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 2011-01-19 9:04 AM in reply to: #3308276 |
Master  1572    Baltimore |  Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED!Do your knees ever hit your elbows? maybe it's just the angle that makes them look really close. Mine also come close, I wasn't sure if that meant I was cramped or if that was normal. |
| 2011-01-19 9:06 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
Master 1572 Baltimore | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Another question for you long course guys - would you ever consider 2 fits - an agressive short course fit and a more comfortable long course fit? Or is that just asking for trouble? |
| 2011-01-19 11:26 AM in reply to: #3308196 |
Member 413 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-01-19 7:55 AM KathyG - 2011-01-19 8:32 AMI liked your thoughts in the other thread Fred. . I agree, but I really don't have a problem with people doing IM as a bucket list thing. It's not my way and not your way, but I doubt that Kathy and Fred have the only approach that works. Some people might be just as happy doing IM on minimal training, I just know I would not. Different strokes for different folks. My guess is the majority of people in this group are looking to get better, not necessarily looking to train fewer hours for better results? I'm very serious about tri, but my way is not the only way to enjoy the sport.Reality is if we don't like training, why do IM or any triathlon? Yes most of us have time limitations with our lives so using our time as effectively as possible is a goal. There is a lot of time, mental dedication and money involved in the sport, so it should bring us joy and be something we look forward to on a day to day basis. Those that want short cuts or not want to put the time in, are they really trying to accomplish something to check off their bucket list or different goal than most of us. Excellent points you guys and thanks for addressing CF.... my head was spinning after reading that crossfit article in triathlete magazine thinking "ok should I be doing this?" I really just love bike/run (sometimes swim  ) like you do, too....it is such an escape isn't it? |
| 2011-01-19 12:42 PM in reply to: #3308276 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-01-19 9:20 AM Hey someone (I think Kathy) was asking about my bike fit. Here are some pics this am prior to my session. They are taken by my daughter while spinning. Lemme know your thoughts? Take this with a grain of salt since I'm not really qualified to assess anyone's position on the bike. Why do you choose not to have more drop? I think you'd previously posted that you did this on purpose, but can't remember. From looking at the two pics you seem to open yourself up to a lot of resistance from the wind. I know you're already FOP, so is this just a concious decision to give up some aero for comfort over IM distance? Just looks like you could go lower - that said the head/helmet position really meets nicely with the back and the angles of the arms seem to be pretty good. As to Joe's question about switching around positions for different distances, I think that's pretty valid. If you can hold a more agressive position for a Sprint or Olympic would it not make sense to do so. |
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Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I ran avoiding the icy roads and knee/leg was good; went swimming with BT friend working on one arm swimming breathing to non stroking side + lunch; and working on my PT exercises twice today; my left soleus has a lot of knots and Trigger Point hurts; finished off scrapping ice off the driveway |
| 2011-01-19 7:19 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Good day for me. An hour on the trainer this morning and then 45min in the pool at lunch. Question - at what point in your swim sessions does your form start to break down? Mine seems to happen pretty quickly and I attribute it to lack of endurance and not long enough sessions in the pool. Seems like a valid assumption to me, but will my form (and in turn my speed) improve by getting in extra yardage? Today the main set called for 3x150Easy 10'RI, 200Kick, 3x150Mod 15', 100Kick, 3x150Fast 30'RI. The first set I was arriving around 2:30 on average, which felt nice and comfortable and controlled. Then after the kick set (with fins, otherwise I'd be there all day), I started with a 2:21 - good this made sense, but then I couldn't go faster than 2:27 for the next two and felt the form was gone. For the final "fast set" I threw on the pull buoy to try and help but stayed at 2:27. So is it just a case of upping the distances a bit and the form will stay strong further into the session? I'm only now starting to get the sessions around 2400yds, although I may be able to squeeze in one swim a week that's over 3000yds. |
| 2011-01-19 7:50 PM in reply to: #3308446 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! jsiegs - 2011-01-19 10:06 AM Another question for you long course guys - would you ever consider 2 fits - an agressive short course fit and a more comfortable long course fit? Or is that just asking for trouble? I've flipped my stem for Oly compared to IM as I was working on my fit at the time. The Oly I did pace was high for watts I had for race. |
| 2011-01-19 7:51 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Master 3058 South Alabama | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Pretty good day although I felt really tired after swim this morning. Not an especially hard workout-more of a washed out feeling. ART session on my calf and hamstring. Decided to go on an easy run since it was such a nice day here. 6.45 miles with 2 miles at sub 7:30 (tempo) pace. First real intensity on the run since my hamstring and calf started acting up 6 weeks ago.. Felt good. Still going to keep intensity mostly Z2 on runs but will try to incorporate some intervals once a week. Randy |
| 2011-01-20 12:03 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Expert 937 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I got back to the training today after a couple of days off. I didn't go crazy and actually took it a little easy. I did my weekly 1 hr spin class and a 30 min brick treadmill run. My legs actually felt pretty good. The class is taught by Dan Cadriel who is a well know triathlete here in Phoenix. He finished the Rock n Roll marathon on Sunday in 3 hours and was at the gym today teaching spin class. He's an animal. I'll be doing my HIM training program off of BT for the next 80 days or so until my first HIM on April 10th. I want to make sure I keep good consistent volume over the next couple of months. I'll drop down for my rest weeks but I would like to keep it at at least 7-10 hours a week of training. |
| 2011-01-20 5:15 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Extreme Veteran 490 London | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I got back yesterday from a few really long days away working in another office so pretty much unpacked and passed out asleep. Sleep debt is something I really need to work on. Today was a quick commute on the bike to the office which was great fun. I love blasting the cobwebs out with a solid commute. Tonight I'm still playing catch up on life stuff as been away for almost a week so training will be short. Trying to decide between a swim or an hour on the trainer. Swim will be fun regardless and the tri bike has been refitted so need to try that out again. decisions decisions .... Question: does anyone else commute by bike? If so, do you count it as training or just leave it as active recovery etc? |
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| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! GoFaster - 2011-01-19 8:19 PM Good day for me. An hour on the trainer this morning and then 45min in the pool at lunch. Question - at what point in your swim sessions does your form start to break down? Mine seems to happen pretty quickly and I attribute it to lack of endurance and not long enough sessions in the pool. Seems like a valid assumption to me, but will my form (and in turn my speed) improve by getting in extra yardage? So is it just a case of upping the distances a bit and the form will stay strong further into the session? I'm only now starting to get the sessions around 2400yds, although I may be able to squeeze in one swim a week that's over 3000yds. Have you done swim testing and set up zones based off your T pace much like VDot for running or power zones for the bike? When I first started doing that I realized I was mostly swimming similar pace and doing easy swimming to hard and hard swimming to easy. My guess your pacing for the intervals was a little off. Something to try is descending a set of 50s to 150s first do 3 then another time try 4 then 5. It is interesting as many triathletes have two or three speeds swimming. Could be your fitness and upping distances will help as well. |
| 2011-01-20 6:54 AM in reply to: #3308446 |
| Master 1779 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! jsiegs - 2011-01-19 9:06 AM Another question for you long course guys - would you ever consider 2 fits - an agressive short course fit and a more comfortable long course fit? Or is that just asking for trouble? We switched my bike over to a long course fit a few years ago and kept it there. I have been known to be a bit like the "princess and the pea" regarding my bike fit. Distance is my primary focus so there hasn't been a reason to switch it between races. Whenever I race a shorter course it is normally part of my everyday training for an IM. Fred, love the picture of you wearing the aero helmet in the basement! Only another triathlete would appreciate why we do some of the crazy things that we do. Things are starting to turn around after spending the first part of the week fighting allergies. I'm trying to ease back into things and not compromise my immune system this year. Bike/Swim/Aqua jog on the schedule today. 5k race on Saturday. It has been a long time since I've run in a 5k let alone a race. Running a 5k doesn't really seem to go with my plan to ease back into things though. It was on the schedule before the allergy problems this week. This is one of my favorite running races. |
| 2011-01-20 7:00 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! GoFaster - 2011-01-19 8:19 PMQuestion - at what point in your swim sessions does your form start to break down? For me usual after 3000yds as far as I can tell by my I'M pace.I do lots of long sets (500's). This year I have also focused on 200's in my workouts.If I can knock out a couple of 100's at IM pace (1:20) after 3000+ then I think my form is still solid. imo. |
| 2011-01-20 10:13 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Master 1411 Lexington, KY | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Busy at home and work so zero training T/W this week. Didn't like that, but it sure made today's run feel good. |
| 2011-01-20 10:18 AM in reply to: #3310373 |
| Master 1411 Lexington, KY | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Graycat - 2011-01-20 6:15 AM Question: does anyone else commute by bike? If so, do you count it as training or just leave it as active recovery etc? Hey Tim - I commute by bike, about 2.5 miles each way. I ride at a fairly easy pace, so don't count it as training in my case. Instead, there's a slot for commuter cycling in the BT logs under "Sports" that I use. I primarily do that to keep track of my mileage. It adds up to almost 1000 miles over the course of a year. Edited by wiky 2011-01-20 10:18 AM |
| 2011-01-20 12:59 PM in reply to: #3310421 |
| Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! KathyG - 2011-01-20 7:11 AM GoFaster - 2011-01-19 8:19 PM Good day for me. An hour on the trainer this morning and then 45min in the pool at lunch. Question - at what point in your swim sessions does your form start to break down? Mine seems to happen pretty quickly and I attribute it to lack of endurance and not long enough sessions in the pool. Seems like a valid assumption to me, but will my form (and in turn my speed) improve by getting in extra yardage? So is it just a case of upping the distances a bit and the form will stay strong further into the session? I'm only now starting to get the sessions around 2400yds, although I may be able to squeeze in one swim a week that's over 3000yds. Have you done swim testing and set up zones based off your T pace much like VDot for running or power zones for the bike? When I first started doing that I realized I was mostly swimming similar pace and doing easy swimming to hard and hard swimming to easy. My guess your pacing for the intervals was a little off. Something to try is descending a set of 50s to 150s first do 3 then another time try 4 then 5. It is interesting as many triathletes have two or three speeds swimming. Could be your fitness and upping distances will help as well. Thanks Kathy - couple extra questions. What do find to be a fair testing protocol to use for someone planning to swim 1/2 iron distance. And once you have your T-pace, how do you manage easy,moderate, fast? I assume moderate is going to be T-pace, but do you use a percentage to figure out how much slower or faster you should swim for easy or fast? |
| 2011-01-20 5:29 PM in reply to: #3311504 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! GoFaster - 2011-01-20 1:59 PM KathyG - 2011-01-20 7:11 AM GoFaster - 2011-01-19 8:19 PM Good day for me. An hour on the trainer this morning and then 45min in the pool at lunch. Question - at what point in your swim sessions does your form start to break down? Mine seems to happen pretty quickly and I attribute it to lack of endurance and not long enough sessions in the pool. Seems like a valid assumption to me, but will my form (and in turn my speed) improve by getting in extra yardage? So is it just a case of upping the distances a bit and the form will stay strong further into the session? I'm only now starting to get the sessions around 2400yds, although I may be able to squeeze in one swim a week that's over 3000yds. Have you done swim testing and set up zones based off your T pace much like VDot for running or power zones for the bike? When I first started doing that I realized I was mostly swimming similar pace and doing easy swimming to hard and hard swimming to easy. My guess your pacing for the intervals was a little off. Something to try is descending a set of 50s to 150s first do 3 then another time try 4 then 5. It is interesting as many triathletes have two or three speeds swimming. Could be your fitness and upping distances will help as well. Thanks Kathy - couple extra questions. What do find to be a fair testing protocol to use for someone planning to swim 1/2 iron distance. And once you have your T-pace, how do you manage easy,moderate, fast? I assume moderate is going to be T-pace, but do you use a percentage to figure out how much slower or faster you should swim for easy or fast? I do similar testing as to power...200 yds and I do 800 but 1000 yds would be good or better sort of depends on how fast you swim 800 or 1000 yds. You can calculate your T swim pace same way you calculate your CP for the bike. Do you have Skiba's first book? He has the zones as % for swim, bike and run in there and how it lines up with RPE. If you don't have it I can look it up for you. |
| 2011-01-20 5:53 PM in reply to: #3311504 |
| Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! GoFaster - 2011-01-20 1:59 PM Thanks Kathy - couple extra questions. What do find to be a fair testing protocol to use for someone planning to swim 1/2 iron distance. And once you have your T-pace, how do you manage easy,moderate, fast? I assume moderate is going to be T-pace, but do you use a percentage to figure out how much slower or faster you should swim for easy or fast? Hi Neil - funny - just this afternoon I received an article that outlines a series of benchmark testing protocols for sprint, Olympic, HIM, and IM swimming. They are similar to what I have done, but I have not performed any of the recommended tests exactly, so I can't vouch for them. They seem like a good starting point though: http://thesportfactory.com/site/trainingnews/Benchmark_Swim_Testing.shtml |
| 2011-01-21 12:14 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Expert 937 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Today I just had a 30 min run and 30 min swim. This Sunday I have a 2+ hour group ride which should be fun. I haven't done one in a while. Hope everyone had a great day. The weather here in Phoenix has been amazing. Mid to high 70's during the day and it was even really nice when I came out of the gym tonight about 10:30p. |
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