama.  At birth, his father was a Kenyan citizen which was controlled by Britain, so his father was a dual Kenyan/British citizen.  His mother was American and later married an Indonesian citizen.  So at birth Obama was legally a US/British/Kenyan citizen and a few years later became a US/British/Kenyan/Indonesian citizen.  So, if he's legally eligible after all that (and I believe he is) it's hard for me to believe that Cruz isn't.

oops sorry, Barry Soetoro was what Obama went by, his stepdad was named Lolo Soetoro.

huh?

C'mon.....give Bill a break.  Just imagine being married to Hillary.

I'm guessing that was directed at me.

Infidelity isn't the issue.  Being married to and covering for a sexual predator is the issue.

I think it's quite accurate for Clinton.  Remember, his escapades happened in the era where there wasn't much attention towards sexual assaults and victims were rarely believed and DNA wasn't available.  If Clinton were to do what he did today he would be in jail and a registered sex offender.  The only way he's not a sexual predator is if his multiple victims were making it up.  If there was only one or even two, then I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but when there are multiple examples over many years it's a pattern.  He certainly has had many consensual extramarital relationships as well, which I really don't have a problem with but the non-consensual and positional abuse ones are a big problem.
http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm  (some light reading)

As for judging Trump for infidelity, it's quite honestly very low on my list of qualifications.  I believe that a man commits adultery even if he looks upon another woman with lust in his eyes, so I'm going to guarantee you that every person running is an adulterer from a Biblical sense (as am I).

As you mentioned, I feel very strongly about many moral issues and I do everything I can to try and overcome them personally and encourage others to do so as well.  However, I don't sit back and judge others based on their moral shortcomings as I perceive them.  I have no problem at all voting for a gay person, a polygamist, or an Atheist.  We're not a theocracy so religious credentials aren't high on my list of presidential qualifiers.  I do appreciate a solid moral character and take it into account, but I don't hold it higher than economic strategy or tax policy as an example.

Darn lazy Bernie supporters...  lol

bernie was the big winner of the night, stupid coin flips

i think this just proves how correct Bernie is and how we need a Federal Sidewalk Shoveling program. Think about the old, the disabled, the poor, and especially the children! We can do better!

A quick search shows a dirty dozen Bill the Bull. 

http://www.ranker.com/list/bill-clinton_s-loves-and-hookups/celebrityhookups?format=SLIDESHOW&page=12&action=lastpage

Like Tuwood said its more about hoe Bill and Hillary lied and tried to destroy these women, both financially and emotionally that is the issue, when Hillary is trying to say she is for women's rights. 

Not edited to correct the typo before Bill's name.

I tend to agree with one exception.  I don't think there's a single moderate (or otherwise) Republican in the US who will vote for Hillary.  lol

lol

I think that was a classic Freudian slip.